Thought this was Interesting (oakland, Ca)

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This is a Blog response I ran across addressing what happened in 2 Oakland area (I believe West Oakland) LIQ stores. There were Black men dressed in suits and bowties that went in and smashed all the liquor in the store and what not, do you all remember that? Anyways, this is what was said by this anonymous blogger:


"I can’t explain it, but I used to think that we blacks were seen as different from America in the eyes of the rest of the world. Naïve. I think the majority of the non-European world (Black, non-Muslim Africans may be the only one that is different) sees America as the great satan, or the evil-doers, etc, etc… and they see Blacks as Satan’s dog. When the Black Muslim defendant had a press conference he said that Arabs would be killed for selling that stuff in their homeland, but they come to America and go straight to the community that has the most problems, greatest challenges, and least resistence to their products. I thought that was well said. Anyway, these guys are now locked up . About 11 of them I think. They are not Farrakahn’s NOI, but a splinter group btw. The charge was vandalism, hate crimes, false imprisonment and, get this…TERRORISM!!!! Man, what has this world come to.

Do you know what they sell in “those” liquor stores? Not just liquor. As a kid, I used to wonder how it was legal. I was in third grade (the year Reagan was shot) when I tried to get my brother to help me burn the liquor store down that was close to our house. He told my mom. Bastard. She explained to me that I was right, but that I’d get in trouble… so she punished me by confiscating the gasoline (we used to get gas to mow lawns) and taking away the Atari (her embargo on Air-Sea Battle, Space Invaders, basketball, Missle Command, Pac-Man, and Combat effectively ended my revolution). To this day I still don’t understand how it’s legal to for one store to sell zig-zags, crack pipes, plastic baggies, hard liquor, the latest gang-related clothing, and smut.
As a kid who had a parent addicted to drugs and alcohol I was very conscience of what was going on. I couldn't believe the store was selling these things one and a half small blocks fom our elementary school.
These defendants are being reported as terrorists, linked to anti-semites, and terrorists. Yet, I’ve been bombarded the last few years with words like Insurgents, loyalists, radicals, and rebels to describe the Iraqis whoa re fighting against our the american military - the choice of jargon/nomenclature/wording is bullshit. "
 

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The people who followed Yusef Bey were an interesting group. One of his sons was actually organizing this. I see their logic, but they were going about it the wrong way. Bey's followers often contradict themselves.....they try to police the community but rape & molest women, they are anti-racism except when they are around people who are not black then they become racist as fuck, and they destroy liquor stores but don't address the problem of the community drinking the liquor......There are times that I admire what they do in & for the community and other times that I am completely appalled. I wonder how Yusef Bey's 239482379 kids are gonna be like.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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I see it as simple supply & demand...

If the Arabs didnt come in and peddle alcohol, crack pipes, and smut, the Chinese would. If the Chinese didn't the Indians would. If the Indians didn't the Russians would and so on.

I've known shop owners of every race, and though they sell alcohol, they don't create alcoholism.

I agree with much of the NOI attitude about what should be done in the community, the evils of alcohol, etc. But attacking shop owners isn't going to change the situation. That's like believing childhood obesity could be solved by burning down the Little Debbies factory.

The same with check cashing - I used to get my checks cashed because I owed money and my name was in Chex systems. Had there not been a check cashing place, I would have been SOL. I didn't blame the check cashing store for my problem.

In my opinion, the largest problem facing Black America that recieves third or fourth place is the attitude about children, commitment, teenage pregnancy, casual sex, marriage, and relationships.

Even among middle and upper class Black men there is still an abysmal marriage rate. Among other races, as the income level rises, the odds of divorce lower and the odds of marrying in the first place rise. The effect is much less pronounced among Black men. I believe that this attitude about sex, children, and marriage is the single largest problem facing black America today, even larger than alchohol.
 
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Do you know what they sell in “those” liquor stores? Not just liquor. As a kid, I used to wonder how it was legal. I was in third grade (the year Reagan was shot) when I tried to get my brother to help me burn the liquor store down that was close to our house. He told my mom. Bastard. She explained to me that I was right, but that I’d get in trouble… so she punished me by confiscating the gasoline (we used to get gas to mow lawns) and taking away the Atari (her embargo on Air-Sea Battle, Space Invaders, basketball, Missle Command, Pac-Man, and Combat effectively ended my revolution). To this day I still don’t understand how it’s legal to for one store to sell zig-zags, crack pipes, plastic baggies, hard liquor, the latest gang-related clothing, and smut.
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Nice thread.

As far as the gang related shit goes, the community must not care enough because if they did they would organize a boycott of these liquor stores that sell gang related clothing.
My own community organizes to send a message to the governor and the state by taking their kids out of school for a day, but don't do shit when the stores in our neighborhoods profit off of gang violence.

I'd be curious to find out what the original posters mother did to stop the liquor stores profiting from this kind of merchandise, after saying burning down the store was the right thing to do, but the repercussions weren't worth it.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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What could they do?

What should they do?

If there is a demand, it will be met, maybe not by this or that liquor store, but by someone. Blaming the liquor stores is like blaming the man who your girl is cheating with or vice versa.
 
Feb 7, 2006
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there is little to zero social capital in black lower class neighborhoods, this is the reason why detrimental businesses like the one the splinter group attacked can exist with no community outrage. Blacks need a specialized education system, as do every marginalized group, I feel.
 
Nov 24, 2003
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To this day I still don’t understand how it’s legal to for one store to sell zig-zags, crack pipes, plastic baggies, hard liquor, the latest gang-related clothing, and smut.

What does it say about you if you need/want to let one your peers dictate for YOU what you can and cannot buy or sell?
 
Nov 24, 2003
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I see it as simple supply & demand...

If the Arabs didnt come in and peddle alcohol, crack pipes, and smut, the Chinese would. If the Chinese didn't the Indians would. If the Indians didn't the Russians would and so on.

I've known shop owners of every race, and though they sell alcohol, they don't create alcoholism.


And as we have seen in the past, simply regulating things or limiting supply does not eliminate demand and therefore does not stop and often exacerbates the problem.
 
Feb 8, 2006
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Yeah that's it. Did you know the Det. Longmire they were talking about is from Vallejo?
I know a Marcel Longmire, and I think that's his brother. I watched the news and heard the phone conversations with him and the younger Bey, and if that is not a conflict of interest I don't know what is.