so what the hell is the architecht talking about in matrix 2?
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That guy used a lot of big words, that's for sure. I think he was saying that the same thing always happens. A person like Neo (the One) comes along, figures the whole thing out, and then has to pick 26 people to start the whole Zion city over again. It just keeps repeating itself. Something like that. I think everything will be very clarified after you see the third one. I can't wait. The day after my birthday.
adolf was pretty much on it.. heres sum more on what he said : there has been 5 people just like neo and either "the one " chooses to start a new civilization or they all die in the "realworld"(zion) if he chooses not to accept the offer to start over . the oracle is also in on it as well as the architect.
there has been a number is rebuilt versions of matrix. All cauase because of "the one". That is the point of "the one", to keep the cycle going.
But only this time, he didn't pick what "the ones" have chosen.
he was given two choices:
1. neither let another reversion of matrix happen, and the salvation of Zion.
2. try to save trinity, and let the whole matrix collapes, along with the destruction of the human race. the Architech and Neo both knew Trinity was going to die.
NEo picked the latter, and brought Trinity back to life. as for the end of the human race, we have to wait and see in revolutions.
But only this time, he didn't pick what "the ones" have chosen.
he was given two choices:
1. neither let another reversion of matrix happen, and the salvation of Zion.
2. try to save trinity, and let the whole matrix collapes, along with the destruction of the human race. the Architech and Neo both knew Trinity was going to die.
NEo picked the latter, and brought Trinity back to life. as for the end of the human race, we have to wait and see in revolutions.
so if their whole zion universe collapses...does the architecht resurrect?...is he the one picking the ONES?...
and another question...
when neo and co. are getting their heads plugged into the system, does that mean that when you see them fighting and kicking ass, are they in some computer system at that time?...does that mean that when theyre not plugged in theyre in real life right?...
but when theyre not in the computer (the matrix) theyre still in some harddrive type of thingy...all that electricity and those robot bugs...is THAT the matrix?
?????????lmao@ miggidy...i understand about 40% of that movie...love it 100%...you gotta love neo taking on 200000 mr smiths.
and another question...
when neo and co. are getting their heads plugged into the system, does that mean that when you see them fighting and kicking ass, are they in some computer system at that time?...does that mean that when theyre not plugged in theyre in real life right?...
but when theyre not in the computer (the matrix) theyre still in some harddrive type of thingy...all that electricity and those robot bugs...is THAT the matrix?
?????????lmao@ miggidy...i understand about 40% of that movie...love it 100%...you gotta love neo taking on 200000 mr smiths.
the architech is part of the computer system that runs the matrix, that runs the robots that are trying to destroy the rebel humans, not plugged into the matrix.
when they get plugged in they are in the matrix, the matrix is the computer system built by AI for fuel/energy, etc. since the sun was wiped out by the fucken stupid ass millitary people that thought that might put an end to the Robots (AI).
when they are not plugged in, they are in real life.
those huge robots that are going after the people of Zion are part the AI that is trying to destroy them, they are made by the same AI that made the matrix.
the matrix is just the world/program that humans are placed to get energy. the matrix was created by AI
you should go watch Animatrix, it fills in the holes from matrix.
when they get plugged in they are in the matrix, the matrix is the computer system built by AI for fuel/energy, etc. since the sun was wiped out by the fucken stupid ass millitary people that thought that might put an end to the Robots (AI).
when they are not plugged in, they are in real life.
those huge robots that are going after the people of Zion are part the AI that is trying to destroy them, they are made by the same AI that made the matrix.
the matrix is just the world/program that humans are placed to get energy. the matrix was created by AI
you should go watch Animatrix, it fills in the holes from matrix.
my theory is that the "real" world isn't real at all. its just another form of control. the original matrix is a matrix inside of a matrix, and neo figured this out. thats why he tried to stop the sentinals at the end and succeeded. plus, how did the oracle, a program inside of the matrix, know that neo was having crazy dreams. he sleeps in the "real" world, not inside of the matrix. what i want to know though, is what is agent smith up to. i'm thinking along the lines of that he's now a virus of some sorts, but i just can't figure out how his part is supposed to play out and what his true intentions are. can't wait until next month...hopefully the third installment will bring some clarity.
The movie made you believe the sentinals where hit by an EMP just as Neo raised his hand torwards them. That's why he himself was knocked out by the EMP.
