The Spin on Prop 66!

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bigantdna3

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Sacramento -- Daniel Ozuna Smith's lengthy rap sheet includes robbery and kidnapping, and he once raped a pregnant woman at gunpoint. Gaylon Ray Shirley has been hooked on heroin and cocaine for years and was last convicted of possession of crack with intent to sell.

Both Smith and Shirley are serving 25-years-to-life sentences in California's crowded prisons. Both felons, and thousands of others, are at the center of a debate this year over whether the state's unique "three strikes" law is an effective way to send longtime lawbreakers to prison for good, or constitutes cruel and unusual punishment for drug addicts and shoplifters.

Ten years after voters overwhelmingly approved three strikes, they will have the chance to amend it on the Nov. 2 ballot. Proposition 66, designed mostly to prohibit three strikes sentences for those convicted of nonviolent crimes, has led to an intriguing campaign on both sides of the issue.

The proposition has divided the father and grandfather of Polly Klaas, whose kidnapping and murder by career criminal Richard Allen Davis captivated the state in 1994 and helped sway voters to approve three strikes. The initiative to amend the law has been funded largely by one millionaire, whose son is an inmate who would serve less time behind bars if Prop. 66 is approved.

And both backers and opponents of the proposition point to plenty of personal horror stories to support their cause.

"My brother is not the type of person who needs to be locked up for the rest of his life,'' said Leon Shirley, 52, who is Gaylon Shirley's older brother and has watched his 51-year-old brother battle addiction since he was a teenager. "He has a drug problem. He is not Richard Allen Davis.''

Under three strikes, anyone convicted of two violent or serious felonies can face a 25-to-life sentence if convicted of any other felony. The law also doubles the sentence of anyone convicted of a felony who has one prior violent or serious felony -- a second strike.

California is the only state in the country that allows such long sentences for nonviolent felonies. There are 235 inmates serving 25- to-life for stealing a car, for example, and more than 10,000 people are in prison on second or third strikes for drug crimes, according to data from the state Department of Corrections.

Even some three strikes supporters admit that not all of the more than 7, 000 third-strikers in prison deserve such harsh sentences. The debate this year is whether Prop. 66 is the right fix, however, as opponents of the initiative say it could benefit thousands of hardened criminals.

"There are problems with three strikes,'' said San Mateo County District Attorney James Fox, a vocal opponent of Prop. 66. "This is not the answer.''

The proposition would make several changes to state law:

-- It would prohibit prosecutors from charging a second or third strike unless the felony committed was serious or violent, legal definitions that describe crimes like murder, rape and robbery;

-- It reduces the number of felonies considered to be serious or violent, meaning that charges like arson of an unoccupied building and burglary of an unoccupied home could not be used as a second or third strike;

-- It would allow anyone serving a third-strike sentence for a felony not considered serious or violent to a resentencing hearing, at which sentences would be reduced or even result in some inmates going free.

"What we're saying is that it is absolutely ridiculous that someone can get a life sentence for writing a bad check or stealing golf clubs,'' said Joe Klaas, a Prop. 66 backer and the grandfather of Polly Klaas.

Polly Klaas' father, Marc, is a vocal opponent of the initiative.

Prop. 66 proponents say the measure will allow about 4,000 third-strikers to seek new sentences and save the state hundreds of millions of dollars by reducing the number of inmates and the time they serve. The state's nonpartisan Legislative Analyst Office has agreed with that assessment.

Opponents of the proposition, however, say it will do more than just allow addicts or petty criminals to shave time off their sentences.

The state District Attorney's Association predicts the initiative will open the door for thousands more convicts, mostly second-strikers, to demand rehearing, arguing for equal treatment. Many opponents also object to retroactively resentencing and reclassifying some crimes as not serious or violent.

"I think residential burglary, whether someone is at home or not, is very serious,'' Fox said.

Fox was one of only a few district attorneys who opposed three strikes in 1994. But he now supports the law because a state Supreme Court ruling allows judges, not just prosecutors, to determine when a strike should be applied.

That ruling ensures a check on overzealous district attorneys, Fox said.

Other notable Prop. 66 opponents include Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown and San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris, who both have indicated some support for amending three strikes but feel the proposition goes too far.

"There are real dangerous people out there, and sometimes you can't get them for a serious or violent offense,'' Brown said at a recent legislative hearing.

The campaign against the initiative is being funded mostly by the state's politically powerful prison guards union, which has two officials involved in the opposition committee and has so far spent more than $176,000 to defeat Prop. 66.

