WHO'S AT FAULT?

[EDJ]

I HEAR THE SHIFT BEIN' BLAMED ON FOLKS, BUT WHO IS TO BLAME, THE OPPRESSED OR THE OPPRESOR?

IF YOU CLUELESS AS TO WHAT I'M TALKIN' BOUT, IS IT THE WHITEMAN, WITH HIS BIAS SYSTEM AND BIAS LAWS ,OR IS IT, THE COMMON MAN(MINORITIES, ESPECIALLY BLAK FOLK) WHO HAVE TO RESORT TO CERTAIN TACTICS IN ORDER TO SURVIVE IN THIS CAPITILISTIC SOCIETY, TO BLAME FOR WOES IN TODAY'S SOCIETY?

 

[m.w.merlino]

Hard question to answer, I blame it on the times, the wrong people are in control and this is the outcome of it, it will get better, Id like to see it happen sometime in my generation.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Who is at fault? For the black situation...white people. Who holds the power for the black situation to change? White people and black people. Who is the more powerful instrument of change in the situation? Black people. Who will really decide the fate of Black people? Black people.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

^^Not sure what you're getting at...somewhat ambiguous post...

 

[The Duke of Earl]

ok social were i see my own stand yeah we are on the rise but we aren't notice, i can't speak for latinos i can only speak for chicanos(and mexicans in the U.S.)you know we have it bad as blacks socialy , we have a struggle , my boy tells me "yeah we got it bad and are discriminated but we don't complain" do you think thats a good mind set? to say fuck it and accept it ,you know in a few years mexican will be the majority if latinos are the biggest minority then we will be huge in numbers what we need is to build on generations , we have to get money , we have to get involved in politics , law ,open buissneses learn and get an education . its up to us but it all starts with you and then the next man and raising a family right so your child could succeed,presonaly i don't know were im goin its hard not to say "fuck it i give up i dont care" and just stay negative

 

[Cmoke]

okay to answer your first question...."whos at fault?"

lemme tell you..

its the first stupid mother fucker who had to look at somone diff because of the color of his/her skin...

ill tell u now im white but i dont see the world in colors only faces...any racist shit will die out when the younger generation comes up and are the ppl runnin shit round here...

2pennies.

 

[2ill4u]

everyone fucked up. Everyone needs to fix it. I will know we are ina non-racist generation when we see a black pres/vice pres with a with pres/vice pres (shit or woman or latino. or whatever the fuck)

 

[Sydal]

What needs to be fixed is the whole "Blame whitey" attitude. I see it in a lot of cats, and I'll be damned if any muthafucka looks at me while thinkin that bullshit. If you wanna put the blame on somebody, find the relatives of those who started the bullshit to begin with, and blame them. A lot of cats go by skin tone, you know? Some cats don't look at me and think, "He's Italian, his family came to the U.S. in the 20th century and they have nothing to do with the brutal history of the U.S." No, they look at me and think, "Fuckin white boy"...
How is everything gonna change if these certain people want respect, but aren't willing to overlook skin tone themselves??

As for the current state of people of all ethnic backgrounds. Those living in poverty, can come out of it, it is in their hands. NOBODY can tell me I'm wrong. Look at these cats out here that came from NOTHING and have EVERYTHING now. You can be in professional sports, you can be in the music industry, you can start a law firm, you can become a doctor, be a journalist, a teacher, a professor, a psychologist...ANYBODY can do ANYTHING if they set their mind to it. The people that are struggling, are struggling because they're not doing anything about their situation...as long as you're breathing, it's never too late to do something.

I hear people shifting blame all the time on others, but I've seen cats from ALL backgrounds come up out of nothin' and get breaded, and live how they want, with no problems. It's all in how you put yourself out there and what you do with that brain you're born with.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

That's easy to say but alot harder to do...

I grew up broke, my family reached "middle class" through a few lucky breaks, but I've had friends and relatives I've seen who never had a chance. My homeboy was born addicted to heroin, one parent, got beat on by his moms man since he was young...homeboy went to the clink for the first time at 11 years old out in CYA.

Came back institutionalized...there wasn't shit he could do or say...his head was so fucked off in survival mode that all he knew was to fuck around with bullshit to get money. Now hes doin 25 wit a l, and all I can say is it's a damn shame. He never had anybody to model for him the right way to go, or what to do...junkie mom and no dad, exposed to violence daily.

