SO EVRYBODY GOT A LIFE BUT ME..

[in10city_131x]

man, i'm sittin here with nothin to do but down some beers, listenin to slipknot, tech n9ne, and slayer.
no one on the board. i guess everybody out partyin and shit.
well, i got an excuse, finals next week.

anyway, i posted this on the other board. let's hear what everybody thinks.

"i'm all about makin the industry pay for what they've done. [censored] them.
and the whole downloading thing in my opinion is a way for tech and strange to say: " hey, we know our [censored]'s fuckin hardcore and quality music, we believe in our music so we're not affraid to let people hear it before they buy it."

i think file sharing between fans is fuckin cool. but i'll say fuck napster. those guys, that computer kid and his uncle got rich off of other peoples music. file sharing is good but if a third party (someone else than a fan or the artist) is making money on it, they should die. "

agree/disagree?

 

[Heat Myser]

I agree....some of it is cool...some is not.

I support people sharing files and trading around music. This has been going on for years now. I know as a child I and my friends made copies of tapes and swapped em. Thats great, its basically free advertising. There is a very fine line between this and whats going on today. As a child there was no medium that allowed you to get music for free, any music you wanted.

I do not support people that bootleg music. These cats that are making money of of other people's music should be put in jail - its stealing. I also do not apporve of the sites that specialize in putting whole albums up for download before their release, or after the release for that matter. Its a different story when a label puts their album up, like Strange, as a marketing tool. Putting whole albums up before and after their release by third parties is nothing but stealing and an attempt to damage sales - simple and plain. Could you imagine if in the 80's or ealrier some guy rolled up in a van and opened the doors to have nothing but an endless supply of recorded tapes - that he would give to you for free. He would have been arrested and put in jail. Whats so different today, its easier, but its still stealing.

If these websites are to continue making whole albums available for download they should be forced to pay royalties to the owner of the music. I am sure they would think twice then because they would be losing money by giving away music for free. Alot of these "web entreprenuers" need a serious lesson in economics. They piss and moan about rights and other bullshit while they don't have a penny invested. If they want so badly to make music free and available for download I suggest that they start their own record label, make some albums, and put them up for free. I am willing to bet that they might think twice if it was their own money on the line.

To sum it up; everyday people trading music is cool and bootlegging is not.

Once again, thank you for your time....lol

 

[AaronDontezGr8t]

Fuck you heat who in their right mind is going to read everything you just wrote.

 

[Zer0.MediA]

boogow

I agree fully with what you're saying. I don't feel however that the kid from Napster got rich off of music. In fact, he's doing the same thing that Siccness.net, AoL.com, Yahoo.com and any other internet site is doing, providing a service for the mass market to use for free, and selling advertizing.

I think that's perfectly moral and fair. It's just like radio, only you get to pick what you want to hear and when. In fact, I'd say it's exactly like radio, but you don't have to sit through shit like Sum 41, Blink 182, Matchbox 20, Eve 6, Third Eye Blind, or Farenheit 451...

::Zer0 is on a crusade against bands with #'s in their name, because they fuckin' suck... ALL OF THEM (Tech Nizzle excluded)::


To be perfectly honest with you, if my computer was better I'd burn cd's like there was no tomorrow, but never at any time was I satisfied with a burned cd. The day I burned The Eminem Show, I found out they had released the real version in stores early because of shady bums like me.. I went to the store and bought it without even listening to the burned copy, then gave the copy to a friend...

What does that say about file sharing? I'm not really sure. One thing is for sure, the RIAA isn't going to get around it. Fuck, their "copy protection" bullshit was easily exploited just by writing on the laser side of the cd with black sharpie marker... That's fuckin' laughable. If the RIAA wants to blame file sharing for their decrease in record sales, I say this...

Maybe if all these shitty artists stopped pimping their shit to the "Teen bimbo who's never had a job in her life" market, there would be more customers to buy the shit. I mean really, how many average comsumers do you think buy Backstreet Boy cd's for their own enjoyment? Besides the gay population, I'd say that number would be very little.

