Towers point to ancient Sun cult

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The Thirteen Towers constitute an ancient solar observatory

The oldest solar observatory in the Americas has been found, suggesting the existence of early, sophisticated Sun cults, scientists report.

It comprises of a group of 2,300-year-old structures, known as the Thirteen Towers, which are found in the Chankillo archaeological site, Peru.

The towers span the annual rising and setting arcs of the Sun, providing a solar calendar to mark special dates.

The study is published in the journal Science.

Clive Ruggles, professor of archaeoastronomy at Leicester University, UK, said: "These towers have been known to exist for a century or so. It seems extraordinary that nobody really recognized them for what they were for so long.



"I was gobsmacked when I saw them for the first time - the array of towers covers the entire solar arc."

The Thirteen Towers of Chankillo run from north to south along the ridge of a low hill within the site; they are relatively well-preserved and each has a pair of inset staircases leading to the summit.

The rectangular structures, between 75 and 125 square metres (807-1,345 sq ft) in size, and are regularly spaced - forming a "toothed" horizon with narrow gaps at regular intervals.

About 230m (750ft) to the east and west are what scientists believe to be two observation points. From these vantages, the 300m- (1,000ft-) long spread of the towers along the horizon corresponds very closely to the rising and setting positions of the Sun over the year.


When viewed from the western observation point, the Sun appears to the left of the left-most tower

"For example," said Professor Ruggles, "if you were stood at the western observing point, you would see the Sun coming up in the morning, but where it would appear along the span of towers would depend on the time of the year."

"So, on the summer solstice, which is in December in Peru, you would see the Sun just to the right of the right-most tower; for the winter solstice, in June, you would see the Sun rise to the left of the left-most tower; and in-between, the Sun would move up and down the horizon."

This means the ancient civilisation could have regulated a calendar, he said, by keeping track the number of days it took for the Sun to move from tower to tower.

Sun cults

The site where the towers are based is about four square kilometres (1.5 square miles) in size, and is believed to be a ceremonial centre that was occupied in the 4th Century BC. It is based at the coast of Peru in the Casma-Sechin River Basin and contains many buildings and plazas, as well as a fortified temple that has attracted much attention.

The authors of the paper, who include Professor Ivan Ghezzi of the National Institute of Culture, Peru, believe the population was an ancient Sun cult and the observatory was used to mark special days in their solar calendar.


A lot of attention at the Chankillo site has focused on what is thought to be a fortified temple.

Professor Ruggles said: "The western observing point, and to some extent, the eastern one, are very restricted - you couldn't have got more than two or three people watching from them. And all the evidence suggests that there was a formal or ceremonial approach to that point and that there were special rituals going on there.

"This implies that you have someone special - the priests perhaps - who watched the Sun rise or set, while in the plaza next door, the crowds were feasting and could see the Sun rise, but not from that special perspective.

Written records suggest the Incas were making solar observations by 1500 AD, and that their religion centred on Sun worship.

"We know that in Inca times, towers were used to observe the Sun near the solstices, which makes you speculate that there are elements of cult practice that go back a lot further," Professor Ruggles told the BBC News website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6408231.stm
 
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why are they labeled a sun cult? just because they paid attention to the sun? and how it moved throughout the year?

just curious....

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Good question. My guess is they have reason to believe these people actually worshiped the sun and viewed the sun as an actual god. Just a guess...
 
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Good post. It reminds me of a George Carlin piece.

"I've begun worshipping the Sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate."
-- George Carlin
 
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In Vedic culture there is also sun-worship. This does not replace worship of the Supreme Lord because it is understood that Lord Narayan is situated within the sun globe.

A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada said:
SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM 5.7.13


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ittham dhrta-bhagavad-vrata aineyajina-vasasanusavanabhisekardra-kapisa-kutila-jata-kalapena ca virocamanah suryarca bhagavantam hiranmayam purusam ujjihane surya-mandale 'bhyupatisthann etad u hovaca.


SYNONYMS

ittham--in this way; dhrta-bhagavat-vratah--having accepted the vow to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead; aineya-ajina-vasasa--with a dress of a deerskin; anusavana--three times in a day; abhiseka--by a bath; ardra--wet; kapisa--tawny; kutila-jata--of curling and matted hair; kalapena--by masses; ca--and; virocamanah--being very beautifully decorated; suryarca--by the Vedic hymns worshiping the expansion of Narayana within the sun; bhagavantam--unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; hiranmayam--the Lord, whose bodily hue is just like gold; purusam--the Supreme Personality of Godhead; ujjihane--when rising; surya-mandale--the sun globe; abhyupatisthan--worshiping; etat--this; u ha--certainly; uvaca--he recited.