The campaign has produced "Felon of the Day'' posters for the last month, highlighting a convict who would benefit from Prop. 66. Included is Smith, the kidnapper and rapist who was first convicted of a crime in 1961 but could be eligible for release under Prop. 66 because he was last convicted of heroin possession.

The union's expenses have been dwarfed by Jerry Keenan, however. Keenan, a Sacramento auto-insurance executive, has spent nearly $2 million on the proposition.

Keenan's son is in prison for a drunken driving accident that killed two people, and would see a lighter sentence under the proposition because the crime he committed would no longer be considered a serious or violent felony.



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Proposition 66
Proposition 66 would amend the state's "three strikes" law to prohibit increased sentences for those convicted of nonserious or nonviolent felonies. The law also redefines some felonies and would allow more than 4,000 third- strike inmates to have a resentencing hearing.

Argument for: The proposition would save money and provide more appropriate sentences for nonviolent crimes by amending the three strikes law.

Argument against: The proposition is poorly written and would allow career criminals to be released or face short sentences.

For more information: (In favor) www.yes66.org (In opposition) www.keep3strikes.org.





This is ridiculous the prison association and other DA's that Richard Allen Davis is gonna be eligible release! That is a joke! Read the manipulation! Yes on 66! Don't let the police and correctional officers huge influence scare you! There have been more people killed in San Jose by police than civilian murders! All we read and see is cops killing people and getting away. But , now they got nerves to say lets keep the car thieves and shoplifters in jail for life and we will continue KILLING people! Exercise your right and vote yes on 66! Thanks and God Bless!!!
 
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THE “LIMITATIONS ON THREE STRIKES” INITIATIVE
Proposition 66 on the November ballot would gut California’s “3 Strikes” law, allowing thousands of violent offenders and career criminals to roam free while costing taxpayers millions.
Releases over 26,000 felons now serving time for “3 Strikes” offenses. Because the initiative applies retroactively, 58% of all “third strikers” and 63% of all “second strikers” would be returned to local communities for re-sentencing and release, costing taxpayers millions of dollars in new legal and law enforcement costs.

Limits the counting of felony strikes to one strike per prosecution, instead of the current one strike per conviction. Under the initiative, a serial killer like “Night Stalker” Richard Ramirez, convicted of murdering 19 people, would receive just one strike for his crimes. Likewise, Charles Manson, convicted of murdering seven people, would receive just one strike for his crimes.
Eliminates six crimes from the serious felony “strike” list:

Residential burglary (unless someone other than an accomplice is in the residence at the time of the burglary)


Attempted residential burglary


Arson of a structure, forestland or property


Criminal threats


Felony gang crimes


Felonies in which great bodily injury is inflicted, including drunk driving (unless the defendant specifically intends to and personally inflicts great bodily injury)



Eliminates from the violent felony “strike” list any felony in which great bodily injury is inflicted, including drunk driving— unless the defendant specifically intends to and personally inflicts great bodily injury.
Eliminates assault with intent to rape an elderly or disabled person causing great bodily injury from the juvenile “strike”list.



