Stuck with the final pick in my fantasy draft

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it was one of those auto draft things too, so here is what i ended up with . . .

QB Peyton Manning, Ind QB
RB Jamal Lewis, Bal RB
RB/WR Dante Hall, KC WR
WR Chad Johnson, Cin WR
WR Anquan Boldin, Ari WR
TE Alge Crumpler, Atl TE P
D/ST Colts D/ST, Ind D/ST
K Jay Feely, NYG K

Bench Trent Green, KC QB
Bench Drew Brees, NO QB
Bench Todd Heap, Bal TE
Bench Adam Vinatieri, Ind K
Bench Mike Vanderjagt, Dal K
Bench Jaguars D/ST, Jac D/ST
Bench Duce Staley, Pit RB
Bench Ryan Moats, Phi RB


hopfully i can make some trades
 

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That's a solid draft. I'd be worried about your running backs though. Lewis needs to get back to the way he was before last year, Staley looked like SHIT in the opener, but he still might get a lot of TDs as the Steelers short-yardage/red zone back, and Ryan Moats will probably not play at all if Correll Buckhalter keeps playing well.

You fucking stole the show on kickers, but I dont know how many fantasy points Vanderjagt or Vinatieri will make with respect to someone like Rackers.

Trent Green always puts up great numbers, and even though Manning has never been a #1 fantasy QB, he always seems to be the first QB drafted. Either way, you'll get a lot of QB points.

Dante Hall, Chad Johnson, and Anquan Boldin are all GREAT receivers.

You have two badass TE's. 2 Solid defenses.

This is a really fuckin good team from what I can tell...how many people are in your league?
 
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10 people in the league at work. I figured WR's and RB's would go real quick so i would use my later picks to grab up TE's, Kickers, and team D's in the hopes of trading up for some RB's and WR's as people see a need to improve their teams over all(i really don't need 3 kickers).

I was shooting for drafting at least one if not both Bell and Dayne from denver since who ever starts is going to rack up some serious RB points, but apparently i didn't get either of them. Maybe i'll get lucky and they will share time.

Jamal Lewis was ranked really low on espn's fantasy so i figured i'd have a shot at picking him up and hope, that it being a contract year and all, he might play better. He was my only serious RB choice that i actually ended up getting.

I got Hall up there for his kick return abilities in addition to his jobs as a WR, but i would be happy to replace him with a quality RB that could rack up some points. I was happy to get Chad Johnson & Anquan Boldin though.

I think Breese will be pretty good this season. Considering how bad the saints were i think their schedule looks pretty hard, but the running back tandem that NO has now should take some pressure off Breese and allow him some play action opportunities. I would have liked to have scored Joe Horn too. But i think with time getting split between Bush and Deuce neither was a good choice for early picks because their potential is going to be divided in half and honestly i'm surprised by how highly they were rated.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
it was one of those auto draft things too, so here is what i ended up with . . .

QB Peyton Manning, Ind QB

WR Chad Johnson, Cin WR
WR Anquan Boldin, Ari WR
TE Alge Crumpler, Atl TE P


Bench Trent Green, KC QB
Bench Drew Brees, NO QB
Bench Todd Heap, Bal TE
Bench Adam Vinatieri, Ind K
Bench Mike Vanderjagt, Dal K
Bench Ryan Moats, Phi RB
Thats the business right there homie...you got Vinni AND Vandy????Are you fuckin kiddin me?Thats like getting Jerry Rice AND Tim Brown back in the day....thats some good ass luck right there!!!!

You have 2 VERY solid backup QB's...whom are both starters anyhow!!!Alge Crumpler is THE most underrrated TE IN the game...and Todd Heap is the shit when hes USED....i dont even have to say anything about Chad...hes a show off but backs up his shit...and you struck gold with Anquan...thats my dude man....FSU baby....

I do agree with the RB situation though...Ryan Moats is young and i dont know how much PT he'll get this year...and Jamal is old...good luck on that..
 
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ColdBlooded said:
it was one of those auto draft things too, so here is what i ended up with . . .

