what can artists do to help out themselves in the bay?

[radiostationrep]

what do yall think? imo they need to stop allowing anyone with money to feature them, present somebody, etc. to many wack ass cats that get heard because of whose on a project, who presented it, etc. enough is enough. just becuse some lame dude will give you $500 bucks to spit a verse even wack shit yourself because it isnt your project brings down demand. just cause some cat says hes releasing a project and wants you on it should you be on it? money makes the world go around, im very aware of that, but what benefit is it to your career? none. imo thats how the bay got flooded. real respected artists started selling out like so many do imo, and allowed it. so how is making radio friendly music to put paper in your pocket selling out? music doesnt make the person, the person makes the music. once yall get back to making good music and quit fucking with lames cause they got money, when i say lames im talking weak flows. then things imo will start to change. dont allow people to think there hot when there not. yall be the judge. artists need to come together in the bay and stop allowing this non sense thus creating more sales for you in the end. if a cat got talent hey, put him on. but if its just not good, tell them to keep practicing and save there money to buy cds. you cant stop people from releasing projects, but you can see where this is going. seperation is needed imo. real from fake. hot flows from wack flows. it goes hand in hand! im not saying people cant produce, cant be part of the team in no way. im just saying play your part and the bay can be heard once again. dont let hate and envy blind you. this is another subject feedback is appreciated. theres 10,000 members on siccness and im sure alot of those browse this bay area forum for the latest hot shit. thats a good start. thats more sales than anyone in the bay is getting and we have millions living here. create the movement! all these topics will merge in the end. thanks for all feedback ahead of time.

 

[mrmanish707]

and thats correct but......take a lil wayne he jumps on alot of garbage and kills them on it... which turns the attention to him...i feel that you shouldnt jump on garbage stuff... but if the songs has potential i think that you should... but you gotta kill the song... and you gotta take the first verse or even the chorus... anything to let your fans hear you... mac dre did it also. he jump on alot of trash but he killed it.

 

[radiostationrep]

you have a point.

and thats correct but......take a lil wayne he jumps on alot of garbage and kills them on it... which turns the attention to him...i feel that you shouldnt jump on garbage stuff... but if the songs has potential i think that you should... but you gotta kill the song... and you gotta take the first verse or even the chorus... anything to let your fans hear you... mac dre did it also. he jump on alot of trash but he killed it.

im not saying im right either. but i feel the artists considered best in the bay need to start taking the game back. less garbage product on the shelves means more sales for them. theres alot open for discussion.

 

[mrmanish707]

yea i feel you...though its like bay area artist jump on anything for money so its not anticipated to hear from them either.

 

[YungGung]

they gotta get paid some kinda way cd sales is pretty shitty out here and i doubt that it will change most people i know dont even know who half the artist out here is if they aint on the radio let alone go out and buy they shit

 

[radiostationrep]

yeah.

this is probably a touchy subject on this site. cd sales are slumpin because of all the product on the shelf. if music is your only hustle theres a problem.imo.

 

[BayRider04]

what the bay should do: make quality music

the end

 

[70SAV]

what do yall think? imo they need to stop allowing anyone with money to feature them, present somebody, etc. to many wack ass cats that get heard because of whose on a project, who presented it, etc. enough is enough. just becuse some lame dude will give you $500 bucks to spit a verse even wack shit yourself because it isnt your project brings down demand. just cause some cat says hes releasing a project and wants you on it should you be on it? money makes the world go around, im very aware of that, but what benefit is it to your career? none. imo thats how the bay got flooded. real respected artists started selling out like so many do imo, and allowed it. so how is making radio friendly music to put paper in your pocket selling out? music doesnt make the person, the person makes the music. once yall get back to making good music and quit fucking with lames cause they got money, when i say lames im talking weak flows. then things imo will start to change. dont allow people to think there hot when there not. yall be the judge. artists need to come together in the bay and stop allowing this non sense thus creating more sales for you in the end. if a cat got talent hey, put him on. but if its just not good, tell them to keep practicing and save there money to buy cds. you cant stop people from releasing projects, but you can see where this is going. seperation is needed imo. real from fake. hot flows from wack flows. it goes hand in hand! im not saying people cant produce, cant be part of the team in no way. im just saying play your part and the bay can be heard once again. dont let hate and envy blind you. this is another subject feedback is appreciated. theres 10,000 members on siccness and im sure alot of those browse this bay area forum for the latest hot shit. thats a good start. thats more sales than anyone in the bay is getting and we have millions living here. create the movement! all these topics will merge in the end. thanks for all feedback ahead of time.

Great post. It's my opinion that artists who do this kind of thing should branded as sellouts by the Hip Hop Community. To me it's a much worse crime to take money for featuring on a track that you KNOW is boo boo than to intentionally make records for the radio. And to be quite honest nowhere near as lucrative. I mean it's like comparing a high class escort to a crackwhore. Now I aint gonna lie... If a muthafucka offered me say 50 racks to feature on his track, then it aint a question, I'd spit. But there is no way I would risk my career or associate myself with a track or artist that I though was garbage for nickels and dimes.

Now as a producer I think It's a little different. A producers job is to bring the best out of an artist and I would attempt to work with anyone who could pay my fee. But If the end product was less than up to my standards I would feel obliged to inform the artist if I thought that he should go back to the drawing board and not work with him again until I thought his skills had improved.

