Stereotypes vs Archetypes

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There is a belief circulating that Steretypes don't really exist any more, and everyone is mostly open-minded (except for the most ignorant and isolated among us). While true...this DOES NOT MEAN that those Stereotypes are not being replaced by ARCHETYPES. This is my firm belief.

I don't normally use Dictionary.com to help prove my points, but I felt it was necessary here for some background:


ar·che·type
Pronunciation Key (ärk-tp)
n.

1. An original model or type after which other similar things are patterned; a prototype: “‘Frankenstein’... ‘Dracula’... ‘Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde’... the archetypes that have influenced all subsequent horror stories” (New York Times).

2. An ideal example of a type; quintessence: an archetype of the successful entrepreneur.

3. In Jungian psychology, an inherited pattern of thought or symbolic imagery derived from the past collective experience and present in the individual unconscious.



And then:

ster·e·o·type
Pronunciation Key (str--tp, stîr-)
n.

1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.
3. Printing. A metal printing plate cast from a matrix molded from a raised printing surface, such as type.




The two things in bold are what I am focusing on here, and the topic, of course, is Minorities, Discrimination, or whatever other word you choose for it. We are at a point in time right now where (and I'm not sure how to word this) perceptiveness of Blackness is at an all-time high (I will not speak for Latinos, but I am sure some of you Non-Spanish Speakers feel some of this as well).

I feel that, for several reasons, Blacks have been designated #1 for Archetyping, and the process is building up more and more steam, and becoming almost unstoppable.

If you are, say, a Black person that dresses 'casually', votes Republican, doesn't 'speak Black', and so on......you are essentially a Social Leper. This is one of the most unique situations there is among any race in America.

AND WORSE...ABSOLUTELY WORSE than that.....you will have White people (and some Asians/Latinos, but fewer) who, because they were raised "around Black people", will actually have the nerve to tell you you "aren't [acting] Black". It is truly amazing...and I feel that this ideology and perception is on the rise.

This of course, and always, comes full circle back to politics and political affiliations, therefore, attitudes regarding society and culture as a whole.

This is basically the 21st Century version of Divide and Conquer. The White Man is free to be of any political affiliation he/she so chooses, and he/she is smart enough to divide those numbers roughly in half. --- The Black Man, on the other hand, is expected to vote ONLY for Democrats, to believe in Liberal ideals like Unrestricted Abortion, Legalized Drugs, Income Redistribution, and so on.

This is further complicated by the fact that White Liberals are now breaking themselves down even further: Rich 'Democrats' (different from Republicans in 'very few' regards).....and 'Poor' to 'Middle Class' Label-less people (Liberals, basically).

But I digress......allow me to conclude.

If you are a Black man and no longer believe in these things I outlined above...forget not fitting a STEREOTYPE...you are now, IMO, not fitting an ARCHETYPE, an expected social norm designated for YOUR color and ethnicity.

In other countries, this is known as a CASTE SYSTEM. In our country, we don't even have a name for it yet because people don't realize whats going on.
 

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i actually agree with you...the expectactions for a black person to vote a certain way are just so believed its crazy...what i have to say about a stereotype vs. an archetype is that an archetype seems more rigid than a stereotype...and i think honestly, that there is more than one black stereotype, (more than one type of black person, for example) that would make it not an archetype.
 
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^^ I think I am either misunderstanding the end of what you said, or you read something differently than I did.

An Archetype has the connotation of being PREFERRED, therefore GOOD. A Stereotype is generally believed to be an OVERSIMPLIFICATION, therefore BAD.

The flexibility Black people used to have is being slowly and systematically destroyed, and replaced with this Neo-Liberal Auto-Ideology. It started with the Assassinations of MLK Jr and Malcolm X--both Social Conservatives who preached the word of God--and it is continuing into the present day.

The result, of course, has been the absolute marginalization of the Black population. Republicans can't gain Black voters...Democrats can't lose them if they tried. So neither side benefits for sticking their neck out for Blacks, as opposed to ACTUAL SWING-VOTERS like Latinos.

TROLL said:
how much does this have to do with race as opposed to political affiliation?
They are all inter-twined.

1) Black people are expected, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO VOTE, to vote Democrat; and if they DON'T vote, they are expected to trash the government non-stop, and ESPECIALLY trash Republican-led Governments.

2) Not only are they (we) expected to vote and protest these ways, they (we) are expected to believe in the ideals and ideologies they represent.

The combination of the two has created the Archetype and what emerges from it. The result is that you have White Liberals running around actually deciding and declaring what IS and ISN'T Black.

I can only speak from my perspective, but I would not be suprised if Chicanos or Asians are starting to feel this same way (though not NEARLY to the same extent).
 
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So are you assuming that black people that vote democrat are doing so because they see it as the "black" thing to do and not because they thought the person they voted for was just the better individual for the position?
 
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it doesn't matter what party you vote for...
they are both controled by the illuminait.
I knew knew felt this before i even looked them up.

If you think you vote counts for anything. Which it doesn't... just look up Skull and Bones and Illuminait online. All parties and forms of policitcs is controled by them.

But since you are blinded by their media.. go ahead and THINK you vote will change anything. You only have 90 years to live... don't waste more than half of it thinking anything will change with a single vote.

It is all controlled by the ALL SEEING EYE, the Illuminait, and they are close to bringing the New World Order. call me crazy .. but do what you want.

If you did any research on ANY of this.. You would see that your vote really does not affect anything.. at all.

But keep beliveing in democracy.. little do you know.. it died when the Kennedy's were killed.

Goodnight. Lucifer bless america... which is their GOD.

Look up Freemasonry.. to see who REALLY runs the country!
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
^^ Voting, period, isn't the point. Voting Republican however is an automatic Red Flag, and triggers an immediate review of one's Blackness.......THAT is the problem.
Ah, I got you. I think that just has more to do with the fact that the vast majority of black voters tend to vote democrat. Though, I think the way you vote is more directly related to social status and financial status than race, because there would be a lot of people that would say that the black thing to do would be to not vote at all because no rich white man, republican or democrat, has the black community's concerns on their mind, so you would then have your blackness questioned for voting at all. This is only an "issue" within the black community, and with those non blacks who as you said, "grew up around blacks." The white folks dont care cause no matter how you vote, dress, speak, walk, wipe your ass, etc, you are always gonna be just another porch monkey.
 
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^^ And thats just the thing. There's that whole mentality that has been going on for hundreds of years, but these days, it is being REPLACED.

Its New REPLACEMENT is one that says "It doesn't matter who you vote for".....then you vote Republican, and you get, "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU UNCLE TOM?"

No other Race or Ethnicity in history, I'm telling you.

Mi$ta-Murda187 said:
it doesn't matter what party you vote for...
they are both controled by the illuminait.
I knew knew felt this before i even looked them up.

If you think you vote counts for anything. Which it doesn't... just look up Skull and Bones and Illuminait online. All parties and forms of policitcs is controled by them.

But since you are blinded by their media.. go ahead and THINK you vote will change anything. You only have 90 years to live... don't waste more than half of it thinking anything will change with a single vote.

It is all controlled by the ALL SEEING EYE, the Illuminait, and they are close to bringing the New World Order. call me crazy .. but do what you want.

If you did any research on ANY of this.. You would see that your vote really does not affect anything.. at all.

But keep beliveing in democracy.. little do you know.. it died when the Kennedy's were killed.

Goodnight. Lucifer bless america... which is their GOD.

Look up Freemasonry.. to see who REALLY runs the country!
...Says the man with a bazillion kkkapitalist links in his HUMONGOUS, attention-whore-sized signature. Some of you guys seriously crack me the fuck up.

"THE SKY IS ABOUT TO FALL.....!!!!! But while you wait, feel free to check out my hit new single, off my upcoming album, available now on www dot..." -- Just pathetic. We won't even get into the $ and 187 in your name.

Honestly...can't you find somewhere ELSE to spread your disinformation? I know you were given an assignment to come here and mislead, but for fucks sake.......
 
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stereotypes are true, to a certain extent...i mean, yea certain ppl of a certain group really do a lot of "stereotypical" things...thats why they become stereotypes...not everyone of the "group" but a good majority...im not saying its a good or bad thing...it is what it is....and if you can sit back and laugh at them, its whatever...
 

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RasputinOnOne said:
stereotypes are true, to a certain extent...i mean, yea certain ppl of a certain group really do a lot of "stereotypical" things...thats why they become stereotypes...not everyone of the "group" but a good majority...im not saying its a good or bad thing...it is what it is....and if you can sit back and laugh at them, its whatever...
Can you please give us some examples?
 
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If you're telling me that you are a social and fiscal conservative and you vote as such in your local and state elections, then more power to you. Martin and Malcom both taught restraint and clearly saw the lines between African Americans and Niggaz (a la Chris Rock).

If you're telling me that you are a Republican across the board, living in Florida, and that you would gladly vote for Jeb and George W again, then I would say that the proper authorites need to audit your hood pass.
 

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Dirty Shoez said:
"It doesn't matter who you vote for".....then you vote Republican, and you get, "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU UNCLE TOM?"

I take it you are afraid to contest ^^^^^^^ that right there?
Not wishing to contest something because it wasn't worth addressing is far from fear. There is nothing you nor anyone else can type that would place me in a position of being afraid. Now that we have that out of the way I'll address your point.

First off, you have to address who this is happening to and who is doing it. Are people calling you "Uncle Tom" because you vote a certain way, or are you simply saying this is what happens when certain people address black republicans? Do these people even know the MEANING of the term/name, or are they repeating something they believe is offensive and applicable? If these things are happening to you (being a social leper and being called an uncle tom), I would say the people don't RESPECT you. You have people on BOTH sides asking "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU UNCLE TOM?", thus making these antics non-exclusive to black democrats and those who were raised around blacks.

I believe some people may label you as a "tom" because they don't know the correct term to call you or because you are a conservative. When certain people think of republicans they think of the "conservatives" of old, and this may be the origin of the stigma. What are the values the conservatives are trying to conserve? Do these values stem from old practices that were designed to hinder black growth? Again, this may be the contributing factor for you (or any black republican) being labeled an "uncle tom."

Personally, I feel all blacks who partake in/promote politics on a national scale are Amos & Andy, Stepin Fetchit or Sambo (in some shape, form or fashion.) In addition, I fell your strong points are:

So neither side benefits for sticking their neck out for Blacks
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The result is that you have White Liberals running around actually deciding and declaring what IS and ISN'T Black.
However, with the first one I have to ask you a question. When has EITHER side EVER stuck their necks out for black people? When has either side ever done something that TRULY helped black people? As far as the second one...well....you have had that happening for sometime now and will continue to happen. Take this message board as an example, and look at some of the comments the white males from 14-26 make (and I am NOT referring to those who post in THIS forum.)