Who Is voting for who on the siccness.
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@antonio916, epoxy, WestRumble What do you feel that Bush has that these other candidates don't have? In other words Why are you voting for him?
@BaSICCally, bigantdna3, jay deuce, krishna, Psycho Logic, Sergeant Hustle, Spitz What is it about kerry that say's let's vote for him? Seem's like kerry has the most support in the forums.
@J-Funk, SOAK::GAME, WHITE DEVIL How much can you tell me about the green party (don't know much about it) and why are you voting for them?
@2-0-Sixx, D-Locc60, nefar559 A lot of people say Nader is a throw away vote. Why you voting for him?
@BaSICCally, bigantdna3, jay deuce, krishna, Psycho Logic, Sergeant Hustle, Spitz What is it about kerry that say's let's vote for him? Seem's like kerry has the most support in the forums.
@J-Funk, SOAK::GAME, WHITE DEVIL How much can you tell me about the green party (don't know much about it) and why are you voting for them?
@2-0-Sixx, D-Locc60, nefar559 A lot of people say Nader is a throw away vote. Why you voting for him?
I don’t see it as a throw away vote. I would never vote Democrat or Republican. If Nader wasn’t running I probably wouldn’t vote at all.
My opinion is that it’s important to support an independent party and build for the future. I believe our most important objective is to break away from the undemocratic two party system.
Also, to all those who say I should vote Kerry because he’s better than Bush; I’m not a sell out. How can someone who is anti-war, anti-big business, anti-patriot act etc. vote for a candidate who is pro-war, pro-big business, pro-patriot act etc? There is no logic in the lesser of evilism. No real change can be made. Especially since the “anybody but bush” crowd has made NO demands on Kerry. No group has came forward and said, “Yes, we are supporting Kerry but we ask him to ______.” Because of these latte liberals Kerry has been able to veer sharply to the right, with absolutely no criticism from the liberals or the left.
My opinion is that it’s important to support an independent party and build for the future. I believe our most important objective is to break away from the undemocratic two party system.
Also, to all those who say I should vote Kerry because he’s better than Bush; I’m not a sell out. How can someone who is anti-war, anti-big business, anti-patriot act etc. vote for a candidate who is pro-war, pro-big business, pro-patriot act etc? There is no logic in the lesser of evilism. No real change can be made. Especially since the “anybody but bush” crowd has made NO demands on Kerry. No group has came forward and said, “Yes, we are supporting Kerry but we ask him to ______.” Because of these latte liberals Kerry has been able to veer sharply to the right, with absolutely no criticism from the liberals or the left.
To break from the two party system and build a workers party for the future.
If there were a Socialist candidiate capable of reaching the masses at the level of Nader, then of course I'd vote Socialist.
Socialists/Communist have been backing Nader in '04 and '00 and are largely responsible for the success of his campaign. We back Nader for several reasons. 1. He is the only candidate that is anti-war, anti-big business, pro-environment etc. (that has reached the masses) 2. By being active in Nader's campaign, socialist can use the publicity to spread our ideology to the already Left Wing Nader supporters 3. We can gain momentum for the future by building workers party 4. By having active Socialists participate in Naders campaign, we are able to sway a lot of decisions 5. Nader can reach more people than any current socialist running for prez
Many people who support Nader or will vote Nader, do not reflect any allegiance to his over-all program. They see Nader as a radical protest candidate and support him as the best way to express their anger and disgust with the Dems/Repubs. Many of these people are open minded and open to Socialist ideas. This layer of america is a target for the Socialists. We try to sway these people a little further.
Socialists use Nader as a tactic that Nader provides socialists a concrete platform to intervene in the elections, allowing us to engage workers and young people in discussions, meetings, rallies etc. and teach them about the class character of the two parites and the need to form a radical left-wing alternative.
"The ripple effects of the Nader campagn will extend far beyond the several million who may vote for him. Tens of millions wil listen to and sympathize with Nader, but feel compelled to vote for the "lesser evil" Kerry. Nevertheless, the seeds of radical independent politics will be planted, ready to take root and grow in the minds of millions as major events futher expose the Democrats and shake up workers consciousness."
If there were a Socialist candidiate capable of reaching the masses at the level of Nader, then of course I'd vote Socialist.
