The Indians are bastards . . . Indira Gandhi, a bitch

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Kissinger regrets India comments
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4640773.stm


CONVERSATION: MAY 26, 1971
Kissinger: They are the most aggressive goddamn people around there
Nixon: The Indians?
Kissinger: Yeah
Nixon: Sure


Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has expressed regret over anti-India comments he made to former US President Richard Nixon.

"The Indians are bastards," Mr Kissinger said shortly before the India-Pakistan war of 1971, it was revealed this week.

Mr Kissinger also called former Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi a "bitch" during the conversation.

At the time, the US saw India as too close to the Soviet Union.

The conversation was revealed in documents the US State Department declassified this month on US foreign policy of the time.

According to the documents, President Nixon called Indira Gandhi an "old witch" in a conversation with Mr Kissinger.

'High regard'

Mr Kissinger, 82, has now told a the private Indian television channel NDTV that his comments did not reflect American policy during the 1970s. :rolleyes:

"I regret that these words were used. I have extremely high regard for Mrs Gandhi as a statesman," he said.

"The fact that we were at cross purposes at that time was inherent in the situation but she was a great leader who did great things for her country."

One key conversation transcript comes from the meeting between President Nixon and Mr Kissinger in the White House on 5 November 1971, shortly after a meeting with the visiting Indira Gandhi.

"We really slobbered over the old witch," says President Nixon.

"The Indians are bastards anyway," says Mr Kissinger. "They are starting a war there."

He adds: "While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too. She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war.

Mr Kissinger told NDTV that this was not a "formal conversation".

"This was somebody letting off steam at the end of a meeting in which both President Nixon and I were emphasising that we had gone out of our way to treat Mrs Gandhi very cordially," he said.

"There was disappointment at the results of the meeting. The language was Nixon language."

Relations between India and US have strengthened since Mr Kissinger's days.

"The US recognises that India is a global power, that is a strategic partner of the US on the big issues," Mr Kissinger said.

However, President Nixon and Mr Kissinger's remarks have angered India's ruling Congress party.

"It is shocking that the head of state of a country and his principal adviser chose to use such intemperate language against a popularly elected prime minister of another country," party spokesman Anand Sharma said.

"These words have no relevance today... we hope the present US leader also rejects these remarks which were definitely in very poor taste."
 

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That's some fucked up shit, but it happened so long ago that it shouldn't really matter now. We can't be held responsible for what Nixon and Kissinger said. The guy got impeached and resigned anyways - its not like he was our favorite president. Either way, its all political bullshit. You can call someone a bitch if you want to. Something tells me that Bush and Rumsfeld aren't the nicest little angels in US history either. All in all, its a shame that the US is constantly being viewed as assholes. I wish the rest of the world understood it was just our politicians, and not our people.
 

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Sorry man - I'm not gonna take responsibility for the actions of our government. I disagree with everything that they do for the most part. If I go to a foreign country and someone's like "You guys are going to war without UN backing" i'm not gonna say "I'm sorry". I'm gonna say "Listen, those are the policy makers in America, and I'm just as pissed off about their gun-slinging attitude as you are. I voted for Kerry and he didn't win, and as far as I'm concerned Bush isn't my president. So stop lecturing me just because I'm a fucking American."

That's just me though. It might be a very selfish attitude for me to not take responsibility for America's actions. But they aren't MY actions.

Going back to what 2-0-Sixx said, I agree Kissinger is an asshole and he should be shot. I wasn't trying to sound like I support what those guys had to say at all. I'm just saying, I didn't say it. I didn't have any slaves, I didn't kill Italian families over feuds, I didn't house Japanese in camps during WWII, I didn't stop the Arabs at the airports after 9-11. I'm proud of our country, but not our government.

I get what you're saying Coldblooded - apathy and indifference are probably just as big killers as anything else. So yeah, in that sense, I am a part of the problem. But I'm a good person with good morals, and I wouldn't do or say any of those things. And I tried to be proactive - I voted. That's really all we can do in today's day and age except for forming interest groups or something weak like that.
 
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Voting is the least civically responsible action a citizen in this country can undertake, which is why when you do, it has virtually ZERO impact.

It keeps people from doing stronger things. We're told, "If you want to change the world, vote." And really, if you want to change the world, there's a lot more things that you can do.
 

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Voting is the least civically responsible action a citizen in this country can undertake, which is why when you do, it has virtually ZERO impact.

It keeps people from doing stronger things. We're told, "If you want to change the world, vote." And really, if you want to change the world, there's a lot more things that you can do.

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