ok god says to be good and help others and not be greedy right? well then why is he greedy and let ppl suffer? he wants us to do EVERYTHING he says. well we dont do everything he asks and he does forgive us. its just so messed up!!! i'm young and have to go through life to have my questions answered. but its driving me crazy that i cant have answers, i guess i'm greedy myself. i sin too much but compared to other ppl im doin alright
something to think about
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To add to my last message.....
Regarding what Blight said:
God does not make anyone suffer and he does not despise.
God knows nothing of suffering. If he did, he wouldn't be God as we know God. God's vision is perfect. He sees not the evil that we do. He knows of no limitation, or bondage, or hate, or ignorance, and especially of no suffering.
Regarding what Blight said:
God does not make anyone suffer and he does not despise.
God knows nothing of suffering. If he did, he wouldn't be God as we know God. God's vision is perfect. He sees not the evil that we do. He knows of no limitation, or bondage, or hate, or ignorance, and especially of no suffering.
wait a sec, if god sees no evil then why do some ppl "go" to hell? the devil takes us? well i think the devil is runnin things right now and god needs to help us. we all need help. i've been prayin everynight to forgive me for my sins and please make my life better. but has it?? hell no, it got worse. i'm not a saint but i'm not a devil worshipper. i try to be good but i get no repsect from my fellow humans. i dont have to answer to god for a while, but i have to face ppl everyday! i'm too corrupted and i despartly need god's help. i hope he anwsers soon cuz i'm bout to destroy myself!!!
Furio,
as much as I don't want to sound like a religious science seminar...... The power is within you. God changes your life only through your own mind. For how else can anything be brought upon you, but through mind? Now, about the devil.... Ask yourself this, what power does the devil have? If you are to realize that God is The Only Power, then the answer is, none. The worst idea that is believed by many is the one that says that God has an opponent. If God had an opponent, (this opponent would have to hold power of his own to be worthy of the term), God wouldn't be all-powerful. Hence, if the devil has no true power, then he has no power over you. Never did, never will. The "power" of the devil is an illusion. I cannot stress this enough. God, the absolute, sends no one to hell. We put ourselves through hell, and that seems to be what you are doing right now. Try to understand that there are people in similar situations as you, and some even worse, who have a great faith in life even through rough times. It is hard to see in such a state as you seem to be in, I have been there. The answers are always right there. When you no longer see evil you will no longer experience it. The less you conceive of suffering, the less you will endure suffering. This is obvious truth. That is how 2 men can be in the same situations and one be miserable and the other happy. There is absolutely no law that says you must suffer. Try to be understanding of your fellow humans. Believe that they are doing the best they can with what they have and try to help them. Know that there is only love, not hate. Hate is merely a "blockage" of love. It is not an opponent to God's divine love. Look at all that you have endured in your life. And see yourself now! See the very life within and without yourself. You have made it very far. It is on the verge of destruction when some of the greatest spiritual awakenings occur. Have faith, my friend, you have no need to worry about anything..........
as much as I don't want to sound like a religious science seminar...... The power is within you. God changes your life only through your own mind. For how else can anything be brought upon you, but through mind? Now, about the devil.... Ask yourself this, what power does the devil have? If you are to realize that God is The Only Power, then the answer is, none. The worst idea that is believed by many is the one that says that God has an opponent. If God had an opponent, (this opponent would have to hold power of his own to be worthy of the term), God wouldn't be all-powerful. Hence, if the devil has no true power, then he has no power over you. Never did, never will. The "power" of the devil is an illusion. I cannot stress this enough. God, the absolute, sends no one to hell. We put ourselves through hell, and that seems to be what you are doing right now. Try to understand that there are people in similar situations as you, and some even worse, who have a great faith in life even through rough times. It is hard to see in such a state as you seem to be in, I have been there. The answers are always right there. When you no longer see evil you will no longer experience it. The less you conceive of suffering, the less you will endure suffering. This is obvious truth. That is how 2 men can be in the same situations and one be miserable and the other happy. There is absolutely no law that says you must suffer. Try to be understanding of your fellow humans. Believe that they are doing the best they can with what they have and try to help them. Know that there is only love, not hate. Hate is merely a "blockage" of love. It is not an opponent to God's divine love. Look at all that you have endured in your life. And see yourself now! See the very life within and without yourself. You have made it very far. It is on the verge of destruction when some of the greatest spiritual awakenings occur. Have faith, my friend, you have no need to worry about anything..........
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I have an answer. I will reply later. I have to go to the libary to scan papers. I wish everyone will read them and get a sense of what I have scanned. You will understand what I post up later, hopefully....
Remember the second of the religious hypohtheis is that concentrating on the life after this will make this life better....
Remember the second of the religious hypohtheis is that concentrating on the life after this will make this life better....
@n9newunsixx5150
When I see you I'm gonna stab you right in the toe and lock you in a cage. Don't percieve it as suffeing and you should find Heaven. Keep in mind tho, I plan on keepin you there till you die. I wish all my slaves were as happy as you cuz then I'd be rich and could still slap you around whenever I feel like it, and you'd not only not hate me for this but you would enjoy it.
Wake up out of la-la land homey Heaven ain't got no ghettos.
@BaSICCally
You got it backwards. Concentrating on this life is what gets you to the next one. Focus. Get to the root.
@Blight
If I ever steal an eraser off you because I'm so freakin starvin that even an eraser looks good to eat, and you got ten thousand of them... then I don't owe you shit.