TRANSLATION

Maharaja Bharata appeared very beautiful. He had a wealth of curly hair on his head, which was wet from bathing three times daily. He dressed in a deerskin. He worshiped Lord Narayana, whose body was composed of golden effulgence and who resided within the sun. Maharaja Bharata worshiped Lord Narayana by chanting the hymns given in the Rg Veda, and he recited the following verse as the sun rose.


PURPORT

The predominating Deity within the sun is Hiranmaya. Lord Narayana. He is worshiped by the Gayatri mantra: om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi. He is also worshiped by other hymns mentioned in the Rg Veda, for instance: dhyeyah sada savitr-mandala-madhya-varti. Within the sun, Lord Narayana is situated, and He has a golden hue.
 
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Good post. It reminds me of a George Carlin piece.

"I've begun worshipping the Sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate."
-- George Carlin
Nice Logic, but I could have easily flipped it and Said, I worship God, because I see him in every person's face. Since we are made in his image, we probably look like him, that is why I worship God and believe he is real. Through the faces of men and children, physical characteristics of the Face of the Father. That's one reason, either way, great answer.
 
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and about this whole sun thing.. i made a post that explained how everyone used to believe the sun was god.. and how all religions were formed from god's "sun"... but many later religions turned the sun into a human like character for their own benefit.. christians might recognize it now as gods "son" ... jesus... whose resurrection.. was .. way before christ.. just a solar eclipse.

i don't know if that makes sense.. i just smoked a fat bowl.. hopefully you can see what i'm tryin' to get at.
 
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|GOD|||ZILLA| said:
and about this whole sun thing.. i made a post that explained how everyone used to believe the sun was god.. and how all religions were formed from god's "sun"... but many later religions turned the sun into a human like character for their own benefit.. christians might recognize it now as gods "son" ... jesus... whose resurrection.. was .. way before christ.. just a solar eclipse.

i don't know if that makes sense.. i just smoked a fat bowl.. hopefully you can see what i'm tryin' to get at.
This notion that there is a connection between "God's sun" and "God's son" simply because the english words "sun" and "son" hold the same pronunciation is absolutely ridiculous. I hear this crap all the time. Try to remember that people didn't speak english in these ancient religious groups. So unless you can show the same similarity between "sun" and "son" in those languages, it is nothing more than a modern play on words.
 
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But I know people who seriously write books implying this sun-son connection. People who pose themselves as learned. For example, look up a lady who goes by the name of Acharya S. I even tried engaging her via her myspace page, but she very rudely dismissed my points.
 
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christians might recognize it now as gods "son" ... jesus... whose resurrection.. was .. way before christ
The Idea of the Son of God, or a messiah of God, predates Christianity, so why would it correlate to a reformed "sun" worship?
 
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The Idea of the Son of God, or a messiah of God, predates Christianity, so why would it correlate to a reformed "sun" worship?
They usually have other reasons to correlate sun worship with "son" worship. For example, Christmas falls on the winter solstice, which is seen as a "birth" of the sun. They also claim that right around this time various culture celebrated the birth of the sun god.
 
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According to the Jewish Calendar, Y'shua or Jesus, would have been born around Spring, From the months of March-October, I believe. Not December 25 though.
 
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As I showed in a previous post, sun worship is very much correlated with worship of the Supreme Lord, Narayan, in the Vedic teachings. And if one does some serious research, more and more connections between this Vedic culture and these ancient Mayans, Incans and Aztecs will be realized. The problem, I think, is that historians have conceived that all these various religious groups around the world in ancient times have no connection with each other. They speculate that people simply worshipped the sun because it was a big glowing ball in the sky that gave warmth.
 
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The Red Sin said:
According to the Jewish Calendar, Y'shua or Jesus, would have been born around Spring, From the months of March-October, I believe. Not December 25 though.
That may be true. These sun-son theorists usually use their reasoning to dismiss that a Jesus Christ ever existed. They are simply wasting their time, in my opinion. Too much speculation. And they are atheists from the get-go. So that taints their motivation.