Tim Wise speaks on Obama

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Mac Jesus

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"If you are incapable of mustering pride in this moment, and if you cannot appreciate how meaningful this day is for millions of black folks who stood in lines for up to seven hours to vote, then your cynicism has become such an encumbrance as to render you all but useless to the liberation movement." ~ Tim Wise

Read the full article:
http://www.racialicious.com/2008/11...icism-and-overconfidence-in-the-age-of-obama/

I thought some of you would be interested in this article, Tim wise usually has something good to say when it comes to race issues.
 

Mac Jesus

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What do you not agree with in the article...?

That Obama's election is a huge accomplishment for those who have been fighting for racial equality for the last xx amount of years or that white privelege is an issue that still prevails and that real change will not come through Obama but through people who are willing to do work outside of simply casting a ballot (ex. grass roots organizations).
 

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What do you not agree with in the article...?

That Obama's election is a huge accomplishment for those who have been fighting for racial equality for the last xx amount of years or that white privelege is an issue that still prevails and that real change will not come through Obama but through people who are willing to do work outside of simply casting a ballot (ex. grass roots organizations).

You speak as if what you listed is the only thing the article speaks of. However, the bold part is part of the problem.
 

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Well that's because if I had to sum up the article real quick I would say that's the main point. What do you think is wrong with average people working toward social change through various ways such as grass roots organizations, or challenging people on racial biases when we see them?
 
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calling obamas campaign a grass roots operation is ridiculous. While it is exciting to have a black president, that doesn't mean the man deserves abosolute praise of character/decision making skills. Many of his extreme supporters have lost sight of the fact that he is a politician. We have very serious matters that need to be tended to and that aren't necessarily race or who the white house dog bit. I almost never see anything discussing war and national security in this forum rather we argue about gay marriage and global warming. Lets not turn his presidency into a racial argument, rather lets focus on making the right decisions and making him keep his promises. So no, I dont agree with some extremist article declaring that anyone that doesn't put their whole faith under obama because of his skin color is a degenerate.

"yet insist that there is no difference between Obama and McCain, between Democrats and Republicans, between Biden and Palin: Screw you."
elegant speech right^?
"whose cannot appreciate what has just transpired are so eaten up with nihilistic rage and hopelessness that I cannot but think that they are a waste of carbon, and actively thieving oxygen that could be put to better use by others."
Sounds like someone else has a bent up energy full of nihilistic racial rage.
"But it matters nonetheless that he, and not the bloodthirsty bomber McCain, or the Christo-fascist, Palin, managed to emerge victorious."
bloodthirsty bomber mccain? The glories of name calling at the school yard, while journalism is nowhere to be found.
"It was a defeat for the internet rumor-pimps who insisted to all they could reach with a functioning e-mail address that Obama was not really a citizen. Or perhaps he was, but he was a Muslim, or perhaps not a Muslim, but probably a black supremacist, or maybe not that either, but surely the anti-christ, and most definitely a baby-killer"
Actually the internet rumor pimp who started a legal case for defrauding voters that was evidence of over lack of citizenship was actually a very famous attorney that before donated millions to HILARY CLINTON's campaign, he was and is a liberal.
"If we’re lucky, perhaps some will suffer the kind of crisis of faith that often prefaces a complete nervous breakdown. Either way, it’s nice just to ruin their Young-Earth-Creationist-I-Have-an-Angel-on-My-Shoulder day."
Ah quotes declaring that the opposition doesn't have the right to breather precious air and that also that he has the high hopes of mental trauma on his written victims.
" (which allows whites to still view most folks of color negatively but carve out exceptions for those few who make us feel comfortable and who we see as “different”)"
Ah the generalizing and stereotyping actions of a race, almost sounds like a racist quote. Almost.
"For we who are white it means going back into our white spaces and challenging our brothers and sisters, parents, neighbors, colleagues and friends–and ourselves–on the racial biases that still too often permeate their and our lives, and making sure they know that the success of one man of color does not equate to the eradication of systemic racial inequity"
Our white spaces? He absolutely is sure that black people don't share any racial biases. For we who are black its means going back into our black spaces... Doesn't sound too right.. hmm. So in short, I found Tim Wise arrogant, extremely bias and not too intelligently concerned with any foundations of real research and journalism. Extremist trash.
 

