Been writing hooks for other artist's a lot lately. Any u guys do it? What are your experiences? I just wrote a hook for a singer of mine, came out real tight...kina on some beyonce shit. Top track at www.Soundclick.com/Auditory . let me know your thoughts
U Guys ever Write Hooks for Other People?
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Pretty good track you have going on there.
Not that it matters, due to you asking if anybody ghost writes, because it seems like it was just your way of saying, "Listen to my track." And throwing it off a bit LOL!!!!!!!!
...but yeah, I do ghost write and have always had writing skills (wrote stories as a child and through school.) To the point that in high school, (instead of having the students pick a book,) the teacher actually sat & read a book I wrote long hand & the class did a book report on that. They liked me! They really liked me! LOL! :lick:
I honestly don't like my delivery when I rap, but if I could find somebody I could market, a couple of good producers, I'd lay in the cut as they say in the biz.
The problem is, it's either the rapper, producer etc. that falls from grace & loses focus on what the destination is. I've dealt with youngsters, older cats (thinking they'd have more wisdom,) family members and it just never seems to pan out.
But hey! I'm not bitter & no longer trying to be the rap star in the limelight. If a major signed me today to strictly be a ghost writer, I'd be content.
Not that it matters, due to you asking if anybody ghost writes, because it seems like it was just your way of saying, "Listen to my track." And throwing it off a bit LOL!!!!!!!!
...but yeah, I do ghost write and have always had writing skills (wrote stories as a child and through school.) To the point that in high school, (instead of having the students pick a book,) the teacher actually sat & read a book I wrote long hand & the class did a book report on that. They liked me! They really liked me! LOL! :lick:
I honestly don't like my delivery when I rap, but if I could find somebody I could market, a couple of good producers, I'd lay in the cut as they say in the biz.
The problem is, it's either the rapper, producer etc. that falls from grace & loses focus on what the destination is. I've dealt with youngsters, older cats (thinking they'd have more wisdom,) family members and it just never seems to pan out.
But hey! I'm not bitter & no longer trying to be the rap star in the limelight. If a major signed me today to strictly be a ghost writer, I'd be content.
i feel u, i do vocals myself. Both rap and sing/harmonize. But ive actually been enjoying writing for other people a little more. You definitely got to find people that are willing to adapt to your vision without throwing your idea off track too much. But if ur vision is hot they usually are pretty happy to follow suit with it.
what do u mean when u say the producer/rapper falls from grace and loses focus on what the destination is?
what do u mean when u say the producer/rapper falls from grace and loses focus on what the destination is?
Meaning the idea can be hot, but most people want things over night. It's a long process and a lot of people don't understand that. It's like they're down for it, but after awhile lose interest. Basically they want it handed to them & fail to understand that the independent artist has to really grind hard. Not expect the label to carry him.
A lot of artist have the 2Pac syndrome (almost 15 years later.) Proud to be labeled a thug, get a few tattoos & thinking because you did a little time, came out & signed to a label your automatically blessed with talent. The biggest difference is, 2Pac was actually talented. End of story.
I'm talkin' about those who really want to take that chance & truly shoot for the big steaks (majors.) Having professional photos, press kits, work an actual distributor etc.
That doesn't include iTunes due to the fact that "anybody" can do that now. And some people want to throw it around like their album being on iTunes is a big move, c'mon.
The way I personally see it is, a lot of independents are content with that & making a few underground videos that they call their "singles." In everyone's defense, it's all on how far each person wishes to take it.
A lot of artist have the 2Pac syndrome (almost 15 years later.) Proud to be labeled a thug, get a few tattoos & thinking because you did a little time, came out & signed to a label your automatically blessed with talent. The biggest difference is, 2Pac was actually talented. End of story.
I'm talkin' about those who really want to take that chance & truly shoot for the big steaks (majors.) Having professional photos, press kits, work an actual distributor etc.
That doesn't include iTunes due to the fact that "anybody" can do that now. And some people want to throw it around like their album being on iTunes is a big move, c'mon.
The way I personally see it is, a lot of independents are content with that & making a few underground videos that they call their "singles." In everyone's defense, it's all on how far each person wishes to take it.
That's just one of many ways to do it, but of course if the song is taking off on iTunes then it's easier to get that attention. ...but as an artist / label etc. never settle for one way of doing things. Knock on every door possible and never settle for one thing. I mean, just because an artist blew up off a mixtape, myspace, facebook, iTunes etc doesn't mean it will work for everybody that floods that market.
A lot of artist make it sound like it's a big move to put it on iTunes. Like it really takes a talent, or you have to go through them to get it. And pay a fee to some independents to get online distribution. When it reality, you can do it yourself out of your own home.