If people are buying that number of cd's for girls 16 and under, imagine the volume they'd buy if there was some shit out there they could get into.

By the way 131, I lauged at the subject of the post... I've been there before, man. Oh, and welcome for the sig idea. ::dead::

 

[MasZive]

My opinion on this whole "STEALING" thing...

I dont give two fucks about an artist, that expects to put out a weeks worth of effort album, and then expect me to kiss his ass and buy it... Damnit, if you only have one song on the bitch that I like, you will fit just nicely in my Mp3 folder, and I wont say another word about it... I have come to this conclusion, when I'd meet an artist, and then they acting all concieted and bogus and shit, but I just wasted about 100 bucks on the last 4 CD's I bought from yo ass, then I aint supporting him/her anymore... That's the same as me spending money on one of my friends studio time, and then when he gets paid, I can't talk to him, cant get past the bodyguards, cant even pay me back...

Whatever yall think, some people cant help because they can make one good song, and then the other 14 tracks are ran over and wack, and now think they are the shit and you owe them. Fuck that... Hey I like your single, but I will not be buying the whole album. Shit I'd be glad if I heard someone bumping my single even if they downloaded it. That lets me know that I reached someone, and I might catch that one extra sale on the next album.

Shit look at it from the bright side... Rather be heard than forgotten...

 

[in10city_131x]

i totally agree
if i like one or two eminem (for example) songs, which is the case, i download them and not buy the whole album. it's like back in the day makin cassette copies from your friend's LP collection for personal use.

zero, aol and yahoo is like the post office you can send CD-Rs of music to people.
this will help up and comin artists get known


but, napster is like heat myser said, some mutherfucker havin a bizness goin out of his truck. he makes it known that it's about music, gets sponsored by some big advertisements and sells pirated cd's out of his truck. makin big bucks while havin no part in the making of the songs he's remanufactoring and givin to people.

i agree with filesharing to the fullest (that's how i got into some of the stuff i listen to, for example tech n9ne, heard that shit and went out and bought anghellic)
but i dont agree with some little computer nerd gettin rich, buying porches and shit because he puts other peoples music online

 

[John Z]

In regards to "some little computer nerd gettin rich, buying porches and shit because he puts other peoples music online"... I have to disagree with u cat... .. . . .. ...

Let me put it this way. If you wrote a program that allowed this stampede of online file trading, shouldn't you get to make a profit from it.

Should Best Buy make a profit off of the albums they sell, by putting them out for people to buy. Are you sayin that people should not be allowed to make a profit off of the product they created? Yeah he was using people's music in a way, but how else would this file sharing thing have started.

Remember this... being a "computer nerd" can be deemed some form of artistry. He made that p2p program. That was his piece of art...just like an artist, whether in music, writing novels, painting or whatever, he created his masterpiece... and, in a capitalistic society, he deserves his piece.

 

[Heat Myser]

I got a couple of things....

The biggest difference between Napster and radio is that the radio doesn't play full albums, doesn't give them away for free, and pays for the music it plays - everytime it plays.

Sure we might think alot of these cd's are crap, but you have to remember that alot of people do like em and its all opinion. Stealing is not opinion and thats what sites that offer full albums do - period. I might not like Ja Rule but he has worked hard to get where he is. Just cause someone is successful is no reason to say its ok to steal their music. We aren't allowed to rob the big banks cause they have it easier are we?

Best Buy pays for the music it sells.....

If some guys thinks up or designs a better way or program to rob banks it doesn't make it any more legal. Sure the cat made a cool program, but he raped lot of other capitalists in the process who made there money legally.

 

[lastonesleft]

i feel the same way as maszive
i support artists who deserve it.. or if i like them alot.

 

[Zer0.MediA]

In regards to "some little computer nerd gettin rich, buying porches and shit because he puts other peoples music online"... I have to disagree with u cat... .. . . .. ...

