u talk a lot about religion, are u a preacher or somethin, ur religion says spiritual what does that mean? U think u are hella smart when in fact nobody really knows what is the truth about why we are here. Are you a preacher or somethin? Where are you coming from with everything u are saying because u have a lot to say.
To Vyasadeva
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Whatever dog.. I aint a preacher, I aint on here tellin NOBODY what they have to believe, I aint tellin NOBODY to leave "Christianity", I aint doin shit but participatin in topics that other cats started which happen to deal with religion and spirituality.
A cat like me speaks on subjects I know about. Just like if there was a thread about mafiosos or whatever the fuck you know about, you would be qualified to speak on it.
As far as "what" spirituality is, that is too in-depth for a one sentence answer. Basically it is that which is unseen by the human eye, it is the underlying reality of existence, it is the superior energetic force which breathes LIFE into an otherwise inanimate material universe.
Hahahhaa you on one mayn. I NEVER said I am hella smart, and I don't even think that about myself.
As far as your statement that "nobody really knows what is the truth about why we are here", don't you see that *you* are putting *yourself* in the position of the ALL-KNOWING? You are saying that NOBODY can know the truth, well if that is true, then your statement is WORTHLESS because YOU can't know the truth either.
The truth is available for those who desire to know it. Smell that?
Naw I aint mayn fuck all that preacher shit. Is Heresy a preacher? Is miggidy? Is n9neWUN? Are you?
It all comes from the Vedas. All knowledge has its foundation in the Vedas.
And in case you aint noticed, I aint on here posting topics telling muthafuckas what to do or believe. I aint talking to myself. There are other cats engaged in discussion with me so I don't understand why you singled me out?
A cat like me speaks on subjects I know about. Just like if there was a thread about mafiosos or whatever the fuck you know about, you would be qualified to speak on it.
As far as "what" spirituality is, that is too in-depth for a one sentence answer. Basically it is that which is unseen by the human eye, it is the underlying reality of existence, it is the superior energetic force which breathes LIFE into an otherwise inanimate material universe.
Hahahhaa you on one mayn. I NEVER said I am hella smart, and I don't even think that about myself.
As far as your statement that "nobody really knows what is the truth about why we are here", don't you see that *you* are putting *yourself* in the position of the ALL-KNOWING? You are saying that NOBODY can know the truth, well if that is true, then your statement is WORTHLESS because YOU can't know the truth either.
The truth is available for those who desire to know it. Smell that?
Naw I aint mayn fuck all that preacher shit. Is Heresy a preacher? Is miggidy? Is n9neWUN? Are you?
It all comes from the Vedas. All knowledge has its foundation in the Vedas.
And in case you aint noticed, I aint on here posting topics telling muthafuckas what to do or believe. I aint talking to myself. There are other cats engaged in discussion with me so I don't understand why you singled me out?
@Vyasadeva
Whether he is interested in your knowledge or just to find you faulty I feel its due to the way you speak with authority. Before I had come as far as I have in spirit, I always had a sense of uncertainty and whenever I encountered someone who spoke with authority about their spiritual beliefs I would usually attempt to find fault with them, at first. So, I understand where he may be coming from. Although, I feel he could have approached you in a PM instead of making a thread exclusively for you. There is a man I worked with who was interested in my views but in the end, of course, he was extremely skeptical and could not conceive of any reality beyond the physical things before him. Nevertheless, he remained at my side asking and inquiring about my perceptions even after he would attempt to lecture me on the "truth" of physical existence. And even though he left my ship still as a huge skeptic, he pleaded that I let him have one of my books. He never read books before he met me, so I don't feel it was all in vain. If mrmafioso04 has anything in particular to inquire about your views it would be more productive to state them than to mkae such a non-specfic thread like this. Ask this cat what he is asking about in particular?...
Whether he is interested in your knowledge or just to find you faulty I feel its due to the way you speak with authority. Before I had come as far as I have in spirit, I always had a sense of uncertainty and whenever I encountered someone who spoke with authority about their spiritual beliefs I would usually attempt to find fault with them, at first. So, I understand where he may be coming from. Although, I feel he could have approached you in a PM instead of making a thread exclusively for you. There is a man I worked with who was interested in my views but in the end, of course, he was extremely skeptical and could not conceive of any reality beyond the physical things before him. Nevertheless, he remained at my side asking and inquiring about my perceptions even after he would attempt to lecture me on the "truth" of physical existence. And even though he left my ship still as a huge skeptic, he pleaded that I let him have one of my books. He never read books before he met me, so I don't feel it was all in vain. If mrmafioso04 has anything in particular to inquire about your views it would be more productive to state them than to mkae such a non-specfic thread like this. Ask this cat what he is asking about in particular?...