QB Peyton Manning, Ind QB
RB Jamal Lewis, Bal RB
RB/WR Dante Hall, KC WR
WR Chad Johnson, Cin WR
WR Anquan Boldin, Ari WR
TE Alge Crumpler, Atl TE P
D/ST Colts D/ST, Ind D/ST
K Jay Feely, NYG K

Bench Trent Green, KC QB
Bench Drew Brees, NO QB
Bench Todd Heap, Bal TE
Bench Adam Vinatieri, Ind K
Bench Mike Vanderjagt, Dal K
Bench Jaguars D/ST, Jac D/ST
Bench Duce Staley, Pit RB
Bench Ryan Moats, Phi RB


hopfully i can make some trades
Ok I am going to play devil's advocate here. I don't think it's all that great. Yes you have good kickers but the points difference between them and say Akers or Elam is going to be less than 30 points total probably...so havinf kick ass kickers only works for 1 or 2 games but for the course of a season not that great.

Manning will be good as they will be throwing more than normal this year. No Edge so he will be in throwing situationsalot more so Mnning is a good pick, as well as your back-ups, those are some good back-ups to have as trade bait.

Your rb's are a huge concern. Jamal looked pretty good lastnight, so hopefully he will bounce back for you, but Duce and Moats are just bit players who are worth no value at all. I know it doesn;t sound good ,but try dumping those 2 for players like Mike Bell, Frank Gore, Droughns if available, maybe even Laurence Maroney if available, or Dominik Rhodes if available is back-up Addai.

I really think you are weak are wr position as well. Chad Johnson of course will throw up huge numbers but that's it. Anquan is a good payer, but Larry is the #1 and now tih Edge that will take some balls away from him, and the worst part yet...Warner...he will be on his back or throwing picks all game, and if they bench him you have an unproven Navarre or a rookie Lienert who hasn't been in Camp. And Daunte Hall is only good for special teams, if you don't get his return yards then drop him. He is the 4th look on that team behind, LJ, Tony G, Kennison. Drop Him and go after a #3 from a team that doesn't use the te more...like Denver Brandon Marshall or David Kircus, Raiders and Curry, something along those lines. Even someone like Keyshaun if he is available gets more balls than Dante does on offense.

Te's, you are fine here just like in qb's & kickers you have depth here and have no worries come bye's or injury.


defense, again I think you are fine here, and will actually be having hard time chosing who to start on given weeks, but with those 2 you could do alot worse.


So overall I think you have an OK team, but the rb's and wr's are thin and that is where your points need to come from. I would concentrate on making you rb's better right now first...you can always pick up a decent wr later, through free agency and injuries. Look at rookie backs in a system where the starter is often injured, or is old. Again Maroney, White, Addai, Mike Bell. Hell even look at Buckhalter from Philly...he ALWAYS gets hurt but lastnight he looks good and is a better value than Moats.
 
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^^^ that's what i was lookin for.

honestly i'm surprised people thought my team looks as good as they've said. when i woke up this morning and looked at the draft picks from last night i assumed i'd be in a race for the bottom of the league.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
^^^ that's what i was lookin for.

honestly i'm surprised people thought my team looks as good as they've said. when i woke up this morning and looked at the draft picks from last night i assumed i'd be in a race for the bottom of the league.
It's risky but with Green and Brees you may be able to package Manning for a good rb and wr to a team hard up at qb. Maybe get somthing like a Lamont Jordan & Javon Walker sort of a trade you would bolster both rb and wr postion hugely and still have viable qb's to get you through.

Check who has Harrison and throw the whole qb wr combo at them and they just may bite.
 

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I dont think Boldin will be as bad as you predicted. I know the ball is gonna spread around a lot more in Arizona, but Warner is still 1st place all time in completion percentage and 2nd place in passer rating (I think). The Cardinals had an amazing air attack last year, and I think Boldin will still put up good numbers to help out with Chad Johnson. But if you're predicting that Warner will be on his back for most of the game, then you're saying the line is gonna suck ass. And if the line sucks ass, then who knows how good Edge will be? He's only played behind the Colts line, and he shouldn't be given as much credit until we can see how good he is with the Cardinals line.