Let me put it this way. If you wrote a program that allowed this stampede of online file trading, shouldn't you get to make a profit from it.

Should Best Buy make a profit off of the albums they sell, by putting them out for people to buy. Are you sayin that people should not be allowed to make a profit off of the product they created? Yeah he was using people's music in a way, but how else would this file sharing thing have started.

Remember this... being a "computer nerd" can be deemed some form of artistry. He made that p2p program. That was his piece of art...just like an artist, whether in music, writing novels, painting or whatever, he created his masterpiece... and, in a capitalistic society, he deserves his piece.

Werd. I wouldn't go as far as to say that he's an artist, but this kid wrote what was essentially the first p2p program just for himself and his friends to share music the same way we do, and the shit just blew up. I don't think the RIAA ever really had a problem with mp3's, they're just pissed about how easy it is to get them.

The people that host files on a website, full album or not, aren't really making any profit off it. Most of the Warez kiddies aren't looking for a profit, they just think they're fucking over some sort of corporate machine.

Ya know, I hate people that bitch over things like Napster, Kazaa, or any other p2p shit. I know some people think it's stealing, but I just think it's a pain in the ass.. When it all comes down to it, I buy cd's. I just picked up my own personal copy of Absolute Power (which i could have downloaded for free), and picked up a Twizted album too.

I think it's just come to a point where people are tired of shitty music, be it pussy rap (ja rule), boy bands, (*Nsync), Bubblegum sluts (Britney, X-Tina.. by the way, what the fuck is an X-Tina?) etc. People want more than just an album of shitty songs..

Now they want a DVD with their shitty songs...

 

[Heat Myser]

I don't think its all about shitty music....thats all opinion. you and I may not like Ja Rule, Britney, or N Sync, but alot of people do. We just have to face the facts - hardcore and gangsta rap is not as popular is it was a few years ago....its not "cool' to be hard anymore, its about having fun now.

If the vast majority of people thought that there was only one good song on all these mainstream albums, then they would be one-hit wonders. They would not be on their 3rd, 4th, and 5th albums. We don't like it, but a whole hell of alot of people do. Thats why i don't buy this "music is shit and thats why people download" talk.

Oh, and I understand that most of these sites aren't making money off offering full albums and that alot of them are just trying "to fuck the coporate machine", but without the "coporate machine" we would have no filesharing or music to fileshare. Music would be shit without the corporate machine.

I download shit, share music with my friends, and I buy cd's. At the same time I run a small record label and fully understand the effects of pirating material. It can really hurt the business, big and small.

And last but not least some food for thought: Has anyone else noticed that since downlaoding exploded that there is less quality music (or what we would think is quality music). When record labels lose money from people downloading albums instead of buying them they have less money in the budget. Less money in the budget means that they have to put their backing behind the people with the promise or huge dividends. Since there is not as much money left after the big boys get theirs, the smaller bands that had a chance before dont' get a chance. Therefore, the "good" music doesn't hit the mass markets - at least not easily - and we don't get what we want. Can you blame them; I mean if you were going to invest your hard earned money in the stock market, would you buy the stock of some company who had a cool message or you liked...or would you buy the stocks that had promise of giving you large returns?

 

[Zer0.MediA]

And last but not least some food for thought: Has anyone else noticed that since downlaoding exploded that there is less quality music (or what we would think is quality music). When record labels lose money from people downloading albums instead of buying them they have less money in the budget. Less money in the budget means that they have to put their backing behind the people with the promise or huge dividends. Since there is not as much money left after the big boys get theirs, the smaller bands that had a chance before dont' get a chance. Therefore, the "good" music doesn't hit the mass markets - at least not easily - and we don't get what we want. Can you blame them; I mean if you were going to invest your hard earned money in the stock market, would you buy the stock of some company who had a cool message or you liked...or would you buy the stocks that had promise of giving you large returns?

