Whale 'missing link' discovered

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By Helen Briggs
Science reporter, BBC News


The whale is descended from a deer-like animal that lived 48 million years ago, according to fossil evidence.



Remains found in the Kashmir region of India suggest the fox-sized mammal is the long-sought land-based ancestor of whales, dolphins and porpoises.

Research in Nature suggests the animal lived mainly on land but dived into water to escape predators.

Whales are known to be descended from land-dwellers but the "missing link" has been a mystery until now.

Although Indonyus, as it is known, looks nothing like the whales of today, it shares certain anatomical features.

The structures of its skull and ear are similar to those of early whales, and like other animals that spend a lot of time in water, it had thickened bones that provided ballast to keep its feet anchored in shallow water.

"We've found the closest extinct relative to whales and it is closer than any living relative," said study leader Professor Hans Thewissen of the Department of Anatomy at Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine in Ohio, US.

Hippo link

Indonyus belongs to an ancient order of mammals that had two or four toes on each foot. Modern day representatives of the group include camels, pigs, and hippopotamuses.




Hans Thewissen holding skull of Indohyus

DNA studies show that hippos are in fact closely related to modern whales. They do not appear in the fossil record, however, until about 15 million years ago, some 35 million years after the cetaceans originated in south Asia.

This led Professor Thewissen and his team to search for an older land-based ancestor that would fill in some of the gaps in our knowledge of the whale's dramatic evolutionary journey from land to sea.

After seeing loose teeth and fragments of jaw bones found by the late Indian geologist A Ranga Rao some 25 years ago, Professor Thewissen obtained rock samples from Rao's private collection. They harboured a treasure trove of complete Indohyus fossils, including skulls and leg bones.

Dietary clues


The stable-oxygen-isotope composition of its teeth suggest that the animal spent much of its time in water.

Some have assumed that the ancestor of whales first took to the water to feed on fish but the latest evidence suggests otherwise.

"The new model is that initially they were small deer-like animals that took to the water to avoid predators," Professor Thewissen told BBC News. "Then they started living in water, and then they switched their diet to become carnivores."

Although the behaviour and habits of Indohyus appear somewhat strange, there is a modern day parallel in the African mousedeer (chevrotain).

The mousedeer lives on land, but is known to leap into the water to avoid predators such as eagles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7150627.stm
 

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I was about to post this yesterday

The IDiots are not happy about it, you can go to Uncommon Descent and see their rants, it's pathetic
 
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HAHAHAHA, ISNT IT SUPPOSED TO BE WATER ANIMAL TO LAND ANIMAL...HOW IS IT THE REVERSE HERE - LAND ANIMAL TO WATER ANIMAL....IM REALLY SKEPTICAL ON THIS ONE AND SCINECE IN GENERAL NOWADAYS, THE RESEARCH IS AMAZINGLY SUSPICIOUS...PLEASE TELL ME THE NEXT THING THAT UNICORNS WERE REAL...

IDK MAN
How far did you make it in school? 9th? 10th grade?
 
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i love how they present this as 100% fact when there is no way to prove it. it very well may be true but they can never prove that and this article makes it seem that they have.
 
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HAHAHAHA, ISNT IT SUPPOSED TO BE WATER ANIMAL TO LAND ANIMAL...HOW IS IT THE REVERSE HERE - LAND ANIMAL TO WATER ANIMAL....IM REALLY SKEPTICAL ON THIS ONE AND SCINECE IN GENERAL NOWADAYS, THE RESEARCH IS AMAZINGLY SUSPICIOUS...PLEASE TELL ME THE NEXT THING THAT UNICORNS WERE REAL...

