What up everyone. Im working on my beats trying to perfect them to my ideas but I am having a few problems. One is the actuall sounds im trying to throw down on my beats. I am having a hard time finding something to push the sounds out. I am currently reading and trying to learn more about crafting sounds but for the time I was curious if there are any synths out there with some presets that might give me what I want. I have been fucking with the Korg Legacy, Wave Station, Polysix and the MS-20. Some pretty good presets and such on them but not exactly what im looking for. If anyone knows of any thing out there that would help me on crafting my own sounds and just working with synths would help. Also I was wondering if anyone here has tried using a bass guitar as a midi controller?
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- Thread starter Mr.Sensi
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what exactly are you looking for? YOu can go the sound module route (proteus,mp7/mo phatt,5080) the workstation route (motif es,fantom x,xp60,triton) the sampler route (mpc 2000, asr-10, mv-8000) or the softsyth/vst route (acid,sample tank xl, mach 5, halion, reason, abelton live.)
"Also I was wondering if anyone here has tried using a bass guitar as a midi controller?"
?huh? With a guitar midi pickup? No.
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"Also I was wondering if anyone here has tried using a bass guitar as a midi controller?"
?huh? With a guitar midi pickup? No.
:hgk:
Well I would use mach five or sample tank if I were you. Mach five reads just about EVERY sound/sample format (akai,wav,aif, samplecell, giga etc etc etc).
Oh yeah look into giga sampler. I think if your looking for sound creation the best route would be giga, sample tank or mach 5. Th eonly thing I liked about programs like reason is the graphics. I mean you press the tab button and you can look at the wires, connect them etc etc etc. The program never did it for me...sequencer/arranger sucked and I had no way to record midi. This was reason 1. I don't know whats goin on now. You can use sample tank in pro tools and cubase. I never tried to use it in acid......
Oh yeah look into giga sampler. I think if your looking for sound creation the best route would be giga, sample tank or mach 5. Th eonly thing I liked about programs like reason is the graphics. I mean you press the tab button and you can look at the wires, connect them etc etc etc. The program never did it for me...sequencer/arranger sucked and I had no way to record midi. This was reason 1. I don't know whats goin on now. You can use sample tank in pro tools and cubase. I never tried to use it in acid......
"What about bass? The laws of physics work against using a bass to trigger a synthesizer; it takes so long to detect the pitch of low notes that tracking is extremely slow."
"The problem was it was not received well in the marketplace because of the long delay time it took the computer to figure out the note being played was a low "E" (for example) and send the correct midi stream to the synthisizer (the lower the frequency, the longer the delay). The low "E" on a bass is 42 hz. It never developed beyond that limitation."
"The problem with the other MIDI bass stuff is that it is only a frequency to MIDI converter. Since bass frequencies are so low, the time for one complete cycle of the sine wave is quite long, and since any frequency to MIDI converter has to read at least one full cycle of the frequency to tell what it is, there is a noticeable delay before the MIDI note is played. This is Ok if you only play MIDI sounds and can anticipate the timing."
Basically what this tells me i sthe latency is almsost INSANE. I guess it would be easier to do slides or bends but what about chords? My suggestion? Use a bass guitar for what it was intended for....But if you want to keep going you can try the vg-88, vbassgk2b, ax 100 or g-50. A pedal board might work for you but what exactly are you trying to do with the bass as midi controller? Trigger other instruments, record the notes as midi data?
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"The problem was it was not received well in the marketplace because of the long delay time it took the computer to figure out the note being played was a low "E" (for example) and send the correct midi stream to the synthisizer (the lower the frequency, the longer the delay). The low "E" on a bass is 42 hz. It never developed beyond that limitation."
"The problem with the other MIDI bass stuff is that it is only a frequency to MIDI converter. Since bass frequencies are so low, the time for one complete cycle of the sine wave is quite long, and since any frequency to MIDI converter has to read at least one full cycle of the frequency to tell what it is, there is a noticeable delay before the MIDI note is played. This is Ok if you only play MIDI sounds and can anticipate the timing."