I agree with your running back assessment, but you have to keep in mind that Willie Parker is completely incapable of getting short yardage. Look at how the Steelers played last year. Cowher would use a back to get all the way to the end zone, and then the minute they had a 1st and goal he'd throw in a big back like Bettis and have him score all the TDs. CB - you should watch the running back competition in Pittsburgh before getting ride of Duce. He didn't look good against the Cardinals, but I guarantee he'll end up starting a few games, have a few 100 yard games, and its possible that he'll be used in the red zone for EVERY single rushing TD. He wont be a good starter, but he'd be a nice compliment to another back, especially in a league where TDs can make a huge difference.

All in all though, I gotta say that's a fair assessment. I was just a little surprised when you said the team wouldn't be all the great. If it wasn't for running backs (which CB could definitely package up with a kicker, QB, and RB in exchange for someone better than Lewis), I'd say that's a pretty solid team.
 

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@CB - How do the other teams in your league look? How did the guy with the first pick do?

I agree that you might not score too many points without a game breaking RB...which could put you at the bottom of the standings...but aside from that you ended up with a LOT more picks than I would have been able to manage.
 
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The team looks better than I thought it would. I don’t really like the auto draft thing, especially because I picked last. I wasn’t very optimistic and I didn’t think I would end up with the QB situation I’m in even. I was expecting to have only decent TE’s, Kickers and Defense and that’s ALL. Then I was hoping to squeek out some kind of trades so that I wouldn’t come in dead last.

I hadn’t really thought about dishing Manning, but it’s a good idea if the trade is right.

Here’s what the other 9 teams look like.

1:

Tom Brady, NE QB
RB Carnell Williams, TB RB
RB/WR Clinton Portis*, Was RB
WR Marvin Harrison, Ind WR
WR Plaxico Burress, NYG WR
TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG TE P
D/ST Bengals D/ST, Cin D/ST
K Jeff Reed, Pit K
Bench Jake Delhomme, Car QB
Bench Donald Driver, GB WR
Bench Chris Cooley, Was TE
Bench Derrick Mason, Bal WR
Bench Jerry Porter, Oak WR
Bench Muhsin Muhammad, Chi WR
Bench Kellen Winslow, Cle TE P
Bench Brandon Stokley*, Ind WR


2:

QB Matt Hasselbeck, Sea QB
RB Rudi Johnson, Cin RB
RB/WR Willis McGahee,
WR Nate Burleson, Sea WR
WR Reggie Brown, Phi WR P
TE Tony Gonzalez, KC TE
D/ST Eagles D/ST, Phi D/ST
K John Kasay, Car K
Bench Julius Jones, Dal RB
Chester Taylor, Min RB
Bench Laurence Maroney, NE RB
Bench Samkon Gado, GB RB
Bench Marc Bulger, StL QB
Bench Brandon Lloyd, Was WR
Bench Amani Toomer, NYG WR
Bench Terry Glenn, Dal WR P


3:

QB Brett Favre, GB
RB LaMont Jordan, Oak
RB/WR Tatum Bell, Den RB
WR Steve Smith, Car WR
WR Randy Moss, Oak WR
TE Antonio Gates, SD TE
D/ST Seahawks D/ST, Sea
K Lawrence Tynes, KC K
Bench Thomas Jones, Chi RB
Bench Fred Taylor, Jac RB
Bench DeAngelo Williams, Car RB
Bench Keenan McCardell, SD WR
Bench T.J. Duckett, Atl RB
Bench Donte' Stallworth, NO WR
Bench Mark Brunell, Was QB
Bench Keyshawn Johnson, Car WR

4

QB Carson Palmer, Cin QB
RB Steven Jackson, StL RB
RB/WR Ronnie Brown, Mia RB
WR Chris Chambers, Mia WR P
WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Cin WR
TE L.J. Smith, Phi TE
D/ST Dolphins D/ST, Mia D/ST
K Shayne Graham, Cin K P
Bench Kevin Jones, Det RB
Bench Lee Evans, Buf WR
Bench Deion Branch, NE WR
Bench Braylon Edwards, Cle WR
Bench Marion Barber, Dal RB
Bench Matt Jones, Jac WR
Bench Brandon Jacobs, NYG RB
Bench Ernest Wilford, Jac WR