IDK MAN
i'll give you a hint. Is a whale a fish? or is it a mammal perhaps? idk
 
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HAHAHAHA, ISNT IT SUPPOSED TO BE WATER ANIMAL TO LAND ANIMAL...HOW IS IT THE REVERSE HERE - LAND ANIMAL TO WATER ANIMAL....IM REALLY SKEPTICAL ON THIS ONE AND SCINECE IN GENERAL NOWADAYS, THE RESEARCH IS AMAZINGLY SUSPICIOUS...PLEASE TELL ME THE NEXT THING THAT UNICORNS WERE REAL...

IDK MAN
whales are are not fish though , they're mammals like deer.
 

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he didn't say fish though. He said he thought animals originally lived in the water and then evolved into land animals, not land animals evolving into marine animals.
it has happened many times with many groups, terrestrial forms becoming aquatic, mammals are not unique
 
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BUT, ITS CRAZY ON HOW BIG THE WHALE GOT FROM SUCHA SMALL DEER LIKE CREATURE....I DONT KNOW SOMETIMES I WONDER ABOUT SCIENCE AND IM NOT A CREATIONISTS...SOME OF THE STUFF SEEMS MADE UP LIKE CRATIONISM STUFF
Just remember that the deer-like animal lived 48 million years ago. Sometimes it's hard to put that in perspective, but just think about how long you've been alive, then try to think how long 48 million years is. These changes do not occur over night.
 

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i can understand the land animal mamaal going back to sea AND BECOMING SEA MAMALL...BUT I THOUGHT THE WAY THE WHALE BECAME A MAMMAL WAS CUZ THEY WAS REGULARLY A FISH THAT COME OUT OF THE WATER AND FLY IN THE AIR, LIKE MAJOR MICHAEL AIR JORDAN HANGTIME, BREATHE A LITTLE O2 AND GET BACK INTO THE WATER...OVER TIME THEY DEVELOPED FORM FISH TO MAMMAL
WTF???

BUT, ITS CRAZY ON HOW BIG THE WHALE GOT FROM SUCHA SMALL DEER LIKE CREATURE....I DONT KNOW SOMETIMES I WONDER ABOUT SCIENCE AND IM NOT A CREATIONISTS...SOME OF THE STUFF SEEMS MADE UP LIKE CRATIONISM STUFF
Big whales did not appear until the eocene

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilosaurus

size is hardly a significant taxonomic and phylogenic trait to consider, size can increase very quickly if the environmental contraints are removed, which happened in whale evolution with the switch from terrestrial to aquatic lifestyle with abundant sources of food
 
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i love how they present this as 100% fact when there is no way to prove it. it very well may be true but they can never prove that and this article makes it seem that they have.
I was just about to say the dame thing. Some of these scientists and archaeologists pull st8 bs out their ass!!! Lay off the bathtub crank!!!
 
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i love how they present this as 100% fact when there is no way to prove it. it very well may be true but they can never prove that and this article makes it seem that they have.
If you think this is hilarious....


You should try reading this one book called The Holy Bible. It gots all these stupid people believing everything in it as well. Shit is stupid funny.

Go check that out if you have time. I am sure you are intelligent enough to NOT believe any of those "no way to prove" stories either.




You see how you set yourself up for that one there my child? It is so simple sometimes.


I was just about to say the dame thing. Some of these scientists and archaeologists pull st8 bs out their ass!!! Lay off the bathtub crank!!!
You must be the child that came from Cockton's sperm donation.



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If you think this is hilarious....


You should try reading this one book called The Holy Bible. It gots all these stupid people believing everything in it as well. Shit is stupid funny.

Go check that out if you have time. I am sure you are intelligent enough to NOT believe any of those "no way to prove" stories either.




You see how you set yourself up for that one there my child? It is so simple sometimes.




You must be the child that came from Cockton's sperm donation.



5000
you know you really are a piece of shit, there is going to be a special place in hell for you- have fun! merry Christmas
 

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I was just about to say the dame thing. Some of these scientists and archaeologists pull st8 bs out their ass!!! Lay off the bathtub crank!!!
I could not imagine that you can become dumber than what I've seen from you in the past but you do your best do prove me wrong each and every time you post:ermm: