US & China, gearing up for war?

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Mar 9, 2005
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I've just been perusing the current news, and it seems that America is scared shitless that China has increased their weapons budget by 14% this year (however, it's still less than the US).

Roger Cliff of the RAND Corporation, a nonprofit that does many studies for the Pentagon, has recently released a written testimony saying, and I quote: "If the United States is to keep its qualitative military advantage over China, therefore, we will need to continue to develop and field systems that are significantly more advanced than the types currently in our inventory," which is essentially a request to further increase military spending, primarily in R&D in order to ensure they stay ahead of China.

Chinas military buildup is forcing the United States to revise plans for any showdown over Taiwan. US policy for decades has been to oppose any change to the cross-straits status quo by either Beijing or Taipei. Peter Rodman, assistant secretary of defence for international security affairs, stated that China's continuing military buildup "changes that status quo and requires us to adapt to the new situation".

President Bill Clinton sent aircraft carriers to the region, seen as one of Asia's most dangerous hot spots, after China fired missiles near Taiwan's main ports in 1996 in an attempt to sway voters in the island's first direct presidential election. Because of Chinas increase in military buildup on its coast across the 161km strait from Taiwan, James Thomas, a deputy assistant secretary of defence for resources and plans stated that to 'hedge any risk, Washington is weighing deployment of bombers to Guam "on a more routine basis" as well as boosting its naval presence'.

In July 2005 Major General Zhu Chengdu said China would be prepared to strike the United States with nuclear weapons if US forces stepped into a confrontation with Taiwan. Today, the United States strongly reaffirmed its strike-first policy of preemption.

It is definitely not serious yet, but if things continue and China is willing to deploy it's miliary with regards to Taiwan, then shit could escalate very quickly. The last thing this world needs is a battle between it's two superpowers. If that were to happen, I wouldn't be wrong in saying that we are all fucked.
 

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It is definitely not serious yet
So when does it become serious? When nukes fall on your dome? I am not saying to be paranoid, nor am I saying China is going to destroy america tommorow (so what if they did?) What I am saying is the threat and possibility is serious enough.

If that were to happen, I wouldn't be wrong in saying that we are all fucked.
Who is the "we" you make reference to? I've been telling people for years about these kinds of things and now that they are becoming a reality they are scared shitless (I am not saying you are scared shitless.) This may sound far fetched, but I have bigger fish to fry and couldn't care less about american cities being blown up. Babylon has commited every crime under the sun and now its time for payback.
 
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HERESY said:
So when does it become serious? When nukes fall on your dome? I am not saying to be paranoid, nor am I saying China is going to destroy america tommorow (so what if they did?) What I am saying is the threat and possibility is serious enough.
Pretty much. The situation is definitiely serious, but it's not critical yet. Theres still every chance that it can be worked out diplomatically. If Bush and Hu Jintao officially declare war, then it's beyond serious - just pre nukes-falling-on-dome stage.

HERESY said:
Who is the "we" you make reference to? I've been telling people for years about these kinds of things and now that they are becoming a reality they are scared shitless (I am not saying you are scared shitless.) This may sound far fetched, but I have bigger fish to fry and couldn't care less about american cities being blown up. Babylon has commited every crime under the sun and now its time for payback.
By we I mean the whole world, the global population. Nukes may not hit Australia directly, but the fallout will be severe, bringing to mind the potential for a 'nuclear winter'. I, too, have considered these scenarios possible for as long as I can remember, but possible and probable (or HIGHLY probable) are two different kettles of fish. I'm not scared per se, what will be will be, but I'd rather not die pointlessly if I can avoid it.

I definitely agree with you though - even if we did care enough about it to do something, what could we do? Besides, as you stated 'Babylon has commited every crime under the sun' so in some respects we deserve it, and the human population, nearing 7 billion, needs to be cut back a bit. I'm not talking about mass genocide or anything psychotic, but we're like a plague which is starting to kill it's host. Either we relax or we're all done for anyway.
 
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China is going to be a superpower whether we like it or not the question is whether or not they chose to act benign or be assholes. Right now most of South East Asia thinks they are going to be assholes and their governments back this up by allowing us to keep military bases, bombers and coast gaurds in their seas and territories.

If China attacks Taiwan all three countries lose.

This link is about American Nuclear primacy...good read if youd like to assess our capabilities against Russia or China.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html
 

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AND YOU ARE GOING TO POST THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS AS A CREDIBLE SOURCE???????????

WOW!

@Hutch you said:

Pretty much. The situation is definitiely serious, but it's not critical yet. Theres still every chance that it can be worked out diplomatically. If Bush and Hu Jintao officially declare war, then it's beyond serious - just pre nukes-falling-on-dome stage.
No it is not critical YET, but americas time is coming. Dipomacy talks will only stall the inevitable.