5

QB Eli Manning, NYG QB
RB Tiki Barber, NYG RB
RB/WR Domanick Davis, Hou RB P
WR Joe Horn, NO WR
WR David Givens, Ten WR
TE Ben Troupe, Ten TE
D/ST Ravens D/ST, Bal D/ST
K Neil Rackers, Ari K
Bench Reggie Bush, NO RB
Bench Reuben Droughns, Cle RB
Bench Ahman Green, GB RB Q
Bench Deuce McAllister, NO RB Q
Bench Drew Bledsoe, Dal QB
Bench Koren Robinson*, Min WR
Bench Aaron Brooks, Oak QB
Bench Jason Elam, Den K P

6

QB Kurt Warner, Ari QB
RB Edgerrin James, Ari RB
RB/WR Willie Parker, Pit RB
WR Terrell Owens, Dal WR P
WR Larry Fitzgerald, Ari WR
TE Randy McMichael, Mia TE
D/ST Steelers D/ST, Pit D/ST
K Josh Brown, Sea K
Bench Warrick Dunn, Atl RB
Bench Chris Brown, Ten RB
Bench Dominic Rhodes, Ind RB
Bench Curtis Martin*, NYJ RB
Bench Drew Bennett, Ten WR
Bench Jerramy Stevens, Sea TE P
Bench Giants D/ST, NYG
Bench Billy Volek, Ten QB

7

QB Byron Leftwich, Jac QB
RB LaDainian Tomlinson, SD RB
RB/WR Brian Westbrook, Phi RB
WR Torry Holt, StL WR
WR Reggie Wayne, Ind WR
TE Ben Watson, NE TE
D/ST Buccaneers D/ST, TB
K David Akers, Phi K
Bench Corey Dillon, NE RB
Bench Roy Williams, Det WR
Bench Javon Walker, Den WR
Bench Frank Gore, SF RB
Bench LenDale White, Ten
Bench Mewelde Moore, Min RB
Bench Eddie Kennison, KC WR
Bench Michael Vick, Atl QB

8

QB Jake Plummer, Den QB
RB Larry Johnson, KC RB
RB/WR Joey Galloway, TB
WR Hines Ward, Pit WR P
WR Santana Moss, Was WR
TE Jason Witten, Dal TE
D/ST Bears D/ST, Chi D/ST
K Olindo Mare, Mia
Bench Andre Johnson, Hou WR
Bench Rod Smith, Den WR P
Bench Ron Dayne, Den RB
Bench Mike Bell, Den RB
Bench Priest Holmes*, KC
Bench Joe Jurevicius, Cle WR
Bench Greg Jones, Jac RB
Bench Chris Perry*, Cin RB O



9 = guy with first pick

QB Donovan McNabb, Phi QB
RB Shaun Alexander, Sea RB
RB/WR Joseph Addai, Ind RB
WR Darrell Jackson*, Sea WR
WR Laveranues Coles, NYJ WR
TE Heath Miller, Pit TE
D/ST Panthers D/ST, Car
K Jeff Wilkins, StL
Bench Ben Roethlisberger, Pit QB P
Bench DeShaun Foster, Car RB
Bench Cedric Benson*, Chi RB
Bench Mike Anderson, Bal RB
Bench Daunte Culpepper, Mia QB
Bench Kevan Barlow, SF RB
Bench Vernon Davis, SF TE
Bench Jon Kitna, Det QB
 
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I dont think Boldin will be as bad as you predicted. I know the ball is gonna spread around a lot more in Arizona, but Warner is still 1st place all time in completion percentage and 2nd place in passer rating (I think). The Cardinals had an amazing air attack last year, and I think Boldin will still put up good numbers to help out with Chad Johnson. But if you're predicting that Warner will be on his back for most of the game, then you're saying the line is gonna suck ass. And if the line sucks ass, then who knows how good Edge will be? He's only played behind the Colts line, and he shouldn't be given as much credit until we can see how good he is with the Cardinals line.