The same thing happens with alot of low income kids, Black kids, etc. And being black and low income is a double hit against you becaue there are far more negative black models to follow than positive ones.

People say "Oh just get over it do what you need to do", but these kids have problems, major problems, with school. Most of them have been exposed to survival hormones that halt their brain development. Many were forced to grow up way too young, leaving no room in their brains for math or English...only room for "am I gonna eat", "is Mom gonna get high", "will I get beat", etc. Studies have shown that exposure to adrenaline stunts brain growth and processes needed to promote learning.

Many of them were never shown books or read to as youngsters. Believe it or not identifying things with words and letters is an actual skill that takes time to develop...they're exposed to unhealthy fast food diets that stunt their ability to run at full thinking capacity...and to top it all off all they see as black examples on TV are singing, rapping, basketball players. And then you tell them to just shut up and get over it...as if their situation does not burden them already.

 

[Sydal]

^^^^
Then you just answered the question of who's to blame, didn't you? If you're born a heroine addict, blame your parents, not the system. If you're role models are all thugs, blame your pops for not bein' there. If you're not being taught at home, blame your parents. People love to blame society, but the way kids turn out is strictly on their parents ability to be parents and to punish and reward children for their behavior.

Now, I'm not telling anybody to shut up, I'm just stating that I've seen people get out of that situation. My best friend was one of them. Even though he passed away, he was on the right track...he died in a car wreck so it had nothing to do with who he was as a person. His dad was sent to prison for 60 years, his mom was in prison for attempted murder, he was passed on from family member to family member, moving all around and not having a steady home or any type of role model...dude came from straight poverty, he had NOTHING!! I watched him educate himself, and set a path for himself, and this was when he was 11 and 12 years old. So I know it can be done, I've seen it. People that are negative, need to tell kids, "Don't be like me, make something of yourselves"...if cats would only do that and actually help our children, and if parents would start parenting, things would be so much easier. So, put the blame on the people that aren't helping like they should be. Don't blame the school system, blame the parents...feel me?

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

I agree with that...BUT I don't see how anyone can see all the agony and strife that alot of these people go through and then tell them "Ok, whatever, it's all on you! You better do good or it's 100 percent your fault!"

 

[Sydal]

I totally agree with you man.
You don't tell
them it's their fault, but their lives are in their own hands...they can go either way but it's ultimately their decision. My point is, if somebody is struggling and they don't have any way out of it, they can only blame those that were around as role models. Why blame people that had nothing to do with their upbringing? I grew up around thugs and drug dealers, but they NEVER taught me their way of life, they wanted me to do something with myself.

I've never told anybody it's their fault, but I will tell people not to blame those who had nothing to do with their upbringing. Feel me?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

The first three years of life are the most critical in human development. This should be common sense to everyone on this board since it is taught to us in high school. With this knowledge, you don't have to be Sigmund Freud to understand that children who live in poor communities probably don't have the same family structures as families in wealthier communities. From the start, the poor child has a disadvantage.

Next, we can examine the environmental factors that shape these children up to their early adulthood – poverty, under-funded schools, gangs/violence etc. When the school system you are in fails to teach efficiently and all you see around you is negativity, chances are you’re not going to grow up to be a doctor.

Once in adulthood; what kinds of jobs are available in poor communities? What about health insurance?

Now, you can study history and understand the reasons why so many minorities live in poor communities. (Remember people, it wasn’t that long ago when minorities could not vote.) Sure, there are a few very good examples of poor individuals rising from nothing and accomplishing great things...but not everyone is so lucky. They say, “You’re only as good as your parents” which, if you look at the numbers, is absolutely right.

Examine the top Ten Cities of 100,000 or More with Highest Percentage of Blacks or African Americans

Gary, Ind. 84.0%
Detroit, Mich. 81.6
Birmingham, Ala. 73.5
Jackson, Miss. 70.6
New Orleans, La. 67.3
Baltimore, Md. 64.3
Atlanta, Ga. 61.4
Memphis, Tenn. 61.4
Washington, DC 60.0
Richmond, Va. 57.2​

Hmmm, how come Beverly Hills isn’t on that list? Gary, Indiana? That’s a rich city, right?

Murder Capital of America – Highest percentage of blacks. Do you blame the blacks for this? Or do you blame SOCIETY for placing them there and keeping them there for so many years?