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While it is exciting to have a black president, that doesn't mean the man deserves abosolute praise of character/decision making skills. Many of his extreme supporters have lost sight of the fact that he is a politician.
This article is not giving Obama full praise, it even goes so far as saying that people have to make sure to hold him accountable

"No, it is not the same as victory against the forces of injustice, and yes, Obama is a heavily compromised candidate, and yes, we will have to work hard to hold him accountable."

It states that the only way true change will come about is from a "true social movement", something the article states obama's election was not.

"First and foremost, please know that none of these victories will amount to much unless we do that which needs to be done so as to turn a singular event about one man, into a true social movement (which, despite what some claim, it is not yet and has never been)."

bloodthirsty bomber mccain? The glories of name calling at the school yard, while journalism is nowhere to be found.
Remember Tim Wise is an anti-racist activist who writes blogs and gives public speeches on issues such as white privilege, notice how this article was posted on a blog. It was probably originally was posted on Tim Wise's blog, it's more of a rant then a journalistic article.

Actually the internet rumor pimp who started a legal case for defrauding voters that was evidence of over lack of citizenship was actually a very famous attorney that before donated millions to HILARY CLINTON's campaign, he was and is a liberal.
The Internet rumour pimp's that Tim Wise is talking about in this paragraph can be found all over youtube, the most popular of the video's is made by a group that condemns black liberation theology, and the liberation theologists of central america link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs. Ask yourself: Why have claims about John McCain being born in Panama not gained as much ground this claim about Obama (which was proved false)? Furthermore, I think Tim Wise was speaking to the various John McCain supporter videos such as those in ThaG's 'that's scarry' thread, who claimed with no proof that Obama was a muslim/terrorist/babykiller, etc.

Ah quotes declaring that the opposition doesn't have the right to breather precious air and that also that he has the high hopes of mental trauma on his written victims.
Again this is just a blog more of a rant, and it sounds as if he's again speaking to the overtly evangelistic christians that were claiming Obama is a muslim, not christian enough to run this country, etc.

Our white spaces? He absolutely is sure that black people don't share any racial biases. For we who are black its means going back into our black spaces... Doesn't sound too right.. hmm. So in short, I found Tim Wise arrogant, extremely bias and not too intelligently concerned with any foundations of real research and journalism. Extremist trash.
The reason Tim Wise talks about us going back to our "white spaces" is because it is the white race that benefits from 'white privilege'. "black spaces" doesn't sound right because black people do not benefit from something called 'black privilege'.
 

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Well that's because if I had to sum up the article real quick I would say that's the main point. What do you think is wrong with average people working toward social change through various ways such as grass roots organizations, or challenging people on racial biases when we see them?
The average person is misinformed, emotional and most likely uneducated when it comes to many things. Because of this, I can't put too much thought in the average person actually doing anything productive in the long run. It will turn into a case of "too many chiefs and not enough indians." While challenging people on racial biases is good, there are a lot of discrepancies when it comes to what one may see as a racial bias, so that can lead to a couple of problems. Finally, the grass roots organizations suck, and this country is far too warped, fucked up and fucked off to do anything remotely intelligent.

In short, we're fucked and there is nothing we can do but ride things out and hope/pray to survive.
 
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If Obama can mobilize Americans locally, that will be his greatest achivement.

Real change will never come through a government mandate.

If there were a streamlined system for community service/volunteering that made it extremely easy for people to work for their local communities and causes , that would be a cause for celebration.

Tax code changes and environmental reforms arent going to be seen as groundbreaking imo.