If Proposition 66 becomes law, 26,000 convicted felons will be released from California prisons, including:
KENNETH PARNELL
Convicted in 1980 of kidnapping two boys. One of his victims included Steven Stayner, who he held for more than seven years, during which time he sexually assaulted him on a regular basis.
Served five years in prison and was paroled in 1985. His record included three convictions for kidnapping or molesting young boys, beginning when he was 19 and continuing into his seventies.
Arrested again in 2003 for trying to buy a 4-year-old boy in Berkeley for $500.
Convicted of three felonies: attempted child stealing, attempting to buy a human being and solicitation to commit kidnapping. Sentenced to 25 years to life under California’s “3 Strikes” law.
Would be released within weeks if Proposition 66 were to pass.
STEVEN MATTHEWS
A member of the Aryan Brotherhood. Served time for robbery and kidnapping as a juvenile in the 1960s, then arrested for murder in the late 1970s and acquitted.
Arrested two weeks later for killing a person in a bar.
Convicted of murder in 1978, along with three counts of attempted murder. Paroled in 1986. Within days, raped his mother and threatened to kill her.
Convicted and sentenced to 17 years in prison, where he wrote the judge threatening to “track him down.”
Paroled again in 1996, but parole was revoked 24 hours later after he failed a drug test and again threatened the judge.
While in prison, found with a concealed machete and filed down rock hammer. Sentenced to 25 years to life under California’s “3 Strikes” law.
Would be released from prison in early 2005 if Proposition 66 were to pass.
CHARLES ROTHENBERG
Abducted his six-year-old son in 1983 — then gave him a sleeping pill, soaked him in kerosene and set him on fire, burning 90% of his body.
Convicted in 1983 of arson and attempted murder, sentenced to 13 years in prison, served only seven years before being released on parole.
Criminal record dating back to 1958, with prior convictions for grand larceny, burglary, attempted second-degree robbery, possession of a loaded firearm and two counts of forgery. Arrested in 1996 for attempted murder and possession of weapons.
Arrested again in 2001 for possession of illegal firearms and ammunition, and for using stolen ATM cards.
Currently being prosecuted in San Francisco County under California’s “3 Strikes” law, where “3 Strikes” prosecutions for non-violent crimes are rare.
If convicted, instead of serving 25 years to life, could be back on the street in just over three years if Proposition 66 is approved.
WILLIAM HOLT
Convicted in 1981 for firing a shotgun into a car striking two victims.
Convicted in 1982 for raping a 13-year-old girl.
Convicted in 1987 for breaking into an elderly couple’s home, threatening them with a hatchet and attempting to rape the 63-year-old woman.
Currently serving a sentence of 25 years to life under California’s “3 Strikes” law for possession of methamphetamine.
Would be released if Proposition 66 were in effect.
LAMBERT PABRIAGA
Convicted in April 1989 for attempted grand theft.
Convicted in November 1989 for rape by force, sodomy with a person under 14 and sexual penetration with a foreign object.
Released on parole in 1998, then violated parole by failing to register as a convicted sex offender.
Arrested in 2000 for suspicion of murder and convicted of illegal possession of a concealed firearm.
Would be released from prison immediately and returned to local jurisdiction for re-sentencing if Proposition 66 becomes law.

For more information, call Sara Shults at (916) 447-8186.
 
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THE “LIMITATIONS ON THREE STRIKES” INITIATIVE
Proposition 66 on the November ballot would gut California’s “3 Strikes” law, allowing thousands of violent offenders and career criminals to roam free while costing taxpayers millions.
Releases over 26,000 felons now serving time for “3 Strikes” offenses. Because the initiative applies retroactively, 58% of all “third strikers” and 63% of all “second strikers” would be returned to local communities for re-sentencing and release, costing taxpayers millions of dollars in new legal and law enforcement costs.

Limits the counting of felony strikes to one strike per prosecution, instead of the current one strike per conviction. Under the initiative, a serial killer like “Night Stalker” Richard Ramirez, convicted of murdering 19 people, would receive just one strike for his crimes. Likewise, Charles Manson, convicted of murdering seven people, would receive just one strike for his crimes.
Eliminates six crimes from the serious felony “strike” list:

Residential burglary (unless someone other than an accomplice is in the residence at the time of the burglary)


Attempted residential burglary


Arson of a structure, forestland or property


Criminal threats


Felony gang crimes


Felonies in which great bodily injury is inflicted, including drunk driving (unless the defendant specifically intends to and personally inflicts great bodily injury)



Eliminates from the violent felony “strike” list any felony in which great bodily injury is inflicted, including drunk driving— unless the defendant specifically intends to and personally inflicts great bodily injury.
Eliminates assault with intent to rape an elderly or disabled person causing great bodily injury from the juvenile “strike”list.