Nah, that's crazy speak. JCOR and Strange Music seem to have managed to produce quality albums, and I doubt their budget is even half of the Sony's, BMG's, etc. You can put 5 billion dollars into a song, and if it sucks it sucks, plain and simple. Or you can give a quality artist his fair share which could be just 200 bucks to do some house party, and produce more interest. I mean, I'd rather see Tech stand in front of a cd player with a mic plugged into a karaoke machine than ever see a Matchbox 20 concert with pyro up the ass, laser light shows and the biggest fog machines.

Besides, doesn't the fact that Tech sales have spiked since the beginning of the FTI campaign suggest that file sharing may positively affect record sales?

 

[in10city_131x]

a couple of things:

heat myser: "If the vast majority of people thought that there was only one good song on all these mainstream albums, then they would be one-hit wonders. They would not be on their 3rd, 4th, and 5th albums. We don't like it, but a whole hell of alot of people do. Thats why i don't buy this "music is shit and thats why people download" talk."

people like it because that's the only type of music they're offered/exposed to. the only kinda music they here. because the machine pushes it on the radio waves. if the radio and the industry would take more chances a lot more people would listen to other shit, if they knew it exists!!

this is what the whole FTI thing (TO ME) is about, the machine won't give new type of artists a chance. like i said earlier Tech and Travis might have their own ideas about napster and Kazaa but i think the whole downloadin thing is mostly for them to say "OUR SHIT IS HARDCORE, WE BELIEVE IN IT, WE BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT US EVEN IF THEY CAN DOWNLOAD THE WHOLE ALBUM ON THE NET"

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zero: that kid mighta created the program for him and his friends to share music, but as soon as his uncle got his foot in the door it wasn't about that anymore. it was all about makin a buck. it's obvious, not only because of how they got rich ... but how they wanted to start co operating with the big dinosaur record labels. napster was all for puttin ROYALTY payments on downloads cause they wanted to keep napster as something that would bring em an income.

and there are easier ways to fuck with the corporate machine than puttin up mp3's (as fans): don't buy shit music, dont ever turn on MTV, dont' listen to major radio stations, buy shit from independent labels, spread the word, if you have a chance, dont buy music from big music chains. buy them from your local stores. go see live music.

 

[Zer0.MediA]

zero: that kid mighta created the program for him and his friends to share music, but as soon as his uncle got his foot in the door it wasn't about that anymore. it was all about makin a buck. it's obvious, not only because of how they got rich ... but how they wanted to start co operating with the big dinosaur record labels. napster was all for puttin ROYALTY payments on downloads cause they wanted to keep napster as something that would bring em an income.

Making a buck? I really don't care much. I use this service for free, in return ad after ad is pushed at me and thus the site remains free for me. It's the same concept as telivision or radio. I can go to Napster or Kazaa and download clips of cartoon characters, I can download songs from my favorite movie, or I can download Eminem. Nobody seems to care much what anybody downloads untill the big names in music come up. I don't understand why people wouldn't just download their music to suit their leisure, let the companies fight it out and just go with the flow? It's not like shutting down a Napster or a Kazaa is going to stop me from getting MP3's.

Hey, you can download a ton of pornography on Kazaa for FREE. I don't hear the APIS (The Association of Pornographic Internet Sites) taking Jenna Jameson with them to court to testify against p2p file sharing companies... The RIAA wanted to produce cute little "compact discs" for us, charge us out the ass for them, and now they have to deal with the fact that they probably would never have released their music in digital form if they had known what it would turn into... I bet they would rather have gone back to slate LP's.

I don't care where my MP3's are from or how much or little the site is taking in... I don't feel morally obligated to not download. At least I'm not walking out of the store with the actual product, which when you think about it is actually more expensive for the record companies than just burning it.

 

[Heat Myser]

I can't really buy the "the machine forces it on people so they buy it" line. Sure its out there..everywhere, but the industry isn't putting a gun to anyone's head. I love rap, I love gangsta rap, I love the drak shit.....but more people buy pop music. Its always been like that.

I am not trying to take anything away form Tech here at all cause he is one of my all time favorites, but this surpