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Apr 25, 2002
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The current system is scary, the for-profit companies decides who lives and who dies. All while their share holders get $millions. Half of us are not coverage adequately, not to mention dental/vision. and 20% have NO coverage at all! Is this what you're for?
are you aware that some ins companies are "not-for profit"? im not sure what "for-profit" your talking about.........

if your not covered adequately, thats your bad.....you got 5 kids that need ins, thats your 5 kids, not mine......20% have no coverage, that doesnt mean there not all qualified or finanicially un-able.........that just means there not covered........
some arent covered cus of medical issues, ok...that makes sence right? are you gonna go invest in a fucked up car thats gonna cost you hella money and may not last? isnt insurance something you pay on for when something does happen your covered? do you know how ins companies work?
 
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for starters healthcare shouldn't be ran like "car" insurance. It should be a right for every one to have healthcare. Its been something the american public has wanted for decades.

everybody has health "care"......if your heads busted open, you wont get turned away.........so you have your american "right".......this is not about healthcare, its about health insurance.........

lets start takin some personal fuckin responibility........
 
Nov 24, 2003
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everybody has health "care"......if your heads busted open, you wont get turned away.........so you have your american "right".......this is not about healthcare, its about health insurance.........

lets start takin some personal fuckin responibility........

Good point, I didn't even noticed that he erroneously substituted "health care" for "health insurance" in his reply to my post.

Also, another issue discussed in the article I posted.
 

Miro

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for starters healthcare shouldn't be ran like "car" insurance. It should be a right for every one to have healthcare. Its been something the american public has wanted for decades.
for starters healthcare shouldn't be ran like "car" insurance....

....It should be a right for every one to have healthcare. Its been something the american public has wanted for decades.

Since I just posted a long article why it could be beneficial for almost everyone to run it that way, including the benefits to the quality of care EVERYONE receives, the costs EVERYONE pays, the technological advances EVERYONE enjoys, and the positive social forces EVERYONE experiences.....

....why don't you elaborate or your post that is lacking in any semblance of substance whatsoever?

It should be blah
It should be blah

Why should it be blah other than because that is what you cooked up in your fantasy world where your opinion is the standard? Or is that as far as you take your notions?
LOL @ at your "long article" you posted, woow! what a looong article, anybody else read Mr Nice Guy reposted article? that must have validated his argument right?

Mr Nice Guy's "semblance of substance", just cause you posted some article doesn't validated you. well the first thing i did was figured out who the author is, bottom line he's a one hit wonder within the conservative/libertarians in the reform movement for healtcare, he has no known history other than that article and few others that never saw limelight. He’s no journalist, professor or researcher.

Ok so now i bet your want me to provide you with links? articles? videos? about the single payer movement? a grassroots movement that has already started in several states including california where we're on the verge of enacting? Started back in 98, the bill put twice on the governor’s desk for his signature only to be veto. A single payer movement supported by doctors, nurses, teachers and countless other groups?

hint: google california single player sb840 mark leno

what has your bullshit author done other that complain about the current situation? let me TELL you ... squat!
 

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90% of the Gathering of the Minds just argues semantics and attacks the authors of posted articles, never once addressing the facts or providing any of their own.

You guys really need to learn the art of civil discourse.
 

Miro

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crap i got the SB wrong, its SB810, not SB840 as i mentioned above (my bad).

here's some fact straight from Mark Leno's website:
http://dist03.casen.govoffice.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={CE4F5BC6-DD55-4BF0-BFAD-4E6F4163A426}&DE={FA246BB9-2232-418F-91AA-BABC10F0CF18}

Fact Sheet (English version)

SB 810 (LENO)

The California Universal Healthcare Act

Affordable Health Insurance for All Californians

February, 2009



FACT SHEET

FACT SHEET

Background: Health care costs are crushing California’s economy and the state budget, forcing steep annual cuts in health care access and quality for Californians and their employers. Health insurance premiums annually grow 4 times faster than wages, and have risen 87% since 2000 [1].

There are now 7 million uninsured Californians, but as insurance companies reduce health coverage, polls show that most insured Americans are now worried about how to pay for their health care if they get sick.

The U.S. spends more on health care—and gets less for it—than any other wealthy country. The $2.5 trillion that we spend every year (17.6% of our GDP)[2], is twice as costly as other wealthy nations, but it buys us a health care system ranked 37th by the World Health Organization. Alarmingly, studies repeatedly show that the quality of care in the U.S. is falling behind other wealthy nations.

California spent an estimated $212 billion in healthcare last year[3]. This is plenty of money to provide every resident of the state with excellent healthcare, ensure fair and reliable reimbursements to doctors, nurses and other providers, and guarantee a high quality of care for all.

