SOME WORDS OF WISDOM

[[ n a v ]]

sup yall,
im nav and im new to gathering of minds so id like to introduce myself formally. i do the rap thing and all that, but i also study psych, philosophy, quantum physics and a buncha other stuff (religion, politics, history and all that) so hopefully you'll take my opinions seriously.

ON THAT NOTE, id like to offer some words of wisdom ive come across lately. Please feel free to ask about them or offer your opinions and interpretations of them.

-It is only when you have mastered the art of loving that you can truly love others. It's only when you have opened your heart that you can touch the heart of others. When you feel centered and alive, you are in a much better position to be a better person.

-Never overlook the power of simplicity.

-Your Vision will come clear only when you look into your heart.
Who looks outside, dreams:
Who looks inside, awakens.

-Mind management is the essence of life management.

-To transcend pain, you must first experience it.

-The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master.

-The boundaries of your life are mereley creations of the self.

-The key to happiness: Find out what you truly love to do and then direct all you energy towards doing it.

-There is nothing noble about being superior to some other person. True nobility lies in being superior to your former self.

-The PURPOSE OF LIFE, is a LIFE OF PURPOSE.

~"spotting the pot of tea he began pouring it into the cup. he poured until the cup was full - but he kept pouring! 'what are you doing? my cup is overflowing. no matter how hard you try, no more will go in!' i yelled impatiently. he looked at me for a long moment.
"please dont take this the wrong way. i really respect you. i always have. however, just like this cup, you seem to be full of your own ideas.
How can more ever go in?
Until you first EMPTY YOUR CUP?"

 

[Hutch]

Welcome to GOM Nav. I like that 'the mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master' quote, I've heard it before but don't remember who said it. I saw another good one the other day in the window of my local bookshop - not sure of the exact words, but something to this effect: 'he who choses not to read a good book is no more enlightened than he who cannot read' (Mark Twain).

That cup metaphor is pretty good too - sounds like something Confucious would have said. It's almost impossible to empty our mental cups though, humans have always gripped tightly onto their own preconceived notions of reality. It's not just their own ideas, but the ideas of their peirs too - that's why it took Einstein over two hundred years to overthrow Newtons mechanics while his predecessors, all of whom presumed Newtons theory to be true, didn't even try. Still, the cup should never be fully emptied, maybe just remove half in order to expunge any cogent but false detrital theories and beliefs (including religion IMO). GOM should start a philosophy thread...

 

[Stealth]

GOM should start a philosophy thread...

Not a bad idea...but I've always felt philosophy is a matter of opinion.

 

[[ n a v ]]

Welcome to GOM Nav. I like that 'the mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master' quote, I've heard it before but don't remember who said it. I saw another good one the other day in the window of my local bookshop - not sure of the exact words, but something to this effect: 'he who choses not to read a good book is no more enlightened than he who cannot read' (Mark Twain).

That cup metaphor is pretty good too - sounds like something Confucious would have said. It's almost impossible to empty our mental cups though, humans have always gripped tightly onto their own preconceived notions of reality. It's not just their own ideas, but the ideas of their peirs too - that's why it took Einstein over two hundred years to overthrow Newtons mechanics while his predecessors, all of whom presumed Newtons theory to be true, didn't even try. Still, the cup should never be fully emptied, maybe just remove half in order to expunge any cogent but false detrital theories and beliefs (including religion IMO). GOM should start a philosophy thread...

i saw that mark twain quote a couple days ago actually i like that too.

true that humans grip tightly to their perceptions of reality. whats even more sad to me is how so many people are able to realize the conditioning that has takin place, and are able to see themselves as puppets of our society, and even at that point still feel that trying to change is futile. its almost as if one would have to be born and raised in a place like tibet or something to be able to explore all that is human potential, for as long as we live in a place like this those possibilities are stripped from our imagination since conception. but i suppose freedom of mind must come from within regardless of habitat. doesnt help with all the advertisers shoving false ideas of happiness in our heads haha.

and a philosophy thread would be dope

 

[Stealth]

How would living in Tibet free our mind as opposed to living in America? What possibilities and human potential am I missing out on by being here?

 

[[ n a v ]]

the american society is designed to keep ones active mind always on. always thinking about the future and what needs to be DONE, what you need to be Doing, the money u need to be making, the work u need to be getting done. this keeps people from simply BEING, keeps them from ever being still and silent and in the present moment. this can be achieved thru meditation. but as long as people never have the time to be still and listen to their own minds, they search for answers elsewhere.

for example, the media. the media, and advertisements, and society in general, tells this person that u cant be happy until u are hanging out with a certain group of people. then they tell u that u cant be accepted by that group without driving X car and wear X clothes and talking X way and so on. this keeps people constantly working, and gives them the illusion that money is their only means of freedom and power. however, what they dont realize is that X clothing and X cars are constantly improving. look at the Throwback craze. people were spending 400 500 dollars on jerseys, only so they could go out of style a few months later and be replaced by 5 dollar white t shirts (which thru clever use of gimicks now go for upwards of 50 dollars). this is the process of controlling society through FEAR. the FEAR of not being good or cool enough. the FEAR that the terrorist threat is now at red instead of yellow. the FEAR that your life is empty and you are stuck as a puppet without any influence over the way reality is

it is said that if a human truly with all their being believed that they could walk on water, that they could. however thru conditioning as a baby and fears that have developed, to ever possibly attempt to think such a thing would be a sliver of hope covering a huge mass of doubt and worry.

the reason this society revolves around this fear based system is for one reason only.
its good for the economy.

the reason i used tibet as an example is people their are void of attachments like money and material possesions. they do not allow negative thoughts like worry and fear to enter their mind, for all thoughts of that nature are purely creations of the mind, leaks in our flow of energy that we create completely out of thin air. with their freedom of mind they have been able to do things most people would label supernatural. levitation, telakenesis, all of these things we deem magical are in the realm of human potential. but we'd rather rely on drugs and possessions for temporary fullfilment, always settling for finite sources of happiness.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Welcome to the GOM.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Tibet

non-violent = No
void of money/material possesions = No
"free" = No

Potala Palace of the Dali Lama in Tibet
Budhism, like any religion (or any group allowed total power), will abuse power when given free reign. Any group given complete control over a nation-state without being answerable to the population will naturally abuse that power.

Look at Tibet during the rule of the Dali Lama. Tibet was a theocratic state, with an exploitive caste system, in which the budhist monk were the ruling class and the only other class being peasants. The peasant were there only to serve the monks. During this time, the ruling monks employed torture, repressed free expression, and controlled every facet of daily life.

The budhist monks who ran Tibet were simply concerned with retaining their previliged place in society. The supernatural or spiritual should never be allowed a strong voice in running a nation. Reason and proof should be employed by those running a nation and the people of that state should always be given the opportunity to remove their leaders when it is necessary.


Bonus factoid: The CIA also funneled millions of dollars to the Dalai Lama in order to fund anti-Chinese resistance forces.

 

[[ n a v ]]

good incite mayn i kno theyre not saints i was simply speakin as an example in Comparison wit the United States, as far as the difference in the quality of life.

 

[HERESY]

Welcome to the GOM, but do you honestly believe anyone should take your opinions serious because you claim to have studied a variety of subjects?

 

[[ n a v ]]

people dont have to do nething they dont want to. i have a perspective im offering to everyone. its like a gift im giving, u can take it or reject it, its up to u.

 

[HERESY]

people dont have to do nething they dont want to. i have a perspective im offering to everyone. its like a gift im giving, u can take it or reject it, its up to u.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[[ n a v ]]

my answer is, i believe people SHOULD be open to all opinions. wether or not they agree with them is completely up to the person.

not everybody with wisdom to offer learned it in a school. i think the best wisdom is the kind that is taught and proven by life itself. I study the subjects just to keep the flame sparked. As humans on this planet, we all have different experiences and different experiences can offer different ways of looking at something. wether or not you learn from it or agree with it is not up to me. im jus sharing my personal thoughts. does that answer your question?

 

[HERESY]

my answer is, i believe people SHOULD be open to all opinions. wether or not they agree with them is completely up to the person.

not everybody with wisdom to offer learned it in a school. i think the best wisdom is the kind that is taught and proven by life itself. I study the subjects just to keep the flame sparked. As humans on this planet, we all have different experiences and different experiences can offer different ways of looking at something. wether or not you learn from it or agree with it is not up to me. im jus sharing my personal thoughts. does that answer your question?

No. Let me lay it out flat for you. You said, "but i also study psych, philosophy, quantum physics and a buncha other stuff (religion, politics, history and all that) so hopefully you'll take my opinions seriously", and as a result of that statement I asked, "...but do you honestly believe anyone should take your opinions serious because you claim to have studied a variety of subjects?" Why should your alleged studies have any validity or warrant a request, demand or hope that people take you serious?

 

[[ n a v ]]

why are you in sucha bad mood is the real question blood.

secondly, why should you believe the dhali lama just cuz hes got credentials. why should you believe the professors of your classes. why should anybodys alleged credentials have any validity. WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS UP TO U

if u dont want to take me serious fine mayn, dont, i could give a fuck.

 

[HERESY]

why are you in sucha bad mood is the real question blood.

First off do you know me personally? No? How would you know if I am in a bad mood or not? Are you sitting here with me as I am typing? No?!?!?! Since "no" is the only logical answer you can come up with, and since we both know the answer is "no", how do you form the assessment that I am in "sucha bad mood"?

secondly, why should you believe the dhali lama just cuz hes got credentials.

Who said I believed in the Dhali Lama? Someone may choose to believe the Dhali Lama because of cultural and religious upbrining and not so much as creditials. Personally, I don't believe the Dhali Lama because I've yet to validate his belief system and the ideaologies/doctrines/dogma he promotes.

why should you believe the professors of your classes.

Because professors have experience and years invested in a particular field. You can research the validity of what a professor is teaching.

why should anybodys alleged credentials have any validity. WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS UP TO U

SEE ABOVE. Also, this is not a matter of what people believe, but a matter of what people take SERIOUS, and these are two different concepts my friend.

if u dont want to take me serious fine mayn, dont, i could give a fuck.

I gave myself that option when I first read the thread.

 

[[ n a v ]]

yaight man fa sho

 

[HERESY]

yaight man fa sho

Again, WELCOME to the GOM.

 

[[ n a v ]]

sweet of u

 

[MaddDogg]

Welcome NavThaShah