THE DEATH PENALTY: EYE FOR AN EYE?

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HERESY

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O.k. heres the deal. I have been on this board for some time now but I havent saw a topic that deals with the death penalty (in this forum).

I've seen it pop up in other threads but thats about it.

lets discuss it but first i wanna ask you cats something.

do you feel LEX LUGER had something to do with the death of elizabeth?

do you feel scott peterson is guilty?

in this country its said that you're innocent until proven guilty. does it really work like that? are you judged before a jury of *YOUR* "peers" or judged before a biased jury hand picked to send you to a concrete abyss?

now keep in mind that lex has NOT been charged with murder (he most likely wont) and that scott peterson has NOT went to trial yet. so with that in mind can you give your "OPINION" on these matters?

if scott is found guilty do you think he should die?

is the death penalty too easy/lite?

is the death penalty inhumane?

should the death penalty be abolished because innocent people are on death row due to crooked cops and the D.A. doing a rushed job (just to satisfy onlookers)?

what about a rapist?

im VERY interested in what WAR SUPPORTERS have to say about this.


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HERESY said:
the death penalty (in this forum).

lets discuss it but first i wanna ask you cats something.

do you feel LEX LUGER had something to do with the death of elizabeth?
dont know anything about that

HERESY said:
do you feel scott peterson is guilty?
dont know but i have a feeling that maybe he ISNT

HERESY said:
in this country its said that you're innocent until proven guilty. does it really work like that?
yes, most of the time, although nothing is perfect and i doubt there will ever be a system that is.

HERESY said:
are you judged before a jury of *YOUR* "peers" or judged before a biased jury hand picked to send you to a concrete abyss?
a jury of "your" peers, your lawyer has the right to dismiss potential unfavorable jurors

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if scott is found guilty do you think he should die?
yes

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is the death penalty too easy/lite?
no

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is the death penalty inhumane?
no

HERESY said:
should the death penalty be abolished because innocent people are on death row due to crooked cops and the D.A. doing a rushed job (just to satisfy onlookers)?
no

HERESY said:
what about a rapist?
kill him
 
Apr 25, 2002
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guilty til proven innocent.if you'er arrested for it you must be guilty what most people think

lex luger shouldn't anything be done to him , he didnt make the bitch do all that yayo

scotty too hotty peterson i fuckin hate how they blow the whole thing up ,i have no idea if he did it , i doubt he did but maybe he did.if he get convicted for it wont need a to put that man to death , some would kill him he's already receaved death threats while hes in modesto jail


if if you'er juged by you'er peers if i was on trial i should have a jury with a bunch of chicano or minority males between the ages 18-22 from northern/central california which i'd like that if i was ever on trial


death penelty is humane but i disagree with it

rapist are the worst than murders speacily them baby touchers , think a ass whoopen daily is and made a bitch in jail is koo but maybe when there old they should be able to be thrown down the stairs by there past vitcums
 
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I dont think Luger had anything to do with Liz's death, I think both of them were into drug heavily as Luger was found with fat amounts of steriods and other similar stuff.

Scott Peterson just might be innocent, but we'll just have to wait until the trial so we can see if the cops found anythng in the searches of his house.
 
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HERESY said:
in this country its said that you're innocent until proven guilty. does it really work like that?
That is a question that cannot be easily answered until we are fully aware of the circumstances surrounding each individual case and the precautions that must be taken in order to assure the person stands trial. When someone is arrested for murder, should we simply let them know of the accusations, give them a court date and hope they appear in court in order to maintin that one is innocent until proven guilty? Should we let felons live a FREE and INNOCENT life in society up until their court date under the asumption that he is in fact innocent? I think that in many cases, it is necesary to jail a suspect due to the fact that he or she will more then likely skip town and not show up in court because he/she is guilty. It is very hard to understand how we can say someone is innocent when we hold him behind bars, but what choice do we have when someone is charged with multiple homicide's and all the evidence is against him. That is why BAIL is awarded to those that do not appear to pose an immediate threat to society, and who we believe WILL come back to court based solely on trust. In some cases, I believe that a person can be made out to look guilty, and in the process aid a guilty verdict. When a man is deprived of his proper court attire when he stands trial, when the media feeds society lies and hidden truths about what really happened, there are numerous possibilities that could lead someone to believe a person is guilty until proven innocent. The problem is that there is no one way to satisfy absolutely everybody in reguards to ones innocense before they go to court.

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are you judged before a jury of *YOUR* "peers" or judged before a biased jury hand picked to send you to a concrete abyss?
Regardless who picks the jury, weather it be the prosecutor or defense, there is going to be a level of bias judgement held towards every defendant. The jury is picked amongst a population that cannot possibly relate to the circumstances or lifestyle regarding the person being prosecuted. Within every juror there is going to be some biased opinion because, why else would that man be standing in court defending himself, why would the police go after that man if he did not commit that crime. Now in that sense, and im picking up where I left off from my above comments, that man is NOT innocent until proven guilty. In order for one to get off, the defense must prove his innocense. Now in this case, how can one be innocent until proven guilty be true, when you have to prove your innocense to a jury who already partially believes your guilty before they have even seen you.

HERESY said:
is the death penalty too easy/lite?
I think in some cases it can be to lite, and in others a bit much. When deciding the fate of a guilty person I think there should be more taken into consideration that the charge and verdict. They should look at...

