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Jake

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the siccness is dead as hell lately to me,especially this forum (which is nothing new) so figured i would bring up something me and my boy were talking about...the discussion started with this statement from me which i honestly mean: "eminem is the most overrated rapper of all time"

in my opinion,he makes horrible albums using stupid voices and the celebrity of others to boost his own career...i think ppl get funny and talented mixed up when it comes to em.just cause he makes you laugh by rhyming words like wiener and poo poo,its doesnt actually make him a good rapper....discuss...dont argue...discuss (greg)
 
T.C

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over time his albums have gotten worse but that is only because he is at a point in his career where he is able to take risks in songwritting. i dont think hes the most overrated rapper....more like the most overhyped.
 
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T.C said:
over time his albums have gotten worse but that is only because he is at a point in his career where he is able to take risks in songwritting. i dont think hes the most overrated rapper....more like the most overhyped.
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yep, and hes also at a point where he doesnt have to put as much into his writing.


I still listen to his old shit once in awhile (Slim Shady LP, various appearances & freestyles) but hes just played out now. He could make a song where he just burps and farts for 5 minutes and everyone would call him a creative genius. D-12 is wack (Proof is cool) and it seems like hes stopped trying after 8 Mile was a hit. And that new flow he uses (lean back remix) is the opitimy of wack
 
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"And that new flow he uses (lean back remix) is the opitimy of wack"
the flow wasnt bad it was just the phony southern accent he put on it.

D-12 isnt that bad in my opinion...they just cannot escape shady's shadow...Proof is dope especially on the freestyle tip (an mc who actually goes off the top of his head when feestlying...unlike his caucasion counterpart).
 
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T.C said:
"And that new flow he uses (lean back remix) is the opitimy of wack"
the flow wasnt bad it was just the phony southern accent he put on it.

D-12 isnt that bad in my opinion...they just cannot escape shady's shadow...Proof is dope especially on the freestyle tip (an mc who actually goes off the top of his head when feestlying...unlike his caucasion counterpart).
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Proof and Kon Artist (i think thats his name ..) are the only ones i like from D-12.
 
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Its funny how a couple of years ago when I said he was overated, people called me a hater, said I dont know rap, called me ignorant, etc. But now, the things I was saying then are finally starting to come out and people are seeing my point.
 
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Technically he was and probably still is a tight rapper, his word play is excellent, his flows are sharp, his subject matter was something different

Now though, he repeats a lot, his subject matters are stale and the types of throw away silly songs he now makes suggests he is bored as fuck and should quit
 
Ry

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Good topic, lets try and keep this hate free....

I think he is talented lyrically. He needs to find some subject matter though. If he actually said something positive and political in his raps, he has a huge following and could reach a lot of people. I guess he's rather complain about whatever teenie bopper singer is popular at the time, or talk about Hailey and Kim in every damn song. The main reason I dont like him though, is his voice, and that he is a modern day Vanilla Ice. His whole purpose is to appeal to suburban white kids...
 
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i cant stand his hooks and the way he sings........his subject matter is garbage to me......his new flow sounds like hes rapping with his nose plugged......i bump a few songs from his old shit seldomly here and there i never have been a fan
 
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SiccFucc said:
the siccness is dead as hell lately to me,especially this forum (which is nothing new) so figured i would bring up something me and my boy were talking about...the discussion started with this statement from me which i honestly mean: "eminem is the most overrated rapper of all time"

in my opinion,he makes horrible albums using stupid voices and the celebrity of others to boost his own career...i think ppl get funny and talented mixed up when it comes to em.just cause he makes you laugh by rhyming words like wiener and poo poo,its doesnt actually make him a good rapper....discuss...dont argue...discuss (greg)
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exactly..man his voice is freakin' annoying i mean mine might be to others i guess..i ain't really gon' hate on him cause he's just tryna make a career like everybody in this world but i think he really does have what he started with..