 

[Sydal]

I understand where you're coming from sixx, I really do. But, is it really society's job to make sure children grow up and learn not to kill each other? I'd still say, blame the parents for not instilling the morals into their children, and not teaching them right from wrong. Half of the problem these days could be, that you can't discipline your children like you used to be able to. You spank a child, it's child abuse, you yell at your child, it's verbal abuse...so in that sense, sure, society is really to fuckin blame in that aspect, absolutely. Major problem is, children are having children...and what do children know about raising kids? That could be a good thing to look into as well.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

And why are poor children having children? It didn't all of a sudden occur...it's been like that for years and years. Same shit, different date.

Have you ever seen photographs or videos from the 50's and 60's? Did you learn about what was going on during that time period and prior? You ever see pictures of blacks hanging from trees? Have you ever been to a ghetto? Have you seen the school systems? Have you ever taken a class on civilization and geography? Ever study human devotement? If so, it should be crystal clear that if you're born in Gary Indiana, the majority of people aren't going to raise the fuck up.

 

[Sydal]

That's what I'm saying, that shit needs to change. People need to start raising the fuck up, and taking control of their lives cause nobody else is willing to do it for them. Yes, I've seen pictures of hangings, and yes I've been to a ghetto a few times...I've seen people smoking crack in the middle of the day on the sidewalk in the Tenderloin. I've seen the schools, I know it's fucked up. I never said poor children having children is new, that's a MAJOR factor and has been for years and years, I know this. Maybe there needs to be a movement, maybe a new leader needs to come out of the woodworks. I'm talkin about somebody who will represent POVERTY, ALL RACES!! I've seen poverty from all sides of the spectrum, I know about it, I'm not an ignorant man.

I do all I can to help ANYBODY. If I see a homeless person, a REAL homeless person not just a panhandler, I will give them some cash or buy them food. Tell them everything will be fine, and that if they want the CITY, it's theirs. I've seen people in the dirtiest situations get a sparkle in their eyes because of something I said or did. That means, they know, there is a way, they just gotta find it.

 

[nefar559]

blame the markets for all of this

 

[The Duke of Earl]

All races, genders, etc. do not need fixing, friend. There is only one major group, the Blacks.

i disagree

 

[Cmoke]

i would respond but it appears as though some minds are locked into place, unable to break from their heartfelt anger and distress about somthing that is constantly changing for the better and can only get better if those people are willing to open thier mind and see tbat it is and will get better.....

as far as who to blame...
ask yourself these questions

why do we need blame?
time is of the essenace, u can do almost anything if u have the heart to back your brain...

why is blame set on white ppl who had nothing and want nothing to do with any of the shit those fools did so many years ago....im 20 years old

i have seen racism

i have seen reverse racism such as in most of these posts.....whiteboy this whiteboy that blame the whites and so forth


step back


think



realize that those ppl are dying now as the years pass


the world evloves and changes each day as time passes...

u control what happens...and so do everyone else...

instead of passing blame and asking questions like that maybe u should be asking the question how can we change this?
and i will tell u now that only time will change this, as the older generations of ppl who are ill minded enough to think that the color of somones skin has role in who or how that person is or does things

im a realist and i dont see the world in colors...over time after generations have come and gone finally we will not have to deal with this shit....

but that all depends on you...and the way u look at problems like this today

change for the positive rather than refelct negtitivly trying to figure out who is to blame...

passing blame helps no one

finding a solution to the problem and making it better helps everyone...

all i gotta say

pz

 

[DaytonFamily]

wanna know whats wrong with today? The whole blame someone else theme. Blame the parents, blame the gunmakers, blame the white man, blame the musican, blame the parents, blame the government, blame the president, blame him blame you blame her blame blame.............Thats all i ever hear when something goes wrong.Everyone looks to point there fucking finger at someone else and not stand and look at them self maybe admit to themself that its there fault, no instead they sit around and bitch.


And before 2-0 or Wd says i dont know how it is? from 5 years old to 11 i didnt live in one place for more than a month. And when finally did end up somewhere it was in flordia in some backwater fucked up town living in a trailer park with no tv no phone. My parents where addicted to meth and didnt give me shit. 7 years later here i am. Im not in prison for crimes, im not a drug out loser with no hope, Im a day time manager at a gas station whos taking night time classes almost rdy to get my high school diploma. I didnt turn into a crimnal, no one ever gave me a fucking hand out cause im white, i did it all on my own, no parents to ever give me shit or help me out. Whats at fault in this country is everyone is looking for there fucking handout and not taking care of themselfs.