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May 6, 2002
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It's not a money thing with me not ordering it, I just dont care too much for the fight.

I hate how boxing alludes their mandatories for bigger fights.

Do you realize this will be Tarvers 4rth non-mandatory fight. His last mandatory was Montell G. Since that he has fought RJJ, Glen Johnson twice, and now Hopkins. It's not right.
 
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Man... I'd be shocked if Hopkins is KO'd.... I've never, ever seen Hopkins in trouble before (in danger of being knocked out). Nothing Tarver does impresses me. I think that one punch knockout of Roy Jones helped Tarver too much. Hopkins is like 10-0 versus southpaws. I am not sure if it would be an exciting fight because Hopkins can be too careful at time. It's better for his sake but not for the scoring sake. I'll still take Hopkins by UD. He just can't let Tarver outpunch him the whole fight or it will be Taylor vs. Hopkins all over again.
Antwun Echols actually hurt him in their first fight.
Echols is a very heavy handed fighter.
He's the only one who's ever hurt Hopkins.

Man Tarver never gets the respect he deserves so I can see why he takes this $hit so personally.
Tarver is a very good fighter.
Pound for pound one of the best in boxing today.
He's not just a one hit wonder who defeated an aging Roy Jones.
It's funny how quickly Roy Jones turned old by one over hand left :cheeky:
RJ was made for Tarver.
I saw this one coming way back when Tarver turned pro....
Perhaps Tarver will never get the respect he deserves.
Even if he goes on to defeat Hopkins, people will say that he was just too big for him. And its the same case if he were to fight Calzaghe.
Perhaps moving up to the heavies and capturing a belt will help cement his legacy. Personally I don't think he's built for the heavies.
I see him as another Larry Holmes. He just happened to come by at the wrong time when there's hardly any competition for him.
 
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miggidy said:
Antwun Echols actually hurt him in their first fight.
Echols is a very heavy handed fighter.
He's the only one who's ever hurt Hopkins.

Man Tarver never gets the respect he deserves so I can see why he takes this $hit so personally.
Tarver is a very good fighter.
Pound for pound one of the best in boxing today.
He's not just a one hit wonder who defeated an aging Roy Jones.
It's funny how quickly Roy Jones turned old by one over hand left :cheeky:
RJ was made for Tarver.
I saw this one coming way back when Tarver turned pro....
Perhaps Tarver will never get the respect he deserves.
Even if he goes on to defeat Hopkins, people will say that he was just too big for him. And its the same case if he were to fight Calzaghe.
Perhaps moving up to the heavies and capturing a belt will help cement his legacy. Personally I don't think he's built for the heavies.
I see him as another Larry Holmes. He just happened to come by at the wrong time when there's hardly any competition for him.

Man, please. Tarver is not as good as you are trying to make him out to be. Hopkins is the one who had to earn his respect. It took Hopkins over 8 years, until he beat Felix Trinidad for him to get his due. Tarver complains too much, nigga was a fuckin dope fiend before all of this and now he thinks he's the shit coz he beat an old ass, past his prime Roy Jones. Tarver ain't even got no stamina, he was about to pass out in the last Roy Jones fight, falling thru the ropes n shit. He can win this fight, but he ain't as good as u are suggesting, he'll be exposed pretty soon, most likely by B-Hop..
 
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DaSlimReaper said:
Man, please. Tarver is not as good as you are trying to make him out to be. Hopkins is the one who had to earn his respect. It took Hopkins over 8 years, until he beat Felix Trinidad for him to get his due. Tarver complains too much, nigga was a fuckin dope fiend before all of this and now he thinks he's the shit coz he beat an old ass, past his prime Roy Jones. Tarver ain't even got no stamina, he was about to pass out in the last Roy Jones fight, falling thru the ropes n shit. He can win this fight, but he ain't as good as u are suggesting, he'll be exposed pretty soon, most likely by B-Hop..
Roy Jones was pretty much undefeated (minus the DQ he got) when he fought Tarver. Hardly past his prime, if anything Tarver took his warrior spirit away!
 
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If this is truly Hopkins' last fight I'd like to see him go out on top, but I'd have to lean towards the naturally bigger and southpaw Tarver for a UD. I'm curious to see how Hopkins filled out into a 175lb frame though. Here's the tale of the tape by the way , it surprised me to find out Hopkins has the reach advantage, but that's fingertip to fingertip and not armpit to fingertip.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2006/0610_tarver_hopkins/tale/index.html
 
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DaSlimReaper said:
Man, please. Tarver is not as good as you are trying to make him out to be. Hopkins is the one who had to earn his respect. It took Hopkins over 8 years, until he beat Felix Trinidad for him to get his due. Tarver complains too much, nigga was a fuckin dope fiend before all of this and now he thinks he's the shit coz he beat an old ass, past his prime Roy Jones. Tarver ain't even got no stamina, he was about to pass out in the last Roy Jones fight, falling thru the ropes n shit. He can win this fight, but he ain't as good as u are suggesting, he'll be exposed pretty soon, most likely by B-Hop..
You come off as a Ray Jones fan who's still hurting from the beatings he took from Tarver.
After all, many boxing analysts have Tarver in their top 10 pound for pound lists so it's you who's trying real hard to convince me he's as bad as you think he is.

