THIS IS WHAT I BEEN TRYIN TO TELL FOOLS!!

YOUNG VILLAIN · Feb 16, 2003

BIG OSO LOC said:

THANX OSO. THIS AINT BLOOD/CRIPS. THIS AINT ABOUT RED/BLUE. IT'S DEEPER THAN THAT!

I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY AGREED WITH THAT DAM, DAM, DAM POST. OR DID YOU JUST AGREE BECAUSE REESE HAD ARTIST UNDER HIS NAME. SERIOUSLY, ITS LIKE A FUCKIN TREND ANYTHING AN ARTIST SAYS, YA'LL AGREE. I REMEMBER THAT SHIT BY KIDD NORTH SAYIN HE WAS GONNA KILL HIMSELF. EVERYONE WAS TELLING HIM NOT TO UNTIL WOODIE RESPONDED AND THEN ALL THE OPINIONS CHANGED. ITS SICKENING, FOR REALS. SOME OF YA'LL WILL FEEL ME , OTHERS WON'T. I GIVES A FUCK.

c0rn brEaD! · Feb 16, 2003

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KODOGG · Feb 16, 2003

I dont see artists under your name.. I aint feelin ya.. LoL j/p.. I get where your com'n from.

LOOTER oF tHE NEW CHURCH · Feb 16, 2003

I dont think it has anything to do with being an artist in Reese's case cause honestly, more people in here know him as a G than as a rapper. Woodie has a more well established repertoire of released music under his belt so i see what you mean there. When I read Reese's reply I didnt even think once about the fact that he is an artist; tho I was aware it just didnt seem to play a role. When Woodie speaks in all honesty, I dont give him any more respect for being an artist but for his life experience instead.

HEAVYMETALGANGSTER · Feb 16, 2003

Reese spoke that as a homie not as a artist,cause first off as a artist no one will respect your flows if you try to come off gangster yet you have no street backing.
i respect Reese an woodie an artists like them cause one they put they shit out an dont try to come off as they bigger then anyone else.
look as jay z an them you dont see them on forums chattin with they fans.
i just hope if any rappers that come on here every do make it big,dont lose your bay styles ive seen to many artist let that bling an high life get to they head.
cause remember if you make it big always come back to the bay an help out other up commin bay area artist,dont charge them 1 million dollars knowin they aint got that kinda budget.

YOUNG VILLAIN · Feb 16, 2003

FUCK IT THEN, SCRATCH THE WHOLE ARTIST THING. THE POINT WAS WHEN A RESPECTED PERSON (IN THIS CASE AN ARTIST AND G) MAKES A POST EVERYONE SWITCHES UP THEIR OPINION/ACTIONS AND AGREES. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO REPLIED SAYING THEY AGREED WERE WHO THE POST WAS REFERRING TO. ITS JUST FUNNY TO ME!!

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Feb 16, 2003

i didn't even know he was an artist......
i dug alot of the shit people said on there though, xchango4, milpitas criminal, fc ene..... i thought they spit the real about that shit. i am just an everyday dood and if i feel strongly about a subject i will argue that shit all day. the only instance about the artist shit is, with woodie and oso, i respect them as eNe's. they know what they are talkin about in respects to norteno shit, so unless i think they have lost their wig and are speakin out of line, i generally agree with them. i don't think there has really been any more than like 4 time i have disagreed with shit woodie has said on here, not cause he is an artist. but i can definately hear you on what you are tryin to say matt, cause i have noticed it too. it's the internet, wouldn't look too much into it

BIG REESE LOC1 · Feb 16, 2003

Aint nobody said "hold hands".

1. The "truce" was only in Watts, so that aint all Crips and Bloods.
2. North & South is still killin up your own people, which is genocide, something that both sides preach against.
3. The North and South DO program on the same yards in some prisons..... PERIOD.

and fuck cause I have artist under my name, that dont mean shit, I'm stating what's real.

Legman · Feb 16, 2003

^^^^thatz why i can agree wit him....cuz he alwayz come off as a real mutha fucka...he statez sumthing...N either has proof/sumthing 2 show 4 it....

FC ENE · Feb 16, 2003

@ reese what is number 2 referring to?
cause that in no way could be referring to norte/sur.

cause I have never heard any sureno or norteno sides preaching not to kill the other side, cause they were our own people. Actually both sides preach the killing of eachother. plain and simple. on sight, not only if the other trips. If a scrap wont trip then, I am gonna let it be known its norte on mine and make him want to trip.

You know what I think you were talking on north/south crips right? just asking cause I am confused.

BIG REESE LOC1 · Feb 17, 2003

FC ENE said:

Let me break this down for you playboy.

Dealin with the PRISON gangs, they have codes they go by, street gangs also have a code that they go by. First you need to get the idea that a prison gang and a street gang are the same thing. Similiar codes, yet very different in alot of aspects.