 

[YungGung]

this is probably a touchy subject on this site. cd sales are slumpin because of all the product on the shelf. if music is your only hustle theres a problem.imo.

even if it wasnt hella shit on the shelf the bay dont really buy cds like that me personally i rap and all that but at the same time i buy majority of my cds if its from an artist i really listen to all that extra bullshit on the shelf aint really causin no problem cuz nobody buys that bullshit anyway

 

[mrmanish707]

Now as a producer I think It's a little different. A producers job is to bring the best out of an artist and I would attempt to work with anyone who could pay my fee. But If the end product was less than up to my standards I would feel obliged to inform the artist if I thought that he should go back to the drawing board and not work with him again until I thought his skills had improved.

thats what im talkin bout

 

[70SAV]

this is probably a touchy subject on this site. cd sales are slumpin because of all the product on the shelf. if music is your only hustle theres a problem.imo.

I think this mentality is one of the biggest problems in The Bay. IMO Music ain't a hustle it's a bidness. A hustle is something you can jump into without a whole lot of preparation to "hustle up" some quick dough to supplement your real income... hence the word HUSTLE. The reason why most cats think it's a hustle is due to the perpetuation of the myth that a lot of the early successful independent record companies were built overnight, when in fact many of them were funded by other means. Now I won't get into just HOW these companies were funded (although I will say that even the cash that was used to fund them was not made overnight), but... in the eyes of the uninitiated it most likely appeared that these companies popped up out of nowhere and began making tons of money in very short spans of time.

I believe that if this is your career of choice you should put everything you have into making sure that you are successful. You gotta live and breathe this shit on the real. I mean that if you're into music then theres no reason for you to be at the movies or the game on a Friday night. You should be at open mic night somewhere trying to showcase your skills. If your homies are into other shit then you need to find some new homies that are into music. If your girl aint supportive of your dreams now, then get rid of her cause she'll only get worse. Not to mention the more successful you become the more jealous she'll get. You need to figure out a way to get paid for your music so that you don't have to split your time between music and a day job. If you absolutely HAVE to work a day job then make sure the job you have is in some way related to music or furthering your career. I mean there's a big difference in being paid minimum wage as a bouncer or sound man at a club rather than being paid the same amount to flip burgers. Any job that will allow you to make contacts in the industry or further your skills is what you should look for. You need to make your life a hotbed of opportunities because the more opportunities you get the more chances you'll have to succeed. You need to spend all of your spare time on promoting yourself and stay in the studio and treat this thing like a true job cause it is. Nowadays theres just too many people vying for the same spots If you treat it like a hustle, you won't get anywhere and you can believe that...

 

[BFIWB]

You gotta live and breathe this shit on the real. I mean that if you're into music then theres no reason for you to be at the movies or the game on a Friday night. You should be at open mic night somewhere trying to showcase your skills.

quoting this powerful statement. i feel that 200%

 

[radiostationrep]

you know.

Great post. It's my opinion that artists who do this kind of thing should branded as sellouts by the Hip Hop Community. To me it's a much worse crime to take money for featuring on a track that you KNOW is boo boo than to intentionally make records for the radio. And to be quite honest nowhere near as lucrative. I mean it's like comparing a high class escort to a crackwhore. Now I aint gonna lie... If a muthafucka offered me say 50 racks to feature on his track, then it aint a question, I'd spit. But there is no way I would risk my career or associate myself with a track or artist that I though was garbage for nickels and dimes.

Now as a producer I think It's a little different. A producers job is to bring the best out of an artist and I would attempt to work with anyone who could pay my fee. But If the end product was less than up to my standards I would feel obliged to inform the artist if I thought that he should go back to the drawing board and not work with him again until I thought his skills had improved.

but in actuality most of these artists even the favorites are eating off nickel and dimes but know how to make it sound good. you can hear it in there production and free beats from soundclick . michael denton is out the question for the minor leagues. but then again the bay is a farm system for cats to polish up there game then hit the big leagues ala game.

 

[70SAV]

but in actuality most of these artists even the favorites are eating off nickel and dimes but know how to make it sound good. you can hear it in there production and free beats from soundclick . michael denton is out the question for the minor leagues. but then again the bay is a farm system for cats to polish up there game then hit the big leagues ala game.

Mike Denton is dope at what he does and very professional, as are a lot of other producers and engineers in The Bay, but they're a perfect example of why these artists need to change their ways out here. Mikes fees probably wouldn't be out of reach if he didn't have to raise them up as a means of survival.

See, with all these free beats and bartering going on he most likely had to raise his rates due to loss of income from what is basically scab labor. You got every Tom, Dick, and Harry out here giving away beats just to say they've worked with this artist or that artist. Thats money out of his pocket ya dig? Many of the most visible Bay Area artists are creating entire projects off of freebies from inexperienced amateurs and are refusing to pay even the ORIGINAL producers who they started with anything to create tracks for them.

The result is the junk that you've been hearing. You ever wondered why some of your favorite artists just out of the blue changed their styles for the worse? Well theres your answer. Some artists get the big head and think that it's all about them and that it doesn't matter who make their beats. Me? I'm a firm believer that hot beats inspire great lyrics and that a great track
can save mediocre lyrics but even the best lyrics can not save a bullshit track.
Anywayz... I gotz shit to do I'll get back later....

 

[fRESH88]

for the half of them that cant rap should just give up, the other half that can, just put out good music. quality over quantity