Some people might think that Neo truly is the "one" after all since it appeared he stopped them himself.
What do I think? What the characters see as the real world and Zion is all part of the Matrix as well. The machines have adapted to people like Morpheus and Neo. So they create this false real world to trick them into thinking they've escaped the machines control. This explains why Neo was able to stop the sentinals at the end why agent Smith was able to "mind jack" that one guy at the end....
Actually I have my sources and I already know how the movie plays out at the end. The ending will be controversial, some will like the idea, but some will hate it.
All I can say is that the 2 directors found a way to "mind fuck" you. And you will be a victim at the end...
Some people might think that Neo truly is the "one" after all since it appeared he stopped them himself.
What do I think? What the characters see as the real world and Zion is all part of the Matrix as well. The machines have adapted to people like Morpheus and Neo. So they create this false real world to trick them into thinking they've escaped the machines control. This explains why Neo was able to stop the sentinals at the end why agent Smith was able to "mind jack" that one guy at the end....
Actually I have my sources and I already know how the movie plays out at the end. The ending will be controversial, some will like the idea, but some will hate it.
All I can say is that the 2 directors found a way to "mind fuck" you. And you will be a victim at the end...
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Ken Mondschein
Going into The Matrix: Reloaded, I wasn't worried if the fight scenes or special effects would measure up to the first film—it was the metaphysics that bothered me. The first Matrix was such a neat allegory of Gnostic philosophy, I was more concerned with how the Brothers Wachowski could successfully extend the metaphor into three films than whether they could pull off even more virtuoso examples of cinematic ass-stomping. What was mindblowing about the first movie, after all, wasn't the fight choreography or bullet time, but its brave assertion that the banal, day-to-day reality we live in isn't the real world. In that sense, all the wire-fu was just the candy coating on the red pill the filmmakers were offering to every high school student and cubicle slave in the world. (Though, since I study martial arts myself, I found the idea of kung fu as being metaphorical for something happening in hyper-reality, a la Thibault's mysterious circle, to be pretty darn appealing.)
Thankfully, Reloaded more than allayed my fears, even if it seems that half the reviewers either didn't understand what the Wachowskis were getting at, or else were only paying attention during the highway chase. Watching the movie, I was personally less impressed by the fists of digital fury than by the Brothers' evident familiarity with the Dead Sea Scrolls and the theology of Origen of Alexandria. Seen in the light of the books they're referencing, the movie's plot is brilliant; of course, to the non-initiate, the characters' actions and dialogue seems arbitrary and incomprehensible, and the exposition is just filler between car crashes. It would seem, therefore, that a bit of exegesis of The Matrix: Reloaded is warranted. But be warned: If you haven't seen the movie yet, don't read on. There are some major spoilers.
Much like that other great Keanu Reeves vehicle, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, The Matrix: Reloaded centers around the hero's journey into the Underworld. Frazier, in The Golden Bough, notes that it is a prophetess—in this case, the Oracle—who sends the hero off on his journey, from where he returns with special knowledge. And, of course, that's just what Neo does, though it would have been a while lot more amusing if he'd had Alex Winter along. (The Oracle probably isn't entirely benign, by the way, even though she may not consciously intend any harm: She is, after all, the one who sent Neo on the path to the Core.)
Neo's first task is to rescue the Keymaker (Randall Duk Kim, doing his best Rick Moranis impression) from the Merovingian, who is a daemon—in both senses of the word—left over from a previous version of the Matrix. (The Merovingians were the ruling Frankish dynasty; they were succeeded by Charlemagne's family, the Carolingians, and then by the Capetians, who thought they were descended from Christ.) The guy in the health food store where I buy my granola and soy milk thinks that The Merovingian was one of Neo's predecessors, but all the explanation I need, as well as the way I understand his obvious fascination with human pleasures, is found in Genesis 6:4—"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them. . ." According to various sources, including Kabbalah, this mating of men and angels (here, a computer program from an earlier version of the Matrix) is what produced various monsters, such as the vampires and wraiths that serve the Merovingian. Dante, bringing a Christian sensibility to the proceedings, placed these monsters in his Inferno. Thus, though the Merovingian is sort of an antediluvian remnant of the former world, he's also (as is shown by the fact that his wife is named Persephone) kind of like Hades, the holder of the keys to the underworld. What the Keymaker does, much like the golden bough the Sybil gives Aeneas, is open doors and permit Neo access to the underworld—or, in this case, the Core.