In the words of Zion I,
"I'll fight for what I want, But I'll die for what need/ And I watch my people bleed as vultures steady feed/".
@Everybody
Who Says that God doesn't help us? He wiped out the whole world for Noah. And He's about to do it again for us.
God doesn't know despise? God is Love. NOTHING hates more, protects harder, or takes vengence with as much fury as Love, nothing.
-Ender
When I see you I'm gonna stab you right in the toe and lock you in a cage. Don't percieve it as suffeing and you should find Heaven. Keep in mind tho, I plan on keepin you there till you die. I wish all my slaves were as happy as you cuz then I'd be rich and could still slap you around whenever I feel like it, and you'd not only not hate me for this but you would enjoy it.
Wake up out of la-la land homey Heaven ain't got no ghettos.
@BaSICCally
You got it backwards. Concentrating on this life is what gets you to the next one. Focus. Get to the root.
@Blight
If I ever steal an eraser off you because I'm so freakin starvin that even an eraser looks good to eat, and you got ten thousand of them... then I don't owe you shit.
In the words of Zion I,
"I'll fight for what I want, But I'll die for what need/ And I watch my people bleed as vultures steady feed/".
@Everybody
Who Says that God doesn't help us? He wiped out the whole world for Noah. And He's about to do it again for us.
God doesn't know despise? God is Love. NOTHING hates more, protects harder, or takes vengence with as much fury as Love, nothing.
-Ender
@Ender
Its typical that you bring up the extreme conditions of pain and suffering. I never said me, myself have overcome such extremities. But, there have been others! There have been people that can go into a state of meditation where they transcend pain all together. There are some who, by the power of their own mind, have been able to stop the bloodflow from certain parts in their body. So, when pricked with a needle, they draw no blood. Their are many examples further proving that state of mind is everything. But, in no place did I ever state that I could transcend such conditions, at least not at the moment. One doesn't live their life searching for the most extreme amounts of pain just in order to test themselves and their mind power. It isn't neccessary. If and when conditions like that arise, you do your best to adapt. ALL IS MIND. That fact is obvious to any who has a mind and but thinks about it for a minute, realizing that the mind in which they use to think of this question is how they experience their reality. Nothing that you experience happens through you elsewhere. Its all in mind.
Its typical that you bring up the extreme conditions of pain and suffering. I never said me, myself have overcome such extremities. But, there have been others! There have been people that can go into a state of meditation where they transcend pain all together. There are some who, by the power of their own mind, have been able to stop the bloodflow from certain parts in their body. So, when pricked with a needle, they draw no blood. Their are many examples further proving that state of mind is everything. But, in no place did I ever state that I could transcend such conditions, at least not at the moment. One doesn't live their life searching for the most extreme amounts of pain just in order to test themselves and their mind power. It isn't neccessary. If and when conditions like that arise, you do your best to adapt. ALL IS MIND. That fact is obvious to any who has a mind and but thinks about it for a minute, realizing that the mind in which they use to think of this question is how they experience their reality. Nothing that you experience happens through you elsewhere. Its all in mind.
alright then, if god doesnt see evil and doest see suffering, then why did noahs ark happen?? god didnt like all the evil in the world right?? he had to see it to destroy it. and if god has no opponent then what makes us bad, if we should all believe in god and know if were good we go to heaven why arent we good? isnt there an old philosopher who said that ppl are naturally wicked, i think it was martin luther but im not sure. why r we so wicked when we know god is watching, we dont steal if we know a camera is watching us in a store, why would we do somthin wrong when we know or if we know that god is watching?
Furio,
What you conceive as "suffering" is very well suffering in your relative thought. But, to God it is not. You dwell on suffering. God does not. Noahs ark in the absolute perspective of God wasn't a tragedy. Its only a tragedy to us. Death is only real to us. And even then, death is not destruction! we ultimately fear our own destruction. We shouldn't because there is none! God only sees pure continuous life. And that is the reality. One continuous life! Death can be better interpreted as another part of life's transition. What we conceive as "the afterlife", to God, is just LIFE! God doesn't divide life into segments as we do. There is only unity, absolutely. We are subject to the illusory idea of a multitude of things which are more than often misperceived as separate and isolated from each other. This illusion of a "multitudinous" world without realizing the unity behind it is called "Maya" in the hindu religion. It is not to say that this "multitude" itself is an illusion. Just to believe in it as the ultimate reality is. It is only half of reality. it is the "relative" perspective. As is the idea of unity an "absolute" one.
What you conceive as "suffering" is very well suffering in your relative thought. But, to God it is not. You dwell on suffering. God does not. Noahs ark in the absolute perspective of God wasn't a tragedy. Its only a tragedy to us. Death is only real to us. And even then, death is not destruction! we ultimately fear our own destruction. We shouldn't because there is none! God only sees pure continuous life. And that is the reality. One continuous life! Death can be better interpreted as another part of life's transition. What we conceive as "the afterlife", to God, is just LIFE! God doesn't divide life into segments as we do. There is only unity, absolutely. We are subject to the illusory idea of a multitude of things which are more than often misperceived as separate and isolated from each other. This illusion of a "multitudinous" world without realizing the unity behind it is called "Maya" in the hindu religion. It is not to say that this "multitude" itself is an illusion. Just to believe in it as the ultimate reality is. It is only half of reality. it is the "relative" perspective. As is the idea of unity an "absolute" one.