WHAT ARTISTS IN THE BAY CAN TURN SOME HEADS? GIVE PROS AND CONS.
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I can see why you would feel that way (based on others post on this forum) but it's not personal at all. Let me reframe what I said...you seem un-informed about artist in this reigion (but you might be from another market) and it wasn't a diss. If the moniker that you use is an tell on what you do as a prorfession then your input might be good for artist as-well as the average fan on insight into the mysterious radio station and its politics. But I didn't answer the question so...
*I agree with you on THE FRONTLINE. I really think that skill for skill they are one of the best groups in the country (and not just in the Bay). I think that they have the tools to make Big singles like Bang It, What Is It, Goin Down and When You Want It and they also have the Lyrics and the Chemistry to touch that audiance that wants to hear "Real Hip-Hop". They can reach the same audiance that the Lupe's and Kanye's can reach.They were beyond smart for staying as far away as they could from that Hyphy shit. They didn't get any of that Hyphy press, but them not being assoiciated with that might be one of their biggest assets. The CON on The Frontline is that they are from the Bay and the Bay DOES NOT support their future stars.
*My next artist would be Clyde Carson. I don't see him as an MC, but he is a damn good rapper and he has the "swagg" to seperate himself from alot of other up and coming rappers. He makes some really catchy universal songs that if promoted properly...they could make a dent in the game. His song "Balla (Young OG)" was seemingly geared to make a mark in the industry last year, but his label may have fumbled the ball. Clyde's going to make it if his label supports him. Clyde's CON is that he was apart of a group (THE TEAM) that was more beloved by his core audiance than he as a solo artist is. The other con is that, he to is from the Bay and he (and his endorsement of HYPHY Juice) had one foot in the Hyphy movement. He wasn't Hyphy, but his is always linked to it.
*Big Rich doesn't get enough credit for what he is capable of doing with the right production and promotion. His album was solid and his work on the "Unda Dogs" mix cd with Balance was some of the best Bay Area mixtape verses last year. "That's The Business" was a great record and with the right deal/promotion I can see him being able to pull a FAT JOE on the industry. The Con is (again) he is from the Bay and that he doesn't take his skills in rapping to topics that gets to far away from the "Murda Music".
*Jacka/Messy Marv are completly different in styles, but they can get the same kind of review. They are vet's in the Bay that never got their chance, but their music isn't considered "old". The kids fuck with them as-well as the older crowd. They make laid back gangsta/street shit, but they have the tools to make records for the ladies and clubs. This is what I think could give them the chance to break out of the Bay, because they are well traveled and savy enough to touch down in any hood...kinda like Jezzy (not rap style, but street presence). The CON is that they are trying to come out of the Bay and in Messy's case the issues with the law and "playin wit his nose". When on point he is one of the best in the BAy.
*FAB is the wild card of this bunch to me. He has ALL of the personality in the world. He makes people pay attention to him and he makes sure that you pay attention to him. He makes music that drives certain parts of this reigion wild and has even started to create an awareness of him in the South and East Coast. I honestly think his hustle to promote himself is textbook. The problem is his music is VERY regional and it would take a massive movement (like the Hyphy thing) to make people get what he is doing. Within context you can see what he represents, but taken out of the context of Hyphy one can take the air brushed clothes, lunch pails, yellow busses and funny faces as juvinile and childlike. He does have "N.E.W. Oakland" and "Supa Sik Wit It" but then he has records like "Hoola Hoop", "The Golf Man Dance" and "Shaboopalaboopi". This is a problem, because you never know what FAB your going to to get.
*If you took all of the "Hyphy Hype" and put it behind the artist I mentioned the Bay would be growing in power insteed of dying and having everyone asking, "what the hell happend to the Bay?". There are others like Quinn, Ya Boy, The Pack, Dem Hoodstars and J Stalin that I see fitting into the place of turning heads (Quinn and Ya Boy most notable) but it all comes down to getting that proper chance to showcase their talent and the right talent being showcased period.
*I agree with you on THE FRONTLINE. I really think that skill for skill they are one of the best groups in the country (and not just in the Bay). I think that they have the tools to make Big singles like Bang It, What Is It, Goin Down and When You Want It and they also have the Lyrics and the Chemistry to touch that audiance that wants to hear "Real Hip-Hop". They can reach the same audiance that the Lupe's and Kanye's can reach.They were beyond smart for staying as far away as they could from that Hyphy shit. They didn't get any of that Hyphy press, but them not being assoiciated with that might be one of their biggest assets. The CON on The Frontline is that they are from the Bay and the Bay DOES NOT support their future stars.
*My next artist would be Clyde Carson. I don't see him as an MC, but he is a damn good rapper and he has the "swagg" to seperate himself from alot of other up and coming rappers. He makes some really catchy universal songs that if promoted properly...they could make a dent in the game. His song "Balla (Young OG)" was seemingly geared to make a mark in the industry last year, but his label may have fumbled the ball. Clyde's going to make it if his label supports him. Clyde's CON is that he was apart of a group (THE TEAM) that was more beloved by his core audiance than he as a solo artist is. The other con is that, he to is from the Bay and he (and his endorsement of HYPHY Juice) had one foot in the Hyphy movement. He wasn't Hyphy, but his is always linked to it.
*Big Rich doesn't get enough credit for what he is capable of doing with the right production and promotion. His album was solid and his work on the "Unda Dogs" mix cd with Balance was some of the best Bay Area mixtape verses last year. "That's The Business" was a great record and with the right deal/promotion I can see him being able to pull a FAT JOE on the industry. The Con is (again) he is from the Bay and that he doesn't take his skills in rapping to topics that gets to far away from the "Murda Music".