After the requisite battles and explosions, Neo gets into the Core and finds The Architect. Considering that The Architect built the Matrix, you might think that he's God. Of course, he's nothing of the sort. In Gnostic theology, it is Satan, not God, who has created the world in order to imprison humanity. It is also the Architect who is unleashing the Sentinels to destroy Zion; that is, beginning the Battle of Armageddon. It is my prediction that in the third and final film, it will be revealed that there is a power behind the Architect, and that he is the one who sent the One into the Matrix. It is also my prediction that this guy will look a lot like Neo.
Ken Mondschein
Going into The Matrix: Reloaded, I wasn't worried if the fight scenes or special effects would measure up to the first film—it was the metaphysics that bothered me. The first Matrix was such a neat allegory of Gnostic philosophy, I was more concerned with how the Brothers Wachowski could successfully extend the metaphor into three films than whether they could pull off even more virtuoso examples of cinematic ass-stomping. What was mindblowing about the first movie, after all, wasn't the fight choreography or bullet time, but its brave assertion that the banal, day-to-day reality we live in isn't the real world. In that sense, all the wire-fu was just the candy coating on the red pill the filmmakers were offering to every high school student and cubicle slave in the world. (Though, since I study martial arts myself, I found the idea of kung fu as being metaphorical for something happening in hyper-reality, a la Thibault's mysterious circle, to be pretty darn appealing.)
Thankfully, Reloaded more than allayed my fears, even if it seems that half the reviewers either didn't understand what the Wachowskis were getting at, or else were only paying attention during the highway chase. Watching the movie, I was personally less impressed by the fists of digital fury than by the Brothers' evident familiarity with the Dead Sea Scrolls and the theology of Origen of Alexandria. Seen in the light of the books they're referencing, the movie's plot is brilliant; of course, to the non-initiate, the characters' actions and dialogue seems arbitrary and incomprehensible, and the exposition is just filler between car crashes. It would seem, therefore, that a bit of exegesis of The Matrix: Reloaded is warranted. But be warned: If you haven't seen the movie yet, don't read on. There are some major spoilers.
Much like that other great Keanu Reeves vehicle, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, The Matrix: Reloaded centers around the hero's journey into the Underworld. Frazier, in The Golden Bough, notes that it is a prophetess—in this case, the Oracle—who sends the hero off on his journey, from where he returns with special knowledge. And, of course, that's just what Neo does, though it would have been a while lot more amusing if he'd had Alex Winter along. (The Oracle probably isn't entirely benign, by the way, even though she may not consciously intend any harm: She is, after all, the one who sent Neo on the path to the Core.)
Neo's first task is to rescue the Keymaker (Randall Duk Kim, doing his best Rick Moranis impression) from the Merovingian, who is a daemon—in both senses of the word—left over from a previous version of the Matrix. (The Merovingians were the ruling Frankish dynasty; they were succeeded by Charlemagne's family, the Carolingians, and then by the Capetians, who thought they were descended from Christ.) The guy in the health food store where I buy my granola and soy milk thinks that The Merovingian was one of Neo's predecessors, but all the explanation I need, as well as the way I understand his obvious fascination with human pleasures, is found in Genesis 6:4—"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them. . ." According to various sources, including Kabbalah, this mating of men and angels (here, a computer program from an earlier version of the Matrix) is what produced various monsters, such as the vampires and wraiths that serve the Merovingian. Dante, bringing a Christian sensibility to the proceedings, placed these monsters in his Inferno. Thus, though the Merovingian is sort of an antediluvian remnant of the former world, he's also (as is shown by the fact that his wife is named Persephone) kind of like Hades, the holder of the keys to the underworld. What the Keymaker does, much like the golden bough the Sybil gives Aeneas, is open doors and permit Neo access to the underworld—or, in this case, the Core.
After the requisite battles and explosions, Neo gets into the Core and finds The Architect. Considering that The Architect built the Matrix, you might think that he's God. Of course, he's nothing of the sort. In Gnostic theology, it is Satan, not God, who has created the world in order to imprison humanity. It is also the Architect who is unleashing the Sentinels to destroy Zion; that is, beginning the Battle of Armageddon. It is my prediction that in the third and final film, it will be revealed that there is a power behind the Architect, and that he is the one who sent the One into the Matrix. It is also my prediction that this guy will look a lot like Neo.