Good post, being tomorow is MLK day...
Your singled out because your message is DIFFERENT.
Once again I will ask...why did they kill Jesus? cause his message was different. It went against the grain so to speak. The same goes for Gahndi, MLK and JFK. Everyone is scared of the UNKNOWN. What they can't understand they fear. Why does religion hold such a high standard in humans lives, because it answers the UNKNOWN....why are we here, where do we go when we die, who created the universe, all the questions we as humans desire and seek.
Your singled out because your message is DIFFERENT.
Once again I will ask...why did they kill Jesus? cause his message was different. It went against the grain so to speak. The same goes for Gahndi, MLK and JFK. Everyone is scared of the UNKNOWN. What they can't understand they fear. Why does religion hold such a high standard in humans lives, because it answers the UNKNOWN....why are we here, where do we go when we die, who created the universe, all the questions we as humans desire and seek.
n9newun - I know exactly what you mean. I've had that same experience plenty of times. You might be right about this cat's motives, but the tone with which he addressed me leads me to believe he is either offended by what I'm saying (or how I say it), or he thinks I am talking with no foundation. I agree a PM would have been better.
Basiccally - You are on point. I don't mind being questioned about anything I say, because I know my view is very different from the norm, but this cat assuming that I think I am "hella smart", or that "nobody knows the truth" or that I am a "preacher" is just false. I'm just a cat involved in discussions like everybody else on here.
mrmafioso, do you have any specific thing you want to ask/argue/tell me about?
Holla!
Basiccally - You are on point. I don't mind being questioned about anything I say, because I know my view is very different from the norm, but this cat assuming that I think I am "hella smart", or that "nobody knows the truth" or that I am a "preacher" is just false. I'm just a cat involved in discussions like everybody else on here.
mrmafioso, do you have any specific thing you want to ask/argue/tell me about?
Holla!
O.K. lemme tell u where i was coming from:
I never even seen this forum, i come up in this forum and i see you writing lengthy posts on your views on life. I was high as fuck and on some other shit when i posted that shit.
I never said that i was all knowing, in my experience i have come to realize that everybody is in the same boat no matter who you are. I dont think that I know anything I am just intersted where you are coming with your views. I think that even if you claim you know about all this spiritual stuff and live your life by it, in the end you can never be sure. That is why there are many different religions and who can say one is better than the other when nobody really knows? That was all i was trying to get at i just came at you like that cuz i was kinda lifted....
I never even seen this forum, i come up in this forum and i see you writing lengthy posts on your views on life. I was high as fuck and on some other shit when i posted that shit.
I never said that i was all knowing, in my experience i have come to realize that everybody is in the same boat no matter who you are. I dont think that I know anything I am just intersted where you are coming with your views. I think that even if you claim you know about all this spiritual stuff and live your life by it, in the end you can never be sure. That is why there are many different religions and who can say one is better than the other when nobody really knows? That was all i was trying to get at i just came at you like that cuz i was kinda lifted....
How do you know what I am sure of? You say that you are not all-knowing but yet you just made another statement in which you claim to know that I can never be sure about what I know.
Do you doubt that 2+2=4? Can you ever really be sure that the equation is correct?
I understand your skepticism, but just like hunger in my stomach, I do not need outside confirmation of the knowledge I have.
First playa, religion is not about which one is "better". The purpose is simply to understand the Absolute Truth.
Second, you saying that "nobody really knows" is an absolute statement which implies that YOU know that "nobody really knows". Don't you see the circular nature of such an argument?
You keep telling me that no one can ever know what they claim to know. If that is true, then YOUR statement has no value because YOU can never really be sure either. Why should I believe that YOU know what you are talking about when you claim that NOBODY can ever really know?
Aiight.. No harm no foul mayn..
peace
Do you doubt that 2+2=4? Can you ever really be sure that the equation is correct?
I understand your skepticism, but just like hunger in my stomach, I do not need outside confirmation of the knowledge I have.
