The Troops(U.S.) Don’t Support the Constitution(U.S.)

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The Troops Don’t Support the Constitution
by Jacob G. Hornberger, October 10, 2005
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0510c.asp

Every U.S. soldier takes an express and solemn oath to “support and defend the Constitution.” That oath, however, is a sham because the troops do not support or defend the Constitution. Instead, when it comes to war the troops follow another oath they take — to obey the orders of the president, and they do this without regard to whether such orders violate the Constitution.

A textbook example involves President Bush’s war on Iraq.

The Constitution prohibits the president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress. By waging war on Iraq without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war, the president violated the Constitution.

Some people pooh-pooh the violation, perceiving the Constitution as simply a technical document that can be violated whenever the president feels that “national security” — or even the welfare of foreigners — necessitates it.

Some also make the claim that when Congress delegated its power to declare war on Iraq to the president (on the eve of the 2002 congressional elections), that delegation served as an adequate substitute for an actual declaration of war on Iraq.

They are wrong.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land that we the people of the United States have imposed on our federal officials. Like it or not, U.S. officials are supposed to comply with its restrictions on power. If U.S. officials don’t like a particular constitutional provision or if they feel that it is outdated, the proper remedy is to seek a constitutional amendment, not ignore the provision.

Moreover, the Supreme Court, which is the final arbiter of constitutional interpretation under our system of government, has long held that no branch of the federal government can lawfully delegate its constitutional powers to another branch of government. Only the Congress, not the president, is authorized to declare war, and without that declaration the president cannot lawfully wage war on another nation.

We should bear in mind that had the president complied with the declaration-of-war requirement, the Congress might well have discovered in the process that the president’s WMD claims were defective. The Congress might also have concluded that invading a sovereign and independent country for the purpose of “spreading democracy” — a war in which tens of thousands of innocent people would be killed and maimed — could not be justified under moral principles.

“But we can’t refuse orders of the president. He’s our commander in chief,” say the troops. “It’s not our job to determine what is constitutional or not. We deployed to Iraq, like it or not, because the president ordered us to do so.”

Setting aside the moral implications of that position, doesn’t that mindset reflect that the oath that the troops take to support and defend the Constitution is in fact a sham? The troops know — or should know — that the Constitution prohibits the president from waging war without a congressional declaration of war. They also know that the Congress never declared war on Iraq. Nevertheless, they obeyed the president’s orders to attack Iraq.

The president’s war on Iraq reflects why our nation’s Founding Fathers opposed standing armies. Members of a professional army, who have vowed to obey the orders of the president, are unlikely to say no when the president orders them to attack another country.

On the other hand, a nation that relies instead on well-trained citizens (i.e., citizen-soldiers) to defend itself from a foreign attack would stand in a different position. Citizen-soldiers, while willing and prepared to rally to the defense of their own country in the event of an invasion, would be much less likely to answer the president’s call to leave their families and give up their jobs to attack a country thousands of miles away from American shores.

Isn’t it ironic that, even as the troops waging war in Iraq exhort the American people to support them, the troops, by invading Iraq without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war, have failed to support the Constitution?

Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.
 
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citizen soldiers....you mean like hmmm i dont know...national gaurd units? They are in Iraq also.
Write your congress men...
I see where your going with this...
But if you are not about to say fuck the troops then you are ill informed point blank period.
Also we are not "at war" anymore its a stabilization mission now.
 
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^^^Replace the word Stabilization with Imperialist and the last line of your statement will be correct.

Personally, I say fuck the troops all the time. Not to the ones that are too stupid, poor or naive to realize what they got themselves into, those people I feel bad for, but the gung-ho, ‘let’s kill some Arab’ KleenKut motherfuckers, those people I hope die a slow and painful death.
 
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^^^Replace the word Stabilization with Imperialist and the last line of your statement will be correct.

Personally, I say fuck the troops all the time. Not to the ones that are too stupid, poor or naive do realize what they got themselves into, those people I feel bad for, but the gung-ho, ‘let’s kill some Arab’ KleenKut motherfuckers, those people I hope die a slow and painful death.

^^^^^^ hahaahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhaha
 
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Ehy I know what your saying man
I feel you almost a hundred percent
cuz yah the word stabilization is a cop out
Just another loop hole....but you gotta take it for what its worth and thats the way its getting done.
And most fools who talk shit all this gung ho shit....well alot of them are just talkin and thats it
there really aint to many fools i know that want to be there cuz id say 80 percent at least of them know we there for the texas T'z....Shit
But alot of troops know the chances they are taking and we are pawns in the big game of it all weather we like it or not. That being said alot of people really do want to serve their country...and unfortunatly we are being used as a tool ....
what happens to us once we are already signed up ...is a whole other story...its true we dont have much of a opinion...we sign our asses over to the government and we do have to do some fucked up shit....and what happens if we dont....shit alot could happen...we live under a whole other rule than normal citizens.
We do live in a communist society in the army we all get paid no matter How much work we do...or dont do....and different jobs get paid the same....


The IDEALS and BELIEFS that the ARMY was founded on is such a wonderful thing....
the acctuality of what happens is another thing entirely.
We are like any powerful thing... that in the right hands can work wonders
and in the wrong ones can cause great anguish.

Thats why WE truely do NEED the PEOPLE to support us and call out our government on what it is doing.
There is only so much we can do..Granted alot of soldiers get backed into corners with scare tactics that if you know your Military law will not work...there are just certain ways to go about things where your ass is coverd and your ass is not and if you dont have your ass coverd then you can get into alot of trouble. Many soldiers dont know how to cover their asses the right way when it comes to oppossing Miltary law so they hear something about backlash if they where to speak out...and they get scarred.

Kinda like when the police Try to get away with bullshit searches...if they think you dont know your shit then they gonna make some bullshit up and have a way to search you.
but if you tell them hell motha fuckin know I know my rights you aint got shit on me then they back off.
Can you feel that?
 
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One thing I don't like is how areas with minorities and poorer people get full of recruiters telling them all this "great" shit they can do by joining. When I see a recruiter talking to some young kids getting their hopes up, I go up and tell them to quit lying and to tell them how it really is. Fuck the army, marines, navy, airforce, whatever the fuck else there is. Tricking good people into dying for the benefit of the rich.
 
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^^^True, there are some recruiters who lie and make up stuff to get you to join, but then there are those who tell the truth, like my recruiter. She told me all the dirty details of what goes on, and I still joined. But for you to say "Fuck the military" is ignorant. How the hell do you think this country got the way it did, by good people fighting and dying for what they believe in.
 
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I think it would be better if the working class of this country got control of the power. I think it would be better if the government didn't use 3rd world countries for their resources. I think it would be better if the wealth of the country was spread out equally, and not just held by like 2% of the country. I think it would be better if their wasn't so much institutionalized racism and sexism. There are so many, I can go on.
 
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crazy707 said:
How the hell do you think this country got the way it did,
How the hell do you think the rest of the world got the way it did? By Imperialist countries such as this one exploiting their countries and sucking their resources dry.


@oakraiders9,

That’s great you actually do that. I’ve been involved in trying to kick out recruiters from WA schools and have had some great success, although the recruiters have not been banned completely as of yet. Some schools will now allow alternative groups to set up right next to the recruiter’s tables, full of anti-war info, the many myths of the military and other alternative education programs that the students can read.