SB 810 (Leno), the California Universal Healthcare Act would provide fiscally sound, affordable healthcare to all Californians, give every Californian the right to choose his or her own physician and control health cost inflation.

Truly Universal: Eligibility is based on residency, instead of on employment or income. Under the Act, all residents are covered. No California resident will ever again lose his or her health insurance because of unaffordable insurance premiums, because he or she changes or loses a job, goes to or graduates from college or has a pre-existing medical condition.

Shared Responsibility: Under the Act everyone – individuals, employers and government pays something in and everyone gets healthcare.

Affordable: The plan involves NO NEW SPENDING on healthcare. The system will be paid for by federal, state and county monies already being spent on healthcare and by affordable insurance premiums that replace all premiums, deductibles, out-of-pocket payments and co-pays now paid by employers and consumers.

Total Choice: Under SB 810, delivery of care remains as it is; a competitive mix of public and private providers. All consumers have complete freedom to choose their healthcare providers. No more restrictive HMO networks.

Fair Reimbursements: The Act requires actuarially sound reimbursements for providers. Doctors, nurses, hospitals and other healthcare providers will receive fair and reasonable reimbursements for all covered services they provide. No more uncompensated care.

Efficient: The Act eliminates waste by consolidating the functions of many insurance companies into one comprehensive insurance plan, saving the state and consumers billions of dollars each year. Currently about half of every dollar spent on healthcare is squandered on clinical and administrative waste, insurance company profits, and overpriced pharmaceuticals. The Act is based on a model that has been estimated to save California about $20 billion through reduced administrative costs in the first year alone.

Under the Act, California will use its purchasing power to buy prescription drugs and durable medical equipment in bulk. It has been estimated that this model of systemwide bulk purchasing could save California $5.2 billion in the first year.

Most importantly, the Act will make our healthcare system more reliable and secure by stabilizing the growth in health spending; linking spending increases to state GDP and population growth, employment rates and other relevant demographic indicators.

The Act will combine needed cost controls with medical standards that use the best available medical science, and place an emphasis on preventative and primary care to improve California’s overall health in a way that also saves billions of dollars.

The Act utilizes proven financial incentives that support the delivery of high quality care, including bonuses for providers working in rural or under-served areas. The plan invests in needed healthcare infrastructure such as electronic claims and reimbursement systems and statewide medical databases that improve healthcare quality.

Benefits: Coverage includes all care prescribed by a patient’s healthcare provider that meets accepted standards of care and practice.

Specifically, coverage includes hospital, medical, surgical, and mental health; dental and vision care; prescription drugs and medical equipment such as hearing aids; emergency care including ambulance; skilled nursing care after hospitalization; substance abuse recovery programs; health education and translation services, including services for those with hearing and vision impairments; transportation needed to access covered services, diagnostic testing; and hospice care.

For more information contact Sara Rogers at (916) 651-4646 or [email protected], or Zak Meyer-Krings at (916) 651-4003 or [email protected].

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1 Kaiser Family Foundation. Employer Health Benefits 2006 Annual Survey.

2 [Health Affairs 28, no. 2 (2009): w346-w357 (published online 24 February 2009; 10.1377/hlthaff.28.2.w346)]

3 Lewin Group Costs and Economic Impacts Analysis. January 2005.
 

Miro

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California Single Payer Universal Healthcare (SB 810) Support List

http://dist03.casen.govoffice.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={CE4F5BC6-DD55-4BF0-BFAD-4E6F4163A426}&DE={C55061F8-A053-4120-884E-DCC15F4959E3}