First playa, religion is not about which one is "better". The purpose is simply to understand the Absolute Truth.
Second, you saying that "nobody really knows" is an absolute statement which implies that YOU know that "nobody really knows". Don't you see the circular nature of such an argument?
You keep telling me that no one can ever know what they claim to know. If that is true, then YOUR statement has no value because YOU can never really be sure either. Why should I believe that YOU know what you are talking about when you claim that NOBODY can ever really know?
Aiight.. No harm no foul mayn..
peace
@ vy - dont let these cats put you on the defensive. if you offer an alternative view you will be attacced for it. many of these cats got their own agendas here anyway. in a way i think a few of these cats have a mission to define the philosophy of the siccness.
your mind is too wide open to quibble with the cats who think they have a corner on spirituality.
if you wish to tiff with these cats do it with a smile, i do. be entertained by the ridiculousness of those who choose to ridicule.
know that everyone that opposes you are those that want to proselytize others into their fear hysteria and closed mindedness.
the "ego" is their stumbling blocc. the truth hurts them. even if its at your own expense.
your mind is too wide open to quibble with the cats who think they have a corner on spirituality.
if you wish to tiff with these cats do it with a smile, i do. be entertained by the ridiculousness of those who choose to ridicule.
know that everyone that opposes you are those that want to proselytize others into their fear hysteria and closed mindedness.
the "ego" is their stumbling blocc. the truth hurts them. even if its at your own expense.
^^^ True indeed. Believe you me, this all slides off my back like a drop of water on a leaf.
Just like you said, I stay grinnin at all times, even when cats is talkin slick and spewin they brand of fear. I can tell you have real Self-realization, your words display a person with actual knowledge of Self and not simple speculation about things spiritual. When a cat factually tastes the nectar of experiencing that timeless spiritual reality, it literally raises his consciousness up to a level to where he can't even remember what it felt like to be mired in the dualistic trappings of the material world. Tasting that higher state of being results in a person who literally can't wipe the smile off their face because they have knowledge of the reality which is hidden to the mass majority.
Truth hurts but it also sets you free. Too bad so many cats would rather remain stagnated and trapped in their own preconceived notions and prior opinions than DROP the baggage of their hopes, fears, doubts, and expectations. It all boils down to sincerity.
Gone
Just like you said, I stay grinnin at all times, even when cats is talkin slick and spewin they brand of fear. I can tell you have real Self-realization, your words display a person with actual knowledge of Self and not simple speculation about things spiritual. When a cat factually tastes the nectar of experiencing that timeless spiritual reality, it literally raises his consciousness up to a level to where he can't even remember what it felt like to be mired in the dualistic trappings of the material world. Tasting that higher state of being results in a person who literally can't wipe the smile off their face because they have knowledge of the reality which is hidden to the mass majority.
Truth hurts but it also sets you free. Too bad so many cats would rather remain stagnated and trapped in their own preconceived notions and prior opinions than DROP the baggage of their hopes, fears, doubts, and expectations. It all boils down to sincerity.
Gone
dont ever get spirituality confused with religion.
Religion is an organization of folks who, on common ground of beliefs, seek spirituality. I choose to cut out the middle man.
Spirituality is an energy that once you stop looking for outside sources to complete you, you are able to look inside youself, your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and find exactly what you need to survive mentally n emotionally. To embrace you emotions, either negative or positive, and use them to your advantage.
To TRULLY be ok with who you are, good traits n bad. To remain humble and openminded.
Just my experience.You, like Vy said, can't define spirituality in one sentence, everyone's experience and growth with it is different.
The problem in religion is people stop allowing themselves to remain teachable and start getting their own twisted beliefs involved and start justifying them with religion. No war ever came out of spirituality.
Religion is an organization of folks who, on common ground of beliefs, seek spirituality. I choose to cut out the middle man.
Spirituality is an energy that once you stop looking for outside sources to complete you, you are able to look inside youself, your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and find exactly what you need to survive mentally n emotionally. To embrace you emotions, either negative or positive, and use them to your advantage.
To TRULLY be ok with who you are, good traits n bad. To remain humble and openminded.
Just my experience.You, like Vy said, can't define spirituality in one sentence, everyone's experience and growth with it is different.