I agree with your running back assessment, but you have to keep in mind that Willie Parker is completely incapable of getting short yardage. Look at how the Steelers played last year. Cowher would use a back to get all the way to the end zone, and then the minute they had a 1st and goal he'd throw in a big back like Bettis and have him score all the TDs. CB - you should watch the running back competition in Pittsburgh before getting ride of Duce. He didn't look good against the Cardinals, but I guarantee he'll end up starting a few games, have a few 100 yard games, and its possible that he'll be used in the red zone for EVERY single rushing TD. He wont be a good starter, but he'd be a nice compliment to another back, especially in a league where TDs can make a huge difference.

All in all though, I gotta say that's a fair assessment. I was just a little surprised when you said the team wouldn't be all the great. If it wasn't for running backs (which CB could definitely package up with a kicker, QB, and RB in exchange for someone better than Lewis), I'd say that's a pretty solid team.
Boldin could be huge yes, but look at where Warner played to gain that percentage. A fast paced offense, where as AZ is not. I agree I don't think Edge will get that many yards either, certainly not Indy #'s, but that is still more touches going his way as opposed to what happend in AZ last year with no good back.

If Duce was capabale of getting the td's Philly would have kept him as they run the same offense, let westbrook get it down there and that's it, That's westbrooks only downfall. That is why I said for him to go after buckhalter.

I didn't say it was a shit team, but he has more then enough room for improvement...BUT he has the depth to go and get him the improvment so that is good.
 
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Fitzgerald last year:
16 games 103 receptions 1409 yds 13.7 avg per catch 10 TDs

Boldin last year:
14 games 102 receptions 1402 yds 13.7 avg per catch 7 TDs

^^^^I guess im a little confused on why you would be "concerned" with Anquan?Larry and Anquan had identical numbers last year...you have 2 of the most talented balanced WRs at your disposal...and obviously Kurt shared the love EQUALLY....

Now HEALTH concerns with Anquan might be a better factor....
 
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Team 4 & 7 look GOOD.

Try to swing a trade with team 3...He needs a qb like nobody's business, maybe go after Lamont or Jones and 1 of his wr's.
 
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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
Fitzgerald last year:
16 games 103 receptions 1409 yds 13.7 avg per catch 10 TDs

Boldin last year:
14 games 102 receptions 1402 yds 13.7 avg per catch 7 TDs

^^^^I guess im a little confused on why you would be "concerned" with Anquan?Larry and Anquan had identical numbers last year...you have 2 of the most talented balanced WRs at your disposal...and obviously Kurt shared the love EQUALLY....

Now HEALTH concerns with Anquan might be a better factor....
That was also with no running game...when you get a running game your #2 wr numbers go down.

But like I Boldin don't get me wrong, but there is room for improvemtn after him, and maybe even in his spot
 
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Even with Edge...do you really think they are gonna lighten up THAT much in the passing game?If anything...it might INFLATE the numbers....i mean look at St.Louis...they had 2 recievers go over 1000 yds AND Marshal did the running and catching...now im not saying that Edge is Faulk...but they are similar....marrinate on that one...

This will spread the field more for AZ....
 
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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
Even with Edge...do you really think they are gonna lighten up THAT much in the passing game?If anything...it might INFLATE the numbers....i mean look at St.Louis...they had 2 recievers go over 1000 yds AND Marshal did the running and catching...now im not saying that Edge is Faulk...but they are similar....marrinate on that one...

This will spread the field more for AZ....
Stl also had a way better line and a faster offense. AZ doesn't run the quick routes as much as Stl did. Not too mention you will always have better #'s on turf then you will grass.

Edge will open things up only if he gets the same #'s as in Indy, but I do not see that happening.
 
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Stl also had a way better line and a faster offense. AZ doesn't run the quick routes as much as Stl did. Not too mention you will always have better #'s on turf then you will grass.

Edge will open things up only if he gets the same #'s as in Indy, but I do not see that happening.
Good points....is the new AZ stadium grass or field turf?

And i agree that...in order for AZ to do ANYTHING this year...the OL is gonna have to show some kind of resistance and hold up...