*Jacka/Messy Marv are completly different in styles, but they can get the same kind of review. They are vet's in the Bay that never got their chance, but their music isn't considered "old". The kids fuck with them as-well as the older crowd. They make laid back gangsta/street shit, but they have the tools to make records for the ladies and clubs. This is what I think could give them the chance to break out of the Bay, because they are well traveled and savy enough to touch down in any hood...kinda like Jezzy (not rap style, but street presence). The CON is that they are trying to come out of the Bay and in Messy's case the issues with the law and "playin wit his nose". When on point he is one of the best in the BAy.
*FAB is the wild card of this bunch to me. He has ALL of the personality in the world. He makes people pay attention to him and he makes sure that you pay attention to him. He makes music that drives certain parts of this reigion wild and has even started to create an awareness of him in the South and East Coast. I honestly think his hustle to promote himself is textbook. The problem is his music is VERY regional and it would take a massive movement (like the Hyphy thing) to make people get what he is doing. Within context you can see what he represents, but taken out of the context of Hyphy one can take the air brushed clothes, lunch pails, yellow busses and funny faces as juvinile and childlike. He does have "N.E.W. Oakland" and "Supa Sik Wit It" but then he has records like "Hoola Hoop", "The Golf Man Dance" and "Shaboopalaboopi". This is a problem, because you never know what FAB your going to to get.
*If you took all of the "Hyphy Hype" and put it behind the artist I mentioned the Bay would be growing in power insteed of dying and having everyone asking, "what the hell happend to the Bay?". There are others like Quinn, Ya Boy, The Pack, Dem Hoodstars and J Stalin that I see fitting into the place of turning heads (Quinn and Ya Boy most notable) but it all comes down to getting that proper chance to showcase their talent and the right talent being showcased period.
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Dj pimp... We understand ap9 is your artist and everything which is coo n all BUT he is nothing remotely close to one of the best rappers in the bay. ARGUABLY not even one of the rawest in Pittsburg, CA. let alone the mob figaz...it goes jacka, ridah, hus, fed x, THEN ap...the nigga is coo but he's nothing exciting
you are on point.
very well spoken. you know your artists. you definately could help a camp. artists have trouble taking that kind of critism. there some names mentioned more than once by different individuals. thats a good start. we as fans and team players can do alot to help this situation if you can open your minds to the big picture. its about sales in the end.
real rich right on for not taking things out of text like so many can on the siccness. i feel you on alot of points and we agree about the frontline. you couldnt have put them in a more better perspective.
to all you guys in the industry with artists. yall are the reason they get heard. bay artists dont let someone manage them if they dont know what there doing. hopefully some real business relations get formed for the betterment of this bay movement as a whole.
very well spoken. you know your artists. you definately could help a camp. artists have trouble taking that kind of critism. there some names mentioned more than once by different individuals. thats a good start. we as fans and team players can do alot to help this situation if you can open your minds to the big picture. its about sales in the end.
real rich right on for not taking things out of text like so many can on the siccness. i feel you on alot of points and we agree about the frontline. you couldnt have put them in a more better perspective.
to all you guys in the industry with artists. yall are the reason they get heard. bay artists dont let someone manage them if they dont know what there doing. hopefully some real business relations get formed for the betterment of this bay movement as a whole.
For as much talent as we have here, we must just ahve some really shitty business practices. Or too many lone shark indie execs that dont want to see theyre best talent to to a major label. Seems like half the topics on the siccness are about the bay blowing, and noone ever does. Sure E40 has a deal but he never gets on the level of the hottest rappers during the time his albums come out. He creates some good sales but he never gets that flare of a kanye 50 even guys like jeezy and soulja boy.
Ive been a fan for a while i love bay music its part of my upbringing but nobody ever blows. It pisses me off and i dont know why.
I think if anybody has the chance to appeal to masses it is Frontline Jacka San Quinn Messy.
But i dont know if rap fans around the world really appreciate good rappers. I think they just take what pop culture gives them. I mean c mon Jay Z 5o cent these guys aint got shit lyrically on some from the bay. And noone has ever had shit on MAC DRE if he was put on a national stage everyone would love him. Too bad hes dead hopefully some of these other guys can do it. Doesnt look promising tho
Ive been a fan for a while i love bay music its part of my upbringing but nobody ever blows. It pisses me off and i dont know why.
I think if anybody has the chance to appeal to masses it is Frontline Jacka San Quinn Messy.
But i dont know if rap fans around the world really appreciate good rappers. I think they just take what pop culture gives them. I mean c mon Jay Z 5o cent these guys aint got shit lyrically on some from the bay. And noone has ever had shit on MAC DRE if he was put on a national stage everyone would love him. Too bad hes dead hopefully some of these other guys can do it. Doesnt look promising tho
im a ap.9 fan and ihave flipped 3 or 4 of his cds....body shotz head Shotz and the block were dope, and respect my gangsta had 4 or 5 slaps on it but he is repetitive and has kind of a boring flow and sometimes it seems like hes just reading lines with no emotion.... but i really respect his work ethic
to be honest the front runners now besides forty, bash, and short maybe i missed a name but they are lettin us down. not namin names u should already know. but to get big you gotta have a business since and i have worked with a few "names" that have none. dont care about business and just want to smoke, rap and drop albums. with that attitude we wont go no where. so im for mess, quinn, bailey, ya boy, carson, guce, and to be honest with the right push "vital" could do it too since we spoke about him on another thread. hes got a flow, bay mixed with chi-town. and you know whos certified too especially wit his new shit beeda weeda. to me it looks like frisco could lead the way.