~1~
 
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obviously he aint doing it like he used to, what rapper is? the mans dropped 4 albums, all of which went multi-platinum, i would imagine is hard too keep dropping great material without making it watered down after a while. but what i look at, back when he first dropped the slim shady lp, and was still freestylin, i think it would be safe to say that not one rapper wanted to go heads up in a freestyle with him. his material was fresh, word play was crazy, and could clown on you harder than anyone. back in his prime, i believe he was one of the best rappers there were. now his shit is kinda crazy, some might even call it whack, and i probably wouldnt argue that. but geeze, i dont think anyone could deny ole boy brought it back in the day. his freestyles had everyone going crazy, or at least that was my perspective on it. his 1st and 2nd albums are undeniable classics. is he over-rated now, probably. was he over-rated back then, imo, not at all. he deserved all the hype. my pennies
 
krishna

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I never bought any of his albums. I like listening to his freestyles, but from what I've heard from his albums I dont really feel the song concepts and subject matter, and I don't like his voice or the way he tries to sing in some of his hooks, I just can't imagine that shit bumpin out of my speakers.
He a good battle rapper though, I dont think he's overrated in that aspect. But as an overall artist I think he's very overrated.

Another thing to consider though is that he has had a huge impact on the rap industry. since he's a white dude he brought hip hop to a new level of popularity. Some people view this a good, since its making rap music more acceptable, and others view it as bad because you've got a bunch of rich white kids listening to rap cuz its trendy or something. I dont know how I feel about it..
 
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greedygreg209 said:
i think it would be safe to say that not one rapper wanted to go heads up in a freestyle with him. his material was fresh, word play was crazy, and could clown on you harder than anyone. back in his prime, i believe he was one of the best rappers there were. now his shit is kinda crazy, some might even call it whack, and i probably wouldnt argue that. but geeze, i dont think anyone could deny ole boy brought it back in the day. his freestyles had everyone going crazy, or at least that was my perspective on it. his 1st and 2nd albums are undeniable classics. is he over-rated now, probably. was he over-rated back then, imo, not at all. he deserved all the hype. my pennies
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Well Said Greg.
 
Mak Deniro

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yea Greg hit it on the head

He broke the mould, and back a few years ago nobody could fuck with him lyrically, he deserved his spot and he worked hard for it

he has lost his edge right now, genius has a shelf life, but he was burning bright for a hot minute
 
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ALOT OF PPL MADE ALOT OF GOOD POINTz I'D AGREE WIT....

AN ALSO NOW PPL CAN C WHUT KINDA MUSIC EMINEM MAKEz W/OUT DA DRUGz ( MOST OF'EM )....

I THINK DA DRUGz HE WAz ON AN DA SHIT HE WAz xPOSED 2 ON DA REGULAR PLAY'D A BIG PART IN HIz EARLY MATERIAL...

HE LEFT ALOT OF IT ALONE AN I GUESS HE DECIDED 2 TRY SUMTHIN NEW, AN HEz 1 ARTIST WHO CAN TAKE DAT RISK ( CUz ALOT OF HIz FANz DIDNT/STILL DONT KNO SHIT ABOUT RAP SO HE CAN STILL SELL ALBUMz CUz OF THOSE TYPE OF FANz... AN HEz BEEN ON TOP OF HIz GAME FRUM DA MINUTE HE STEP'D ON DA SCENE, SO 1 OR 2 ALBUMz CAN FLOP AN HE CAN STILL HIT DA PLATINUM MARK )....

BUT IF HE DOESNT BOUNCE BAQ ON DA NEXT ALBUM, HEz DUN ( IMO )....

ON ANUTHA NOTE THO, RUMORz ( JUS RUMORz ) R ESCALATE'N DAT HIz NEXT ALBUM WILL B CALL'D "THE FUNERAL" AN WILL HAVE 3 VERSIONz OF A SONG WIT DA SAME TITLE ( THE FUNERAL )...