The problem in religion is people stop allowing themselves to remain teachable and start getting their own twisted beliefs involved and start justifying them with religion. No war ever came out of spirituality.
i am not even trying to talk down on anbodys views, i do not understand why there are people in here calling me a hater or someone talks down. I am just confuzed why people see it as such a black and white issue. They think that the way that they believe is the way the world is and everybody else is wrong. When i read your posts on how u feel about religion it looked like you were trying to SCHOOL people on it and not just share your views. This is why i called you out like that. But i wasn't even trying to hate on your views because obviously i cannot change them. I am just another internet screename inputing my views. I am not trying to say that i know all i am trying to say that I know as much as everybody else and that is that we all know nothing.
I see where you comin from playboy, and since you explained your post, I don't think you were hatin, just statin your opinion.
Aside from mine or yours or anyone's worldview, there is something you keep saying which I'ma keep pointing out because it makes no sense.
You say that you do not know all, but then you say you know that ALL people know nothing.
You keep saying this same thing:
"Nobody can ever know the truth"
"In the end you can never really be sure"
"I know that we all know nothing"
Now the problem with what you keep repeating is that you are claiming that "None of us can know anything", yet you are presenting that statement as a fundamental TRUTH. If your statement is true, and none of us can ever really know anything, then *YOU* cannot know that what *YOU* are saying is true.
The very nature of your statement negates any truth value it might hold, because anything *YOU* say must also fall under the premise that "NO ONE can ever really know anything". Do you see what I mean?
This is seen to be false simply by our observation and experience of TRUTHS which can be KNOWN.
When you have a toothache, you KNOW it hurts and you KNOW you are feeling pain. When you are hungry, you KNOW it because the feeling and experience of hunger is undeniable. When 2 and 2 are added together, you KNOW that the sum equals 4. When you walk around, you KNOW that gravity is the unseen force which is holding you to the earth.
These are examples of truths which can be KNOWN. They establish the exact opposite of your claim, which is that "No one can ever really know the truth of..."
The truth of hunger is personal knowledge, and even though it resides WITHIN the individual and is a relative truth, it is nonetheless valid. And on the other hand we can see that the truth of 2+2=4, or the truth of gravity, points to the existence of an OBJECTIVE truth, which exists outside of our frame of reference, and is also valid. Objective truth means that 2+2=4 is true whether I am alive to know it or not.
I know you probably think this is just me trying to "school" you, but really I am just trying to show you that we actually CAN know things. I understand your skepticism of spiritual knowledge, but whenever you make the claim that "No one can ever know the truth", you are saying that *YOU* know the truth, and such a statement is contradictory and paradoxical.
Aside from mine or yours or anyone's worldview, there is something you keep saying which I'ma keep pointing out because it makes no sense.
You say that you do not know all, but then you say you know that ALL people know nothing.
You keep saying this same thing:
"Nobody can ever know the truth"
"In the end you can never really be sure"
"I know that we all know nothing"
Now the problem with what you keep repeating is that you are claiming that "None of us can know anything", yet you are presenting that statement as a fundamental TRUTH. If your statement is true, and none of us can ever really know anything, then *YOU* cannot know that what *YOU* are saying is true.
The very nature of your statement negates any truth value it might hold, because anything *YOU* say must also fall under the premise that "NO ONE can ever really know anything". Do you see what I mean?
This is seen to be false simply by our observation and experience of TRUTHS which can be KNOWN.
When you have a toothache, you KNOW it hurts and you KNOW you are feeling pain. When you are hungry, you KNOW it because the feeling and experience of hunger is undeniable. When 2 and 2 are added together, you KNOW that the sum equals 4. When you walk around, you KNOW that gravity is the unseen force which is holding you to the earth.
These are examples of truths which can be KNOWN. They establish the exact opposite of your claim, which is that "No one can ever really know the truth of..."
The truth of hunger is personal knowledge, and even though it resides WITHIN the individual and is a relative truth, it is nonetheless valid. And on the other hand we can see that the truth of 2+2=4, or the truth of gravity, points to the existence of an OBJECTIVE truth, which exists outside of our frame of reference, and is also valid. Objective truth means that 2+2=4 is true whether I am alive to know it or not.
I know you probably think this is just me trying to "school" you, but really I am just trying to show you that we actually CAN know things. I understand your skepticism of spiritual knowledge, but whenever you make the claim that "No one can ever know the truth", you are saying that *YOU* know the truth, and such a statement is contradictory and paradoxical.