You don't have to tell me anything about B-Hop that I already know.
He's the man, plain and simple.
Go back and read my post, I'm rooting for him to pull off the upset.
 
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Here's ESPN's play by play scoring of the fight so far.

Round 1
The "Fight to the Finish" is on. Both fighters come up cautious. Tarver looks to set the tempo with his left jab. Hopkins retaliates with his straight right. Hopkins circles Tarver for much of the round, as the combatants continue to measure each other. Hopkins gets off a brief combination. Hopkins is careful to keep his disance. Hopkins throws a cople rights during a clinch.
David Cooper scores it: 10-9 Hopkins
Dan Rafael scores it: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 2
The bell sounds and Tarver's right hand and Hopkins' left appear to be engaged in high-fiving. Hopkins continues to fight from the outside, circling Tarver. Tarver waits for his opening, then unleashes a hard left. Hopkins comes back with a right several secons later, followed by another right. Hopkins follows up his attack with a series of rights that score. Tarveris not hur significantly, though. Tarver lets fly a combination, but Hopkins parries.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 3
It's more of the same. More measuring, more sizing up for much of the round. Hopkins gets inside and throws short rights that don't do much damage to Tarver, but they do score. Tarver continues to be patient, but it may cost him the round.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 4
Both fighters sep up the aggression. Hopking throws a roundhous left that is partially blocked. Tarver is stepping up his attack with his left, but Hopkins maintains the pressure. Tarver lands a left, but still is watching and waiting. Hopkins is selective in his attack, and has been acurate to this point. Hopkins bounces off the ropes and gets clear of Tarver, and continues to circle. Hopkins scores with a right, then clinches briefly. Hopkins moves tauntingly at the end of the round. Tarver gets in a left just before the bell sounds.
Cooper: 10-9 Tarver
Rafael: 10-9 Tarver

Round 5
The pace steadily increases, but caution remains the better part of valor for both fighters. A Hopkins right forces Tarver's glove to touch the canvas, a knockdown. Hopkins looks to press the attack, unleashing a flurry. Tarver retaliates with two lefts. Hopkins comes away with a decisive round.
Cooper: 10-8 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-8 Hopkins

Round 6
It's a fight now at the halfway mark. Hopkins scores with a right, then clinches. Tarver still flares his jab to measure Hopkins. Hopkins is more selective about when to be aggressive, lunging at Tarver and scoring. Hopkins is willing to take the risk of testing Tarver's longer reach. A Hopkins combination seals another round for him.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 7
At this point, it's Hopkins' fight to lose. Tarver lands a sporadic right jab, only to receive Hopkins coming at him. Hopkins maintains his distance, but Tarver catches him with a left. Tarver lunges at Hopkins but misses. Hopkins lands a right, again. The crowd chants "B-Hop! B-Hop!" in support.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 8
Tarver opens the round aggressively, but Hopkins comes back with a right. Hopkins does not wait for Tarver to reload, pressing the attack and tying him up inside. Hopkins stays outside of Tarver's reach, then unleashes his right, then a left. The pace slows somewhat until Tarver decides to throw a combination that's hit-n-miss. Hopkins is in control, fighting his fight.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 9
Tarver needs to come out and fight. Hopkins ties him up briefly in the first 20 seconds of the round. Tarver looks to get off his left, but finds Hopkins to be tantalizingly elusive. Tarver appears to be waiting for the home-run punch, but is running out of time and rounds. Hopkins sticks to his game plan, landing his right seemingly at will. Hopkins finishes with a flurry as the bell sounds.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Tarver

Round 10
Tarver has to make his move sometime. Hopkins is beginning to dance a little around the ring, then firing off shots. The action lulls, then Hopkins scores with a flurry. Hopkins throws another 1-2, and then stalks confidently. Hopkins dodges Tarver and plays to the crowd, then attacks Tarver as the round ends.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 11
The round starts slowly, playing to Hopkins' advantage. Hopkins has Tafrver where he wants him, firing combinations. Tarver's eyes are swollen. It's a masterful performance by Hopkins, attacking and then backing off. Hopkins switches to southpaw style and back as the bell sounds.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins

Round 12
The round starts in a clinch. Then, Hopkins goes to work, working the body. Tarver counters, but Hopkins continues to work inside. Then Hopkins walks and stalks. Several seconds later, Hopkins lunges and scores. A left-left-right by Hopkins draws oohs and ahhs from the crowd. Hopkins scores with a right, then ties Tarver up briefly, then gets outside of Tarver's range. Hopkins is dancing. It's over.
Cooper: 10-9 Hopkins
Rafael: 10-9 Hopkins
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Hopkins upsets Tarver!
Former longtime middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins (47-4-1, 32 KOs) outpointed world light heavyweight champion Antonio Tarver (34-4, 18 KOs) handily Saturday night at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey. After a slow first round, the 41-year-old Hopkins seemed to get the upper hand by connecting with lead rights in round two. Things picked up in round five when Tarver's glove touched the canvas resulting in Hopkins being credited with a knockdown. "The Executioner," who looked solid as a light heavyweight, took Tarver completely out of his game and consistantly beat his foe to the punch. The last several rounds it appeared that Hopkins could have knocked out Tarver if he had chosen to step on the gas. Scores were 118-109 on all cards. The 37-year-old Tarver was surprisingly listless. Word is he lost as much as forty excess pounds after appearing in Rocky 7 and in addition to losing the fight lost a $250,000 bet with Hopkins that he would end the fight within six rounds.
 
May 6, 2002
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Boy am I glad I didn't play this one. I would have lost 300.
When I was about the place my bet with my guy he told me it moved to 330, and I said forget it.

Hopkins at +280

Once again, public money was wrong.
 
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So much for Tarver's size advantage.
From what I'm hearing, Hopkins handed his ass to him.
It was a magical and masterful performance for Bernard Hopkins.

I can't wait to hear what Tarver's going to say.
Will he pull the same "Oh I had to drop so much weight in so little time" excuse Roy Jones pulled on him?
Haha! Even though this fight wasn't even close, I can't wait to catch the replay on HBO next Saturday.
 
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PGBD said:
Hopkins might be one of the greatest fighters ever. I was surprised at how easily he won. Tarver was timid and hesitant and had no answer for that right.
Would you say top 5 best middleweights of all time?
It's hard to pick anyone over him.
Maybe within the top 3 if you ask me.

Anyways, good for you guys.
You got to see a living legend live on the final fight of his career.
There's no question in my mind that Hopkins will for ever embody the image of dedication. No man has ever been able to walk as straight a line as he has and fight with the same consistancy as he has. He's the perfect role model for aspiring young fighters.

In my book, this victory over shadows his two defeats against Taylor.
Even if you think Taylor won those fights legitimately.

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WBO jr welterweight champion Miguel Cotto (27-0, 22 KOs) won a hard-fought unanimous decision over previously unbeaten Paulie Malignaggi (21-1, 5 KOs) Saturday night at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Cotto dropped Malignaggi in round two and appeared to possibly break Malignaggi's jaw. However, Malignaggi fought on bravely and took everything Cotto threw. Cotto continued to batter Malignaggi down the stretch, winning by scores of 115-112, 116-111, 116-111.
 

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#37
This was one of the best performances I have ever saw, and if anything were to etch Hopkins name in history it would be this fight. From the opening bell to the end of the fight he seemed to NEVER run out of gas and never switched his game plan. His conditioning was rock solid, he held carried the extra weight extremely well and he was able to move when he needed. I take my hat off to B-HOP because he came from the gutter, went to prison, came out and made something of himself. Also, Hopkins did something his idol was not able to do and to accomplish that goal and bow out gracefully is impressive and respectable.

As far as Tarver goes he didn't make any excuses. When asked if he would use the weight loss as an excuse he said no. He said it just wasn't his night and he was "flat."
 
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wow big surprise, that conditioning coach of hopkins really worked. can't wait to see the fight. props if it was as good as you all said it was i guess he can finally retire with his head straight.
 
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Hopkins beat Tarvers ass!!! B-hop is such a disciplined and smart fighter that even though he knocked Tarver down in the fifth, he never let that get him away from his game plan and maintained a cool head and boxed the entire fight. I think if he really wanted to he could have knocked the "legend killer" (lmao) the fuck out.

Pure domination by b-hop. I expected a good fight, but I never expected a beat down like this. B-hop looked 31, not 41. Tarver was scared and puzzled the entire fight and only won one single round (and not because he dominated the round but because of hopkins lack of activity).

I'm so happy to see one of the greatest boxers go out on top like this. Especially considering all of the set backs that a lot of people would give up after (4 years in prison, losing first pro fight, 2 loses to taylor at age 40, etc.)