SUPPOSEDLY SYMBOLIZE'N DA END OF HIz 3 PERSONALITIEz Az FAR Az RAP GOEz ( SLIM SHADY, EMINEM, AN MARSHAL MATHERz ).....

EITHA HE Iz GO'N 2 RETIRE FRUM DA RAP GAME OR HE Iz TAKE'N ANUTHA ROUTE WIT HIz MUSIC ( MAKE'N MO MUSIC LIKE HIz CURRENT ALBUM, OR TAKE'N ANUTHA ROUTE, MO DANCE/FUN/POSITIVE MUSIC )...

I DONT KNO HOW FAR HE CAN GO IF HE TAKEz DAT OTHA ROUTE, BUT U CANT DENY WHUT HEz ALREADY ACCOMPLISH'D Az AN ARTIST....

I RESPECT AN LIKE SUM OF DA THINGz HEz BROUGHT 2 DA GAME AN HAz DUN FO HIP-HOP...

BUT I ALSO DISLIKE SUM OF DA SHIT HEz DUN 2 HIP HOP AN DA RAP GAME ...

HIz LAS ALBUM WAzNT Az CLASSIC AT DA 1ST FEW, BUT HE HAD SUM SHIT ON IT DAT WAz WORTH A FEW SPINz, AN DA PRODUCTION Iz NEVA SOUR ......

HEz TALENT'D BUT NOT DA MOST OVER-RATED...

BUT WHEN HE 1ST CAME ON DA SCENE HE WAz 1 OF DA MOST UNDERRATED.....

YET AN STILL, HEz ALOT BETTA LYRICALLY DEN MOST OF DEEz CATz OUT HERE ( REGARDLESS OF RACE, DA SUBJECT MATT'R HE SPITz ON, AN WHUTEVA KINDA MUSIC HEz BEEN DROPP'N LATELY )...

-GEEzUz
 
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In my opinion I think he is still the best MC out right now. The shit he's best at doesnt sell. He has to adjust to the rap/hiphop game lyrically. Even though this last album wasnt so great its alot better than alot of that other shit thats out there. If havin tight lyrics was what u needed to have to sell records he definately be at top 3. I think that he would smash anybody up in the game if it was some written dissin shit. Face it! Nobody freestyle's anymore. Not shit that u really wanna hear. If any MC can take him out, it would be either Ras Kass or Kam and that's it. Anybody else would have to end their careers. Just listen to "nail in the coffin" & "the sauce".
 
Jake

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Face it! Nobody freestyle's anymore. Not shit that u really wanna hear. If any MC can take him out, it would be either Ras Kass or Kam and that's it. Anybody else would have to end their careers. Just listen to "nail in the coffin" & "the sauce".
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i disagree with your comment about nobody freestyling anymore,there are plenty of ppl that still freestyle out there,just not ones in the limelight like Em,underground hip hop will always have freestyling...and with that,i think there are plenty of rappers out there that could hang with Em in the battle but they will never get the chance...i want to see somebody like eyedea battle Em,that shit would be sick,cause eyedea has ripped everybody that is anybody in the underground....i dont know if i could take both of their annoying voices at the same time though,haha
 
Jake

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8FIVE8 said:
If havin tight lyrics was what u needed to have to sell records he definately be at top 3
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if that all you needed 95% of the albums that sell millions these days wouldnt see the light of day...and about 20 artists you have never heard of would be on a list over eminem.thats just the reality of it,as far as mainstream shit goes i would say that Em might be one of the better rappers out there,but as a bigger picture,he isnt doing anything special.he ruins his lyrics with HORRIBLE content and subject matter...so his lyrics mean absolutly nothing to me,cause i dont care about his family or who is on TRL this week...so the fact that he can rhyme something with hilary duff means nothing to me.even the songs i have liked from him he ruins with his obnoxious attempts at doing a chorus.he needs to stop trying to sing in that annoying voice and just having those corny as hooks all together.they have gradually got worse and worse and encore was just the pinnacle of them all....just horrible
 
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