I really dont want to expose game on here, cause I dont want these dont knows to latch onto some new info. All I can say is go fuck with some older Nortenos, some that have been thru the system in the late 60's throughout the 70's and so forth. They will tell you the real. Again I say dont listen to no hot-headed 20 somthing yr old fresh out of Y.A. Me, I grew up around Nortes most of my life, I been around the muthafuckas who was shapin and writing the "constitution" of what you are claimin. These cats was there as it was goin down, when the shit was poppin off, and they're names are still ringin bells throughout the prison system. Real veteranos, all in they late 40's to mid-50's. They aint runnin around talkin scrap this scrap that. Yea, they have let me know the whole deal with the North, and how it was set so that our folks up here in the North can walk the mainlines in whatever prison. I know some old southerners to cuzzo, in each one of these factions doctrines they have something that basically preaches preservation of the race. I assure you it dont say "Kill scraps on sight". Please....

Like I said, I dont want to expose to much game on you all, cause if you are real deal Nortenos like some on here claim to be, you would know this shit.

Hypothetically speaking, say the shit was sayin kill scraps on sight.....where all the murders at then? Cause I know all of you have seen a scrap at one point, why havent you risked your freedom, and taken the scraps life.....for the north?

FC ENE this is not a personal attack, I am just answering your question cuzzo. No disrespect whatsoever, but you asked, I'm answering. I got nothin but love for my Norteno brothers. I grew up with them, East San Jose all day. All I'm sayin is with so many folks that lost they life over this shit, and people who are really livin it In the SHU, and level 4's to firecamps....aint no need for some "kids" who just gettin in where they fit in cause they think its cool. I got alot of Norte homies that died and/or doing major time over these things, and I feel its being disrespectful to my homies, that in all actuality gave they lives, whether underground or life in prison, for this cause, and to have some fool mis-represent it.

I'm just givin the real, and it dont matter on what, Bloods, Crips, the North or the South.

Stay True homie

LOOTER oF tHE NEW CHURCH · Feb 17, 2003

BIG REESE LOC1 said:

all I know is "the race" is a very sketchy term nowadays because there are alot more non-Chicanos/non-Mexicans bangin in these gangs. I don't know what these documents say nor do I have any right to know but they would be out-dated if they assumed everyone on their respective sides was Chicano/Mexican... up north especially.

Steve · Feb 17, 2003

julian said:

Man, you ain't know what's up wit' that guys life and why he was suicidal....feel me?

BIG REESE LOC1 · Feb 17, 2003

@ Leader

I feel what you sayin, but thats with all "gangs". I'm speakin when shit was first being put on. Look at the times. Very turbulent civil rights times, self-empowerment era. In Prison RACE is big, will always be. Preservation of your own. Look at the Crips, that wasnt soley started up to "crip-walk", "kill bloods", and all that, it was based on something entirely different, you said the meaning of C.R.I.P. the other day on another post. that meaning didnt derive from preaching killing....feel me leader?

FC ENE · Feb 17, 2003

BIG REESE LOC1 said:

1. I think you meant to say real southerners dont say "kill chaps on sight, cause of course they aint gonna say kill scraps if that is a disrespectful way of saying southerner.

2. I dont take it as a personal attack, why you went out of your way to explain my question I dont know. I asked if number two were you meaning crip/blood or norte/sur, thats all I asked.

3. NO WAY IN HELL IS BEING AN ENE IN FRESNO COUNTY THE IN THING TO DO. THAT SHITS HILARIOUS TO ME, HOW THE HELL CAN ANYONE EVEN TRY TO MAKE THIS A POINT. WE OUTNUMBERED 10:1 OVERHERE.

4. come on now, I aint no vet or anything but I am 3 generations deep in this shit. you know the ppl in their 40's and 50's you speak on thats my uncles and dad and abuelito. I dont need shit exposed to me, I simply asked if you referring to crip/blood.

5 again I dont want n e body's respect from this board, it aint gonna help when I go outside so why bother. but I been to YA and to Wasco. now I admit I am still young and cant go around acting all veterano out but come on now where the hell did I ask you to expose shit you didnt say already, I asked you to clearify what you already said.

If you know any rips in Fresno ask them how us enes have it overhere. Ask the blue diamond crips them some straight ridas.
theyll tell you an unbiased account of our situation. the in thing dam dam dam, that is the furthest from the truth. shit gets me disgusted. fuck I am disgusted with that everyone and their mom want to be a mutt overhere.

I never said that it was a written rule to kill on sight, I said that it was an unwritten rule to funk on sight. shit you seen a crips and bloods album, youll never see a norte/sur album. that shit will never happen higher powers would handle that quick like.

and another thing I have a homie that just steped out of Salinas state after doing time in other institutions plus the real FC ENE carlos is in corcoran right now my sister can get into contact with him. All I am saying is I am 3 generations deep and have homies dead and doing time so in no way need to be schooled in anything, especially you, so comeon now all I asked was did you mean rip/ b-dawg, thats it answer it if you like if not just dont, either ways fine but dont write the rules of the game to me.