There are too many artist out there right now still wet behind the ears and getting ripped off.
The game is not dirty, the people who are shady are messing it all up and washing their hands with, "It's a dirty game..."
Naw, Bro them people are the dirty ones. The reason artist went INDEPENDENT is because the the majors were dirty & the independents decided to run their own shit to avoid getting ripped off by the majors. The independent game should be a safe place & and artist should unite and dominate, but there are too many egos, big headed people and straight con-men messing it all up.
And people like that just contribute to holding the independent game back. People want to collab etc and fools want to charge like they on some Jay-Z level, but in reality when their names are dropped on regular folkz they all go, "Who? I've never heard of him."
And no, I don't believe you have to spend money to make money. Been there, done that & it doesn't work. Spend money on yourself, get booked for shows out of state and spend a little to get out there (that's spending money to make money.) On yourself.
Paying for features only get's you one thing, bragging rights, but I have yet to see anybody that I know to blow up off a feature, or go on to sell as many units off a name.
A lot of artist make it sound like it's a big move to put it on iTunes. Like it really takes a talent, or you have to go through them to get it. And pay a fee to some independents to get online distribution. When it reality, you can do it yourself out of your own home.
There are too many artist out there right now still wet behind the ears and getting ripped off.
The game is not dirty, the people who are shady are messing it all up and washing their hands with, "It's a dirty game..."
Naw, Bro them people are the dirty ones. The reason artist went INDEPENDENT is because the the majors were dirty & the independents decided to run their own shit to avoid getting ripped off by the majors. The independent game should be a safe place & and artist should unite and dominate, but there are too many egos, big headed people and straight con-men messing it all up.
And people like that just contribute to holding the independent game back. People want to collab etc and fools want to charge like they on some Jay-Z level, but in reality when their names are dropped on regular folkz they all go, "Who? I've never heard of him."
And no, I don't believe you have to spend money to make money. Been there, done that & it doesn't work. Spend money on yourself, get booked for shows out of state and spend a little to get out there (that's spending money to make money.) On yourself.
Paying for features only get's you one thing, bragging rights, but I have yet to see anybody that I know to blow up off a feature, or go on to sell as many units off a name.
It varies, Bro. Just as long as you know that the money being spent is a power move to your benefit. Don't get blindsided by the good feedback etc. It causes you to lose focus on the destination. In other words, you start believing your about to blow up and decide to spend a whole lot of money in one place. And come to find out your not selling units like you thought you would. So you end up sitting on a box of a 1000 Cd's you thought you could flip in a months time. You find yourself giving out most of the copies & lie to yourself that it's for "promotion" purposes.
Yeah, yeah we've all heard of hustlers etc... I'll save the speech. Bottom line, the game has changed & people are not selling Cd's like they used to. Anybody that claims they are is a liar. I dare say the most copies sold off any independent on here is 3 to 5 thousand and that's giving them way too much for starters. Now do the math, when an artist on a major sells 63,000 copies and fails... that's great for independent money, but the point is that's from a major. So 3 to 8 thousand copies sold don't mean shit when you look at it from a blowing up point of view.
Start small, think big, make the big moves, don't believe the Homies & some people gassing you and most of all budget. The point is to make money (profit) & it's a lot easier to make a profit when you don't put too much in and work your way up from there. The hardest part of the game is marketing. Most artist etc. fail & focus on just making the money.
All of this is not facts though, it's simply my opinion on how I see it.
Yeah, yeah we've all heard of hustlers etc... I'll save the speech. Bottom line, the game has changed & people are not selling Cd's like they used to. Anybody that claims they are is a liar. I dare say the most copies sold off any independent on here is 3 to 5 thousand and that's giving them way too much for starters. Now do the math, when an artist on a major sells 63,000 copies and fails... that's great for independent money, but the point is that's from a major. So 3 to 8 thousand copies sold don't mean shit when you look at it from a blowing up point of view.
Start small, think big, make the big moves, don't believe the Homies & some people gassing you and most of all budget. The point is to make money (profit) & it's a lot easier to make a profit when you don't put too much in and work your way up from there. The hardest part of the game is marketing. Most artist etc. fail & focus on just making the money.
All of this is not facts though, it's simply my opinion on how I see it.
i read an interview with a a&r from bad boy and he stated that they (bad boy) spend a few hundred thousand dollars to promote a new artist and he also refferenced how the reality tv shows are so great for being able to expose new artists to millions of people. it makes me wonder how an independent artist (this day and age) without a few hundred thousand or a reality tv show can hit the masses like a bad boy artist???????
already. let me know what u think of this latest track i put up to www.Soundclick.com/auditory . hook i wrote on some neyo shit