As of 3/1/10

1. AFSCME District Council 36 - 5/11/09
2. AFSCME District Council 57 – 5/1/09
3. AFSCME Local 444 – 5/8/09
4. AFSCME Local 955 – 5/6/09
5. AFSCME Local 2019 – 5/6/09
6. AFSCME Local 2428 – 5/7/09
7. AFSCME Retirees Chapter 36 – 3/16/09
8. Alameda-Contra Costa Transit District – 4/21/09
9. Alameda County Board of Supervisors – 1/25/10
10. Alliance for Democracy, Mendocino Coast – 4/11/09
11. AP Goodyear Construction – 4/13/09
12. American Association of University Women
13. American Association of University Women, Goleta Valley – 9/20/09
14. American Association of University Women, Pasadena Branch – 5/16/2009
15. American Association of University Women, Santa Maria – 7/1/09
16. American Civil Liberties Union, Southern California – 4/2/09
17. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) – 4/8/09
18. American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) – 4/21/10
19. American Medical Students Association, National - 3/25/09
20. American Medical Students Association, Davis School of Medicine chapter - 3/27/09
21. American Medical Students Association, UCLA Pre-medical Chapter 5/6/09
22. Association of Retired Teachers – 11/12/09
23. Bay Area Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement - 3/22/09
24. Bell-Everman, Inc. (Goleta, CA) – 9/10/09
25. California Advocates for Nursing Home Reform (CANHR) – 2/19/10
26. California Association of Alcohol and Drug Programs (CAADPE) – 2/2/10
27. California Alliance for Retired Americans - 4/13/09
28. California Chiropractic Association (if amended) – 4/30/09
29. California Commission on the Status of Women – 4/7/09
30. California Communities United Institute – 3/9/09
31. California Federation of Teachers – 4/7/09
32. California Foundation for Independent Living Centers – 4/24/09
33. California Health Professional Student Alliance – 5/21/09
34. California Labor Federation, AFL-CIO – 4/6/09
35. California Maternal, Child and Adolescent Health Directors (MCAH) – (5/18/09)
36. California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee – 3/24/09
37. California Pan-Ethnic Health Network – 4/21/09
38. California Physicians Alliance – 4/10/09
39. California Professional Firefighters – 3/23/09
40. California Retired Teachers Association – 4/14/09
41. California Retired Teachers Association – Santa Barbara Division - 2/8/10
42. California School Employees Association – 3/20/09
43. California Senior Coalition – 5/25/09
44. California Senior Legislature – 1/25/10
45. California Society for Clinical Social Work - 4/9/09
46. California Student Physicians for Healthcare Reform – 4/10/09
47. California Teachers Association – 4/7/09
48. California Women’s Agenda (CAWA) – 12/4/09
49. City of Albany – 4/13/09
50. City of Berkeley – 4/21/09
51. City of El Cerrito – 4/7/09
52. City of Oakland – 5/27/09
53. City of Richmond – 4/7/09
54. City of San Pablo – 3/31/09
55. City of Santa Barbara – 4/30/09
56. City of Santa Cruz – 1/28/10
57. City of Santa Monica – 4/15/09
58. City of Watsonville – 11/3/09
59. Coalition of Lavender-Americans on Smoking and Health (CLASH) – 5/7/09
60. Coastside Democrats – 5/24/09
61. Committees of Correspondence – 3/31/09
62. Concerned Citizens of Laguna Woods Village 5/15/09
63. Congress of California Seniors – 3/16/2009
64. Consumer Federation of California – 3/25/09
65. Contra Costa County Advisory Council on Aging – 5/22/09
66. Contra Costa County, Board of Supervisors – 6/1/09
67. County Health Executives Association of California – 3/26/09
68. Democratic Alliance for Action – 5/28/09
69. Democratic Party of Contra Costa County – 5/21/09
70. Democratic Women of Santa Barbara County – 12/20/09
71. Democrats of Rossmoor (Walnut Creek) – 6/14/09
72. Diablo Valley Democratic Club – 3/19/09
73. Doctors Medical Center, West Contra Costa County – 6/26/09
74. East Bay Peace Action – 5/26/09
75. Easter Hill United Methodist Church – 3/31/09
76. El Cerrito Committee on Aging – 8/21/09
77. El Cerrito Democratic Club – 4/7/09
78. Elsdon, Inc., (Danville, CA small business) – 4/2/09
79. Evergreen Democratic Club – 5/8/09
80. Federation of Retired Union Members of Santa Clara County – 4/15/09
81. Glendale City Employees Association – 4/1/09
82. Having Our Say – 4/8/09
83. Health Access of California – 3/24/09
84. Health Care for All – California – 3/9/09
85. Health Care for All, Contra Costa County – 3/16/09
86. Health Care for All, Santa Barbara County – 8/28/09
87. Health Officers Association of California – 4/29/09
88. Hubert Humphrey Democratic Club – 5/4/09
89. Humanist Society of Santa barbara – 2/16/10