I aint mad just clearifying my point. stay up we all need help in this game.

BIG REESE LOC1 · Feb 17, 2003

Whoa....

FC ENE said:

1. Naw, I knew exactly what I was speakin on. When I made that statement.

2. I really didnt go out my way to explain, what I did tho, is make it a point to be real clear, obviously I wasnt cause this is a long ass post you threw up in reference to what you see as my extra verbage.

3. WHEN I SAID THE "IN" THING TO DO, I WAS'NT PULLIN COVERS ON FRESNO, SO WHY YOU GETTIN ALL DEFENSIVE? I WAS SPEAKIN ON EVERYWHERE. THATS HILARIOUS TO ME THAT YOU AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED I WAS SPEAKIN ON FRESNO, REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAY, WHEN YOU ASSUME, YOU MAKE AN ASS of U & ME. JUST HOLLA I WOULD HAVE CLRIFIED IT FOR YOU.

4. I aint exposing shit to you, cause since you 3 gens deep, you should be woke to this shit already. Again you lookin like you upset. I'm speakin on it all, not just on Crip/Blood shit.

5. Again it sounds like you mad about something, GO read my post, I recall me saying this aint no personal attack and it directed all at you. I clarified everything in what I saw was the best way to do it. Now the parts you didnt care to see, you shouldnt have read them. Just read the parts that pertain to me answering your inquiry.

There are a few Diamonds in SAN JO, so I will get at them and ask about your ever so present struggle against the "mutts". Since you want me to ask.

Crip and Blood album, Dam, how did we get back to talkin bout Rap? And I never did say FC ENE said kill scraps on sight, so why you takin shit all personal? Never say never, you never know who will be enlightened, look at whats happinin in the world. the world is bigger than California.

Writin the rules to the game? Ha Ha. Dam. About your homies steppin out of prison, thats a good thing. Hopefully they got some vocational skills, and some education while they was in there, so they can come out and be of service to thier families and loved ones. And your other folks up in Corcoran, ummm ok...and?

All that, to say what exactly? Let me know. I appreciate your honest feedback tho. I like havin these types of discussions. :classic:

HOGGLIFE · Feb 17, 2003

^^^^

SEE HOW QUICKLY SHIT GETS TWISTED ROUND HERE !

THAT WHY I LEAVE THESE TYPE OF THREADS ALONE .

FC ENE ID SAY REECE IS MORE ON THE ENE SAID OF THINGS FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM AT THE BBQ SO DONT TAKE HIS QUESTIONS AS OFFENSIVE BUT I FEEL WHAT YOUR SAYIN TOO

BOTTOM LINE THIS IS THE INTERNET WHO GIVES A FUCK

HEAVYMETALGANGSTER · Feb 17, 2003

@ FC ENE
CALM DOWN FOLKS U TAKIN SHIT WRONG WAY

FC ENE · Feb 17, 2003

I dont take things all serious, I guess reading back on my response I did sound like that, but like I said I didnt know if you were refering to crips and bloods? thats why I was asking for clearification. and boom I get "blanket statement'' about shit I know.

And what I said that I get annoyed when I read that ppl say others join ene cause its the in thing, but thats totally my problem cause the in thing here is Bulldogs. I didnt think you were speaking on Fresno only, I knew not assumed you meant in generally, so I took it upon myself to state that that isnt the case here, far from it. And the reason I say my homies are locked up is cause I know what the consequences in this shit are. And I dont want you to ask the diamonds cause I want you to, but if you do ask that be cool cause then they can let others know that a Fresno county norteno is on the verge of being extinct, if its up to me it never will be.

maybe I was having a bad day earlier but I still stand with what I wrote, I aint new to this but fuck why bother here.
Just expressing my opinons and so are you so I aint mad, shit I been looking foward to your cd since it comes highly recommended.

I guess back to the thread, I have noticed that ppl jump sides once a artist or well respected person speaks on here. and there are far to many "real spit, real chop'' type of responses.

HEAVYMETALGANGSTER · Feb 17, 2003

THEN AGAIN NO ONE ON THESE FORUMS CAN JUDGE SOMEONE BY WHAT THEY WRITE,ITS ONLY UNTIL YOU'VE MET PEOPLE FROM THESE FORUMS AN SEE WHERE THEIR HEAD N HEARTS AT,THAT ANY OF US CAN SPEAK ON THEIR LIVES.YEAH SOME PEOPLE DO SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE NO CLUE,BUT AGAIN DONT JUDGE THEM BY A FORUM.
BUT THEIR ARE SOME PEOPLE ON HERE THAT ARE CLUELESS....
IM JUST SAYIN WHEN STUFF LIKE THESE ARE READ PEOPLE NEED TO REALLY READ THEM THROUGH BEFORE DROPPIN A RESPONSE.

THIS IS WHAT I BEEN TRYIN TO TELL FOOLS!!

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