If Proposition 66 becomes law, 26,000 convicted felons will be released from California prisons, including:
KENNETH PARNELL
Convicted in 1980 of kidnapping two boys. One of his victims included Steven Stayner, who he held for more than seven years, during which time he sexually assaulted him on a regular basis.
Served five years in prison and was paroled in 1985. His record included three convictions for kidnapping or molesting young boys, beginning when he was 19 and continuing into his seventies.
Arrested again in 2003 for trying to buy a 4-year-old boy in Berkeley for $500.
Convicted of three felonies: attempted child stealing, attempting to buy a human being and solicitation to commit kidnapping. Sentenced to 25 years to life under California’s “3 Strikes” law.
Would be released within weeks if Proposition 66 were to pass.
STEVEN MATTHEWS
A member of the Aryan Brotherhood. Served time for robbery and kidnapping as a juvenile in the 1960s, then arrested for murder in the late 1970s and acquitted.
Arrested two weeks later for killing a person in a bar.
Convicted of murder in 1978, along with three counts of attempted murder. Paroled in 1986. Within days, raped his mother and threatened to kill her.
Convicted and sentenced to 17 years in prison, where he wrote the judge threatening to “track him down.”
Paroled again in 1996, but parole was revoked 24 hours later after he failed a drug test and again threatened the judge.
While in prison, found with a concealed machete and filed down rock hammer. Sentenced to 25 years to life under California’s “3 Strikes” law.
Would be released from prison in early 2005 if Proposition 66 were to pass.
CHARLES ROTHENBERG
Abducted his six-year-old son in 1983 — then gave him a sleeping pill, soaked him in kerosene and set him on fire, burning 90% of his body.
Convicted in 1983 of arson and attempted murder, sentenced to 13 years in prison, served only seven years before being released on parole.
Criminal record dating back to 1958, with prior convictions for grand larceny, burglary, attempted second-degree robbery, possession of a loaded firearm and two counts of forgery. Arrested in 1996 for attempted murder and possession of weapons.
Arrested again in 2001 for possession of illegal firearms and ammunition, and for using stolen ATM cards.
Currently being prosecuted in San Francisco County under California’s “3 Strikes” law, where “3 Strikes” prosecutions for non-violent crimes are rare.
If convicted, instead of serving 25 years to life, could be back on the street in just over three years if Proposition 66 is approved.
WILLIAM HOLT
Convicted in 1981 for firing a shotgun into a car striking two victims.
Convicted in 1982 for raping a 13-year-old girl.
Convicted in 1987 for breaking into an elderly couple’s home, threatening them with a hatchet and attempting to rape the 63-year-old woman.
Currently serving a sentence of 25 years to life under California’s “3 Strikes” law for possession of methamphetamine.
Would be released if Proposition 66 were in effect.
LAMBERT PABRIAGA
Convicted in April 1989 for attempted grand theft.
Convicted in November 1989 for rape by force, sodomy with a person under 14 and sexual penetration with a foreign object.
Released on parole in 1998, then violated parole by failing to register as a convicted sex offender.
Arrested in 2000 for suspicion of murder and convicted of illegal possession of a concealed firearm.
Would be released from prison immediately and returned to local jurisdiction for re-sentencing if Proposition 66 becomes law.

For more information, call Sara Shults at (916) 447-8186.
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bigantdna3

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Sacramento -- Nearly two-thirds of California voters favor a ballot measure that would amend the state's "three strikes" law to prohibit extended prison sentences for nonviolent crimes, according to a statewide Field Poll.

Proposition 66 continues to enjoy widespread support among voters of all political ideologies in a poll of more than 1,100 likely voters that showed 65 percent favored the measure, while only 18 percent said they opposed it.

The wide lead with less than three weeks to go before the Nov. 2 election suggests it will take an "almost historic'' turnaround in voters' opinions to defeat the proposition, said Field Poll Director Mark DiCamillo.

"Voters seem to think the idea seems reasonable,'' he said.

Prop. 66 would make several changes to state criminal law, most notably limiting when a prosecutor can seek an extended prison sentence for an offender already convicted of a past felony. Second and third strikes, which can double a sentence or send someone to prison for life, would be applicable only if the crime committed was a serious or violent felony, such as murder, robbery or rape.

The current law allows any third felony conviction, whether it be shoplifting or kidnapping, to count as a third strike and result in a 25-year- to-life sentence.

The measure also would reclassify some felonies, such as arson of an unoccupied building or drunken driving causing great bodily injury, as nonserious felonies and would allow more than 4,000 inmates serving third- strike sentences to apply for a resentencing hearing.

The poll's findings were similar to two other results released this summer.

Support for the measure crosses all political lines, according to the poll, which carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points. Fifty-eight percent of voters identifying themselves as conservatives said they would support Prop. 66, while 67 percent of middle-of-the-road voters and 73 percent of liberals said they would vote yes.

"It's an interesting situation to see that many conservatives supporting a rollback of criminal sentencing,'' DiCamillo said. "I would not have predicted that.''

The poll also found that the opinions of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Attorney General Bill Lockyer and the state's district attorneys association had limited impact on voters.

Schwarzenegger, Lockyer and the prosecutors group have all opposed the initiative, saying it could free some longtime criminals. But 69 percent of voters said that had no impact on their opinion, while only 10 percent said it did affect them.

In another result released today, an effort by businesses to gut a law that allows private citizens or groups to sue companies is failing.

Twenty-six percent of voters favor Proposition 64, while 38 percent oppose the measure, and 36 percent remain undecided. DiCamillo said the high number of undecided voters meant it was too early to say the proposition would be defeated.

Proponents of Prop. 64, which include the state's Chamber of Commerce and many big corporations, have raised more than $12 million and are expected to run a television advertising campaign supporting the proposition.
 
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California reconsiders 'three-strikes' sentencing



LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- California voters are taking a second whack at "three-strikes" guidelines a decade after they first passed the nation's toughest sentencing law.

Crime and punishment have always made for raw politics, and the rhetoric swirling around Proposition 66 can make it tough to sort out just what it would do.

Pass it November 2, proponents say, and restore sanity to a law that has slapped life sentences on shoplifters and small-time drug users. Opponents say its passage would flood the streets with predatory criminals.

The truth, of course, lies somewhere between.

In essence, Proposition 66 turns on the question of how justice should be administered: Is the goal retribution, or another chance?

"If this thing passes, you're looking at a wholesale bloodbath," said Mike Reynolds, who galvanized California's three-strikes movement following his daughter's 1992 murder.

"A bloodbath -- why? We're not letting any violent people out," counters Joe Klaas, a leading supporter whose granddaughter was killed in a famous kidnapping case.

The ballot measure is among the most hard-fought of the 16 propositions that Californians will decide this year. The emotionally charged campaign has included opponents sending out mug shots of the most egregious criminals they say would be immediately back on the streets.

Polling suggests voters may opt to change current law. A poll released Wednesday shows nearly two-thirds of likely voters support the proposition.

The three-strikes law gets its name because felons can get 25-years-to-life sentences on their third conviction, provided the first two strikes were serious or violent felonies. The law prompted an unsuccessful appeal to the Supreme Court on behalf of petty criminals.

The ballot measure would change the law in two primary ways.

First, it would require that the maximum sentence only be triggered if a third conviction is a "serious or violent" felony. That requirement would bring California in line with the three-strikes laws of many other states.

Second, Proposition 66 would make eligible for resentencing any inmate serving life if their third strike is not "serious or violent." Judges would reassess whether a felon is serving an unjustifiably long term.

The proposition also shortens the list of strikes by deleting felonies including criminal threats and burglary of an unoccupied residence.

Proponents say the measure achieves what voters really wanted in 1994 when, cowed by a tough-on-crime lobby that gained clout as public safety deteriorated, they passed the original three-strikes proposition. The unintended consequences, they say, were thousands of hard-luck cases forced to become life sentences.

Opponents counter that voters knew just what they were doing: locking up hardcore repeat offenders before they can rape, murder or rob again.

Wildly divergent claims about how many inmates would be released illustrate how superheated the campaign has become.

Proposition 66 backers say no more than 4,100 felons -- none the predatory villain that opponents claim -- could have their sentences reduced. Opponents assert as many as 26,000 felons could be released.

The Legislative Analyst's Office estimates that some fraction of the current 7,500 third-strikers would be eligible for resentencing, but does not publicly estimate how many might gain freedom.

Another foggy area is how much the proposition might cost.

Proponents hail a legislative analyst's report that says Proposition 66 would save taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by reducing the prison population. Opponents call that ridiculous, saying it would cost millions to beef up law enforcement to catch and imprison newly released strikers who will inflict suffering on the public that cannot be measured.

Klaas is among the prominent supporters. He is the grandfather of Polly Klaas, the girl whose brutal kidnapping and murder made her the poster child for the 1994 law. The issue is so divisive that the proposition has driven a wedge between Joe Klaas and his son, Marc, Polly's father and an ardent opponent of Proposition 66.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
Because the initiative applies retroactively, 58% of all “third strikers” and 63% of all “second strikers” would be returned to local communities for re-sentencing and release, costing taxpayers millions of dollars in new legal and law enforcement costs. [/QUOTE]


As opposed to the millions of taxpayers money to house these non-violent prisoners, the majority on minor drug possession.

I enjoyed reading the rest of the biased, special-interest group website's sensationalized rants and raves. Can we get more native Californian input on this subject?
 

bigantdna3

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Exactly! Great insight! I just people were as informed as you! My cellmate went Got life for 10 dollars worht of herion. 40,000 a year to house a 64 year old herion user who's last crime was 1n 1984 and got busted in orange county 1n 96' and still gave him life! And he didn't even live in california! we housed a man for 9 yrs at 40,000 dollars who is from st.louis and who the fuck is gonna convince anyone that isn't grossly disproportianate and a total waste when we have kids with no healthcare! Fucking joke!