Socialists/Communist have been backing Nader in '04 and '00 and are largely responsible for the success of his campaign. We back Nader for several reasons. 1. He is the only candidate that is anti-war, anti-big business, pro-environment etc. (that has reached the masses) 2. By being active in Nader's campaign, socialist can use the publicity to spread our ideology to the already Left Wing Nader supporters 3. We can gain momentum for the future by building workers party 4. By having active Socialists participate in Naders campaign, we are able to sway a lot of decisions 5. Nader can reach more people than any current socialist running for prez
Many people who support Nader or will vote Nader, do not reflect any allegiance to his over-all program. They see Nader as a radical protest candidate and support him as the best way to express their anger and disgust with the Dems/Repubs. Many of these people are open minded and open to Socialist ideas. This layer of america is a target for the Socialists. We try to sway these people a little further.
Socialists use Nader as a tactic that Nader provides socialists a concrete platform to intervene in the elections, allowing us to engage workers and young people in discussions, meetings, rallies etc. and teach them about the class character of the two parites and the need to form a radical left-wing alternative.
"The ripple effects of the Nader campagn will extend far beyond the several million who may vote for him. Tens of millions wil listen to and sympathize with Nader, but feel compelled to vote for the "lesser evil" Kerry. Nevertheless, the seeds of radical independent politics will be planted, ready to take root and grow in the minds of millions as major events futher expose the Democrats and shake up workers consciousness."
I'm sorry but i think that's some ass backwards type shit.
Isn't this the same shit Nader is always crying about when people say they will vote for Kerry because he reps the lesser evil?
Many people who support Kerry or will vote Kerry, do not reflect any allegiance to his over-all program. They see Kerry as a redical protest candidate and support him as the best way to express their anger and disgust with the Bush admin.
Why cant the commies put out their own candidate with all those resources and people hours they are wasting on Nader to break from the two party system and build a workers party for the future? Why not support an actual socialist communist party that already exists and make it into a viable contender that gains just as much attention as Nader?
He's such a puss, i don't see how anyone that does anything more than talk about revolution could be down with him.
Nader =
Isn't this the same shit Nader is always crying about when people say they will vote for Kerry because he reps the lesser evil?
Many people who support Kerry or will vote Kerry, do not reflect any allegiance to his over-all program. They see Kerry as a redical protest candidate and support him as the best way to express their anger and disgust with the Bush admin.
Why cant the commies put out their own candidate with all those resources and people hours they are wasting on Nader to break from the two party system and build a workers party for the future? Why not support an actual socialist communist party that already exists and make it into a viable contender that gains just as much attention as Nader?
He's such a puss, i don't see how anyone that does anything more than talk about revolution could be down with him.
Nader =
Do you know the history of Socialist candidates in america in the last 100 years???
You sound like someone Lenin once described.
"Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder"
So what is your superior plan, CB? Should we boycott the elections, not participate in anything at all and just close our eyes and hope the revolution will occur when we open them?
Or perhaps we should support the Socialist candidate Walt Brown who no one in America has ever heard of and is on about 2 state ballots.
I think we have to be realistic here. A socialist candidate in America is not ready, unless they can magically get the resources and funding for a serious campaign. Until then, I think we have to build for the future, so that we can have our own candidate that can reach the masses.
1st of all Bush and Kerry are the only ones who have a chance to win. Kerry brings nothing to the table, but incredibility and stem cell research. IMO, Bush will keep us safer against terrorism and countries like North Korea and Iran. And bush has a strong and diverse team working under him. Thats why I say Bush over Kerry.
@ The one who feels Bush/Cheney profitted from being in power long enough. Your talking about oil of course. That shit is gettting old Jay. I guess you feel that our country doesnt deserve any of Iraqs oil? When we're the ones who are putting in the work, who shed the blood, sweat, and tears for that god damn country. I think we deserve something in return. Or would you rather have Saddam still controlling it?
@ The one who feels Bush/Cheney profitted from being in power long enough. Your talking about oil of course. That shit is gettting old Jay. I guess you feel that our country doesnt deserve any of Iraqs oil? When we're the ones who are putting in the work, who shed the blood, sweat, and tears for that god damn country. I think we deserve something in return. Or would you rather have Saddam still controlling it?