1. Who was killed (i.e. mother of 4 or some crack dealer)
2. The Motive (i.e. did the victim rape the suspects girlfriend)
3. The Capacity of the suspect (was he drunk, insane, coherent)
4. Feelings of Remorse
5. History of Violent Crimes

The judge may or may not take these into consideration when rendering his punishment, but he can be as biased as an jury. I believe a man who, with full capacity and history of violent crimes, plans and kills another innocent mother of 5, should be executed. However, a man who's wife was raped and murdered, goes after his wife's killer and takes his life, should not. Those are easy examples, but I think you can understand where I am coming from.

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is the death penalty inhumane?
No more inhumane than premeditated muder.

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should the death penalty be abolished because innocent people are on death row due to crooked cops and the D.A. doing a rushed job (just to satisfy onlookers)?
I think every case should be seriously re-evaluated to the fullest by the supreme court to assue there is absolutely no doubt this person commited the crime. Personaly I think the deprevation of ones freedom by placing them behind bars is punishment enough for the majority of crimes commited. I think one of the saddest things today is innocent people behind bars, I cannot stress this enough how horrible of an act it is. Have you ever watched the John Walsh show (great show), you might catch an episode like the one I saw today. They had three innocent men who served jail time, one of which I will talk about. I don't remember his name, but he was convicted of murder in 1989. The prosecuters used a person who he had beef with to testify and convict the man. Three years later, the real murderer became an informant and in doing so confessed to the murder. He took a polygraph test and FAILED it, so it was disregarded. 13 YEARS LATER they re-opened the case and the man was eventually set free, he served a total of 17 years behind bars and is now fileing a civil suit against the city of New York for $50 million dollars. That shit is fucking SERIOUS.

HERESY said:
what about a rapist?
I beleive they serve most of their punishment in Gen Pop. Sex crimes do not go well amongst other prisoners. To answer your question, no they should not be put to death. Maybe multiple offenders need to go under the knife.
 
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About the "eye for an eye" quote :
I discussed contradictions in the bible with a priest once and he claimed that the eye for an eye thing didn't mean that if I ripped out your eye, you should rip out mine. He claimed that it meant that if I ripped out your eye then I should be sentenced to pay you the money an eye would be worth. Priests do usually talk a lot of bullshit, so I believe that this was a way to avoid a contradiction that later in the bible it says that you should "turn the other cheek".
 
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fuck the death penalty, i kno if i comitted was found guilty for something i didn't do and they put me on death row i would be HELLA MAD. FUCKING PIGS TREAT YOU LIKE DIRT IF UR INNOCENT OR NOT FUCK THAT SHIT MAN FUCK THE LAW
 
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Droopy Eye said:
About the "eye for an eye" quote :
I discussed contradictions in the bible with a priest once and he claimed that the eye for an eye thing didn't mean that if I ripped out your eye, you should rip out mine. He claimed that it meant that if I ripped out your eye then I should be sentenced to pay you the money an eye would be worth. Priests do usually talk a lot of bullshit, so I believe that this was a way to avoid a contradiction that later in the bible it says that you should "turn the other cheek".
that isnt a contraction. what that was is Jesus changing a few things. Jesus Didnt contradict what was in the Bible, he changed it.
 
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One thing Nitro,

In a criminal case the prosecution has prove beyond reasonable doubt, or like 99%, that the accused is guilty. This may not be always the case, but that is how the law is suppose to work, and the jurors are suppose to understand this.
For civil cases, basically someone getting sued, it is different. The prosecution only needs to prove that the accused is 60% responsible for the damages
This is one way OJ got off in the criminal trial but found guilty in the civil case. The defense proved to the jurors that there was some doubt in the case, so he was found innocent. But the civil trial found that he was at least 60% responsible for the deaths, so he was sued.
 
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I know, I learned all that in Criminology. It seems as though--despite the requirements for a guilty verdict--the defendant is, in many cases, already turning a 99% guilty verdict just by showing up in court, and the defense is spending time convincing the jury otherwise. I know how the court system is "supposed" to work, but it doesn't always turn out that way. The jury often puts too much faith in government agencies, in that they believe if they caught this man, it must be for good reasons, so he is likely to be guilty. Why else would they arrest him?
 
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The death penalty is dead wrong!

It is the most calculated form of premeditated murder there is! What kind of government sets an example my killing its own citizens.

It is a violation of the 8th and 14th amendments. It is cruel and unusal (contrary to popular belief the manner in which capital punishment is administered is a painful way to die, and there is nothing natural about the way they die!)

Minorities, retards, and the poor are the ones who suffer the death penalty the most. Capital punishment is disproportionately administered to the afforementioned groups of people who are convicted of capital crimes compared to white people who are convicted of the same capital crimes and recieve life in prison.

At least 1 innocent person is executed annually (some years as many as 10) which is too many. The death penalty is permanent and impossible to correct a mistake!

From a fiscal point of view, it costs taxpayers more to go though with an execution (due to the appeals process, and don't say just put a bullet in their head to make it quicker and easier, b/c that even further denys the inmated due process) than to keep them in prison for life. Between 1.5-5 million per death penalty case vs. $300,000-$500,000 for life in prision!

Now there are harsh crimes and some people commit the sickest of sick and heinous acts which violate innocent victims and I too sometimes wish an excruciating and slow painful death to the perpatrator, but bottom line is we no more have the right to judge this persons right to live any more than the accused does. The death penalty is pure vengence and does nothing to deter capital crimes. States with capital punishment have just as high a rate of higher of capital crimes committed!

It is hard to swallow our pride and hate, but it just ain't right! I know, I know, what if some homicidal maniac came in and tortured, raped, & killed my mom, wife, and kids... of course, human nature's natural response is erase this persons existence, but again that's pure vengence, not justice...

Try reading some of Ghandi's or MLK's works, let go of your hate and who knows....