Basically what this tells me i sthe latency is almsost INSANE. I guess it would be easier to do slides or bends but what about chords? My suggestion? Use a bass guitar for what it was intended for....But if you want to keep going you can try the vg-88, vbassgk2b, ax 100 or g-50. A pedal board might work for you but what exactly are you trying to do with the bass as midi controller? Trigger other instruments, record the notes as midi data?
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You have to use rewire, midi and route that to a track. It's solid on my end. I didnt waste my time installing the saple tank stuff that came with my digi 002r. I can use reason in pro tools, it's pretty easy (create a buss blah blah blah) but I don't want to fool with the app. It's a nice app but it's not for me. My setup is mostly hardware (which I prefer) and I like for my gear to integrate without installing this, patching that yada yada yada. Besides I would prefer pro tools with ACID running as a plug in 
@Sensi are you looking for READING material? If so Sound Synthesis and Sampling is what you should be reading. If you don't want to spend loot you should spend your time on google:
http://www.helsinki.fi/~ssyreeni/dsound/dsound
http://www.sonicspot.com/guide/synthesis.html
If you want a plug in/app for SYNTHESIZER type sounds (leads, pads, bass patchs) and not SYNTHESIZED sounds (sounds coming from modules, workstations etc) look for REAKTOR, ABSYNTH and V-STATION.
@Sensi are you looking for READING material? If so Sound Synthesis and Sampling is what you should be reading. If you don't want to spend loot you should spend your time on google:
http://www.helsinki.fi/~ssyreeni/dsound/dsound
http://www.sonicspot.com/guide/synthesis.html
If you want a plug in/app for SYNTHESIZER type sounds (leads, pads, bass patchs) and not SYNTHESIZED sounds (sounds coming from modules, workstations etc) look for REAKTOR, ABSYNTH and V-STATION.
Just curious what interface/box/pick up did you use to play the bass parts as midi?
Concerning your statement of "who plays chords on a bass? Or better yet, who would even want to?" I'll simply bore us all by answering your question
Concerning who plays bass chords: Freddie Green, Metallica, Jethro Tull, Aerosmith, Primus and Red hot chili peppers.
Resources/books/magazines for bass chords:
Big Ax
Bass Frontiers Magazine
Bass Player Magazine
Chord Bassics
All Blues For Jazz Guitar
Complete Book of Bass Chords
The repertory of chords for elecitric bass
Deluxe Bass Chords, Arpeggios and Scales
5 STRING BASS CHORD CHART
http://www.activebass.com/resources/revmain.asp?i=4483 <----pdf file
http://www.chordfind.com/4-string/ <----very good resource
http://www.rpsoft2000.com/music/bass-chord.htm <-------software
http://www.musicianuniversity.com/courses/easy_bass_chords_1.html <-------online courses
http://www.musicianuniversity.com/courses/5_string_bass_chords.html <------online courses
http://www.rockmagic.net/guitar-tabs/metallica/ <------can find all tabs for metallica. Bass included.
http://www.vt2000.com/basswork/chords/ <-----explains bass chords (even mentions metallica) and is great for n00b's.
Have fun people. :classic:
:hgk:
Concerning your statement of "who plays chords on a bass? Or better yet, who would even want to?" I'll simply bore us all by answering your question
Concerning who plays bass chords: Freddie Green, Metallica, Jethro Tull, Aerosmith, Primus and Red hot chili peppers.
Resources/books/magazines for bass chords:
Big Ax
Bass Frontiers Magazine
Bass Player Magazine
Chord Bassics
All Blues For Jazz Guitar
Complete Book of Bass Chords
The repertory of chords for elecitric bass
Deluxe Bass Chords, Arpeggios and Scales
5 STRING BASS CHORD CHART
http://www.activebass.com/resources/revmain.asp?i=4483 <----pdf file
http://www.chordfind.com/4-string/ <----very good resource
http://www.rpsoft2000.com/music/bass-chord.htm <-------software
http://www.musicianuniversity.com/courses/easy_bass_chords_1.html <-------online courses
http://www.musicianuniversity.com/courses/5_string_bass_chords.html <------online courses
http://www.rockmagic.net/guitar-tabs/metallica/ <------can find all tabs for metallica. Bass included.
http://www.vt2000.com/basswork/chords/ <-----explains bass chords (even mentions metallica) and is great for n00b's.
Have fun people. :classic:
:hgk: