West Coast vs. East Coast

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Aug 5, 2002
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You didn't think that Puffy came up with PHD (Player Hating Degree), or that Jay-Z created parkin' lot pimpin' (does that even exist in a place where you can't even drive cars?)? And I hope most know that Snoop by no means is a lingustical genius for his take on "fa shizzle my nizzle".


There has been a major problem occurring for the last five years, the Bay Area has been influencing rap with it's trendsetting talk, without proper representation by our own artists(with the exception of the ballatician his self, E-40), nor the recognition by those biting our shit.


I understand that we have the game is instilled in us like no other; I mean they did film The Mack in Oakland, Ca, that should tell you something. And I understand that the game is universal now, so it's not just for us. So when Biggie, took on the image of a player, and spoke on player haters, it was cool. B.I.G. recognized Too Short. When everyone ran around saying "fa sheezy", it began to get annoying. When Jay-Z spoke of "Parkin' Lot Pimpin'" (Vallejo, Ca group, Potna Deuce had a song by the same name in 1996) and "Big Pimpin" (Bay Area's, Kingpins Only had a song by the same name in 1995) I began to ask questions. And when someone from The Source said that Jay-Z's chorus for "Izzo" was influenced by Snoop Dog (The right answer being E-40) I knew there was a problem. But never did I imagine that it could get anymore blatant. When we got wind of Cam'ron's "Oh Boy", we couldn't believe it. A sickness began to develop in my stomach.


The song itself is tight, but what's up with E-40 getting on the remix, what's up with a shout out, showing some love to the originator? And what the fuck is up with making it a cologne? Like it's his creation, sorry dog, but anyone who's wearing that shit around me is getting socked, real talk! And to add insult to injury Cam's jackin' more of our shit, runnin' around sayin' "it's nothin' man, it's nothin'". That shit ain't cute. That's us, do you! You owe us an apology as well as some publishing checks or something. By my calculations Cam owes 40 well over a million dollars.


"Beyotch", "ya undadig", "ya feel me?", "ya smell me", "fa sho" (or any derivative of), "Pimp" (as in reference to someone), "Pimp Juice", "Pimp Soup" (not "Pimp Suit" you game goofy fucks, get it right. Stop trying to act like you know what they're talking about– don't be afraid to ask), Master P (now it's probably not something to take credit for but fuck it), independence, and a whole lot more shit are all products of the Bay Area. We were the first ones "Grindin'" but somehow all that has managed to mysteriously go overlooked by everyone, while Jay and his Roc-A-Fella boys, P Diddy, Swizz Beatz, and even Ushers gay-ass run rampant with our shit. And what's even worse is, they sound hella gay in the process of doing so.


And that's why we keep coming up with shit, as soon as you get a hold of it, we trash it and get the new, new shit. We stopped popping collars a long time ago, in fact it was in 1998 when San Quinn & Messy Marv came out with "Pop Yo Collar" and then E-40 brought it to a national level. Three years later, Jay-Z spits "...and pop my collar like the Fonz..." and he ain't talkin' about E-40 Fonzerelli.


To all those saying, "who cares, let it go." Fuck you! This isn't about getting our props for our past contributions to multi-platinum artist's songs or about at least respecting E-40 when you love Noreaga, and he really can't rap. Nor is this to brag about being light years ahead of the game. Consider this a warning, we've been cool thus far, but all that's about to end. We will no longer stand for muthafuckas biting our shit and have no problem acting an ass (we've proven that, why do you think they no longer throw rap shows in the Bay? Something happens at every single one. From sideshows to shootings, to Juve's chain being snatched on stage, to Lil Mo getting hit with a bottle in San Francisco, what happened to keeping it gangsta ma? Lol!)


The point is, give credit where credit is due, because since our rap scene is pretty much fucked, we have no problem ruining it for everyone else.


This is only the beginning...

Source - Ill Will
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I have seen this posted a few times already on the board and I agree with it to an extent.