90. International Alliance Theatrical Stage Employees Local 33 – 4/19/09
91. International Alliance of Theatrical State Employees Local 44 – 4/21/10
92. International Association of Machinists – 4/9/09
93. The Kennedy Club of San Joaquin – 4/5/09
94. Labor Task Force for Universal Health Care - 4/20/09
95. Lamorinda Democratic Club – 6/19/09
96. Lamorinda Peace and Justice Group – 4/3/09
97. League of Womern Voters, Davis – 9/8/09
98. League of Women Voters, Diablo Valley – 4/13/09
99. League of Women Voters, El Dorado County – 4/3/09
100. Leagues of Women Voters, Oakland - 5/12/09
101. League of Women Voters, Palos Verdes Peninsula/San Pedro – 6/3/09
102. League of Women Voters, Santa Barbara – 2/24/10
103. League of Women Voters, San Diego County – 4/21/09
104. League of Women Voters, San Joaquin County – 4/1/09
105. League of Women Voters, San Jose/Santa Clara – 4/1/09
106. League of Women Voters, Santa Cruz County – 1/15/10
107. League of Women Voters, Santa Maria Valley – 7/7/09
108. League of Women Voters, Southwest Santa Clara Valley – 5/6/09
109. League of Women Voters, West Contra Costa County – 1/4/10
110. Librarians’ Guild, AFSCME District Council 36, Local 2626 – 4/26/10
111. Los Angeles County Democratic Party – 4/14/10
112. Los Angeles Unified School District – 4/8/09
113. Lumina Media Productions (Richmond, CA) – 3/4/09
114. Lutheran Office of Public Policy – 3/10/09
115. Mane Event Salon, Grass Valley – 12/9/09
116. Manteca Democratic Club – 3/9/09
117. Marin County Board of Supervisors – 4/20/09
118. National Association of Social Workers, California chapter – 4/23/09
119. National Council of Jewish Women, Long Beach – 4/12/09
120. North Richmond Municipal Advisory Council – 5/12/09
121. Nursing Student Association at SFSU 4/9/10
122. Officescapes, Newport Beach, CA – 4/11/09
123. Old Lesbians Organizing for Change – 4/12/09
124. Older Women’s League of California – 4/13/09
125. Older Women’s League, East Bay – 5/27/09
126. Older Women’s League – San Francisco Chapter - 1/13/09
127. Organization of SMUD Employees – 4/1/09
128. People’s Democratic Club of Santa Cruz 2/4/10
129. Professional Musicians, Local 47 – 4/22/10
130. Progressive Democrats of America – 1/20/10
131. Progressive Jewish Alliance – 6/8/09
132. Promotores de Salud of Behavioral Health Services 5/13/09
133. Pueblo Action Fund – 1/20/10
134. Rainbow Coalition, West Contra Costa – 3/24/09
135. Richmond Commission on Aging – 6/5/09
136. Richmond Progressive Alliance – 6/28/09
137. Richmond Vision – 9/16/09
138. San Bernardino Public Employees Association – 4/1/09
139. San Fernando Valley Interfaith Council – 3/18/09
140. San Francisco Tobacco Free Coalition – 5/4/09
141. San Gabriel Valley Democratic Women’s Club – 12/15/09
142. San Jose Peace and Justice Center – 4/29/09
143. San Luis Obispo County Employees Association – 4/1/09
144. Santa Barbara County Action Network – 6/29/09
145. Santa Barbara County Democratic Central Committee – 8/14/09
146. Santa Clara County, Board of Supervisors – 2/5/10
147. Santa Clara County Democratic Club – 5/30/09
148. Santa Clarita Valley Clean Money for Better Government Committee – 5/31/09
149. Santa Cruz County, Board of Supervisors – 6/8/09
150. Santa Monica Community College District – 5/4/09
151. Santa Rosa City Employees Association – 4/1/09
152. Service Employees International Union – 4/7/09
153. Social Justice Alliance – 6/4/09
154. Spokewise Graphic Design, small business – 3/6/2010
155. St. Mark Presbyterian Church, Health Ministries Commission (Newport Beach) -6/29/09
156. Students of University of CA Program in Medical Education (PRIME) – 3/1/09
157. Union for Reform Judaism, Pacific Southwest Council – 6/5/09
158. Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Santa Cruz County
159. Unite Here HERE Local 11 – 3/5/2010
160. United Nations Association-USA, Santa Barbara and TriCounties chapter – 12/6/09
161. United Nurses Assoc. of California/Union of Health Care Professionals – 3/23/09
162. United Steelworkers, Local 1440, AFL-CIO – 4/13/09
163. United Teachers Los Angeles (UTLA) – 11/20/09
164. Valley Women's Club – 7/17/09
165. Westside Progressives, Marina Del Ray – 4/22/10
166. Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club – 1/10/10
167. West Contra Costa Concilio Latino – 3/24/09
168. West Contra Costa Latina/o Democratic Club – 3/25/09
169. West Contra Costa Unified School District
170. Western Center on Law & Poverty – 4/9/09
171. Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom – Peninsula Branch 4/12/09
172. Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom – Santa Cruz Branch 2/10/10