By we I mean the whole world, the global population. Nukes may not hit Australia directly, but the fallout will be severe, bringing to mind the potential for a 'nuclear winter'. I, too, have considered these scenarios possible for as long as I can remember, but possible and probable (or HIGHLY probable) are two different kettles of fish. I'm not scared per se, what will be will be, but I'd rather not die pointlessly if I can avoid it.
You can avoid this. Choose life. If not just accept death. This is not a case of possibility or probablity because america is on its way out. TIME is the only thing on americas side, but time waits for no man, and this country could get smashed tonight.

I definitely agree with you though - even if we did care enough about it to do something, what could we do? Besides, as you stated 'Babylon has commited every crime under the sun' so in some respects we deserve it, and the human population, nearing 7 billion, needs to be cut back a bit. I'm not talking about mass genocide or anything psychotic, but we're like a plague which is starting to kill it's host. Either we relax or we're all done for anyway.
Most of you are finished. It is sad to say this but its true.

On another note you don't even need to launch nukes at america to crush it. Cripple the currency and half your job is done. Set off a suitcase nukes in CALIFORNIA and you have rendered america ineffective.
 
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There won't be a conventional war or even one like you're seeing over in Iraq.

If both keep on their current paths, China will "win" and the U.S. win "lose" changing the balance of power in the world without direct military confrontation between the two.
 
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China has lots of people and if that makes people scared of them it dont matter because most of them are idiots you cant make so many minds and all of them smart. they are idiots
 

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CHINA IS GOING TO TAKE TAIWAN AND THERE IS NOTING TO DO BUT SIT BACK AND WATCH. IT WILL NEVER COME TO ANY CONFLICT BETWEEN THE U.S AND CHINA, BUT I DO THINK IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE U.S IS DONE, WE AINT WHAT WE USE TO BE AS A "SUPERPOWER" I DONT THINK IT WILL BE CHINA, BUT THE UNITED STATES WILL BECOME A BOMB SHELTER.
 
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HERESY said:
AND YOU ARE GOING TO POST THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS AS A CREDIBLE SOURCE???????????

WOW!

@Hutch you said:



No it is not critical YET, but americas time is coming. Dipomacy talks will only stall the inevitable.



You can avoid this. Choose life. If not just accept death. This is not a case of possibility or probablity because america is on its way out. TIME is the only thing on americas side, but time waits for no man, and this country could get smashed tonight.



Most of you are finished. It is sad to say this but its true.

On another note you don't even need to launch nukes at america to crush it. Cripple the currency and half your job is done. Set off a suitcase nukes in CALIFORNIA and you have rendered america ineffective.
would it be asking to much for more insight?
 

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DASICCLV702 said:



I THINK WE HAVE VASTLY LOST OUR INFLUENCE IN THIS WORLD WITH ALL OUR NUGIN IN ON EVERY LITTLE THING, WE ARE MORE A BAD ITCH OR/AND IRRITATION "NOW-A-DAYz". THAT IS THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, EVERYTHING HAS A START AND A FINISH, AND SOON IT WILL BE OUR, (UNITED STATEz) TIME TO TO FALL. WITH THE EU STARTING TO RISE AND BLOOM IT WILL CERTAINLY BE THE END OF US, THE EU WILL ONE DAY HAVE MORE POWER THAN WE WILL/WOULD EVER HAVE/HAD. THEY WILL NOT JUST BE A "SUPERPOWER" THEY WILL BE THE "POWER".
 
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Sicc Wid It said:
you got a point but i just dont think they that smart they ride bikes to work idiots
Sicc Wid It, sorry to say this, but your'e a fucking moron. You're trying to tell us that the Chinese are not as smart as Americans because they ride bikes to work? I can guarantee you that 99.9% of Chinese people are smarter than you!!!

China does have an awful lot invested in America - they own something like $800 billion dollars in US bonds. Because they've pitted the Yuan against the American dollar, that means that, unlike the rest of the worlds economy, the Yuan doesn't change value against the US dollar. Their government does this by giving the Chinese people more Yuan than they would get against a standard currency conversion of US dollars to Yuan that they would get normally, and this gives the Chinese government almost a trillion US dollars in their coffers. But instead of doing the stupid thing and trading it back to the US (which would make the US dollar value drop dramatically, which would subsequently result in a dramatic drop in the value of the Yuan), they 'lend' the money back to the US in the form of bonds. In other words, China already owns a significant part of the US and they can drop the tab at any moment, completely fucking up the US economy.
 

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Yeah sicc wid it said that shit knowing damn well he was jus cheating off a chinese kids math test last year to pass 7th grade pre-algebra.

I thought that first statement was retarded as fuck so i responded, then seen his witty retort and opted never to respond to him ever again.