As I posted a few bays ago, we folks in the bay have our own culture. We love fast ass classic cars and American cars, we also got folks riding rice rockets, we got our own slang, we got our own style of dress and talk. We got a whole subculture made up of thousands of people of all different races and cultures that are all down with the same shit. I tend to term our culture as "Thug" culture, not because we are all gangstas and thugs (because I sure as hell am not) but it is what I have been labled by people down here for being different.

And like I said before, its absolutely amazing the way we have shit locked here. Ive been to FL, Chicago, Texas, and am currently residing in SD and none are like the bay. Everything in these places is universal. It's as if everyone has been brainwashed by mtv and popular culture but us.

Now on the other hand, rap music started on the idea of sampling and blending various concepts together, including beats and slang. Bay rappers constantly use "ice" and various other eastcoast slang terms without consulting their inventors. At the same time, bay rappers are using the slang after it is widely known, where it seems as if "Oh Boy," "Bossin Up," and "Pimpin" were literally jacked from less known artists and used to catipult popular artists further and further ahead in the game.
 
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Cali Love said:
The point is, give credit where credit is due, because since our rap scene is pretty much fucked, we have no problem ruining it for everyone else.
That's stupid as fuck.

Trends from the West go East, and trends from the East have come West... Who gives a fuck. It's nothing to be crying about.
 
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bottom line, if its those phrases that are making all this cash then alot of artist in the bay would be on top, i see more bay artist sounding like east coast artist than east sounding like bay,look at how alot of artist rap now, it dont come from the heart and sounds like they trying to rap,also fools in the bay aint comming tight enough right now to take over the market i see maybe two artist from the west that are gonna get props and make things happen ,AOBIE GONNA COME THROUGH,DEFJAM WANT HIM SO DOES ARISTA ,STILL, HIS SHIT AINT BAY ITS OAKLAND, ALOT OF THE SLANG USED IN THE BAY IS FROM OAKLAND POPYOCOLLA BEEN AROUND SINCE LIKE 90-91,ITS THE SMALLER CITIES AROUND THE BAY THAT BE STEALING SHIT AND ACTING LIKE THEY STARTED IT SO ITS NOT JUST THE EAST COAST BUT PEOPLE IN OUR OWN BACKYARD TAKING SHIT,MOB MUSIC,THAT SHIT AINT NUTHIN BUT OAKLAND FUNK THATS BEEN WATERED DOWN,IF ANYBODY NEEDS RECK AND IS TO BE GIVEN PROPS ITS THE TOWN
AND NOT THE BAY CUZZ ALOT FOOLS FEED OFF OF IT
 
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I think we in the west coast steal east coast styles. Be real about it. I think the East Coast is be open to the West Coast Slang like we use East Coast styles and slang in our music. There is no copyright on a slang. Feel Me
 

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Even though I'm from germany I also think the east is stealing alot of them slang words from 40 water or other bay rapper.
 

B-Buzz

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Man people are just brainwashed thats all. When i moved to Chicago I still talked like I was in the bay and people didnt know what the fuck i was talkin bout. I always used to say oh boy and dizlle fizzle shit, and people would talk shit, then snoop and camron start sayin shit so eryone does. I see what you guys are sayin bout bein pissed about all our shit gettin stolen, but until someone from the bay does somethin bout it, its all gonna be an east coast thing, nothin we can really do about it but not listen. I mean I thought it was koo when I first herd people usin our slang, kinda privileged, but it gets outta hand after awhile
 

BASEDVATO

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I mean its double edged sword... I mean our slang is dope here, so people gonna pick up on it, just that we have no big artist in the mainstream, we get no credit

and for whoever said everyone is copying Oakland? you need to shut up, cause San Francisco and Vallejo, influenced music here heavy like!

E-40 is in the mainstream, but still people don't know of him, so i think artist need to spend a little more money on production, and really shoot for some radio shit... thats what 40 does, tracks with KC and JoJo and Nate Dogg... he knows how to make songs that'll get play nationwide, and besides him, not many artist are doing it, and if they are, not close to good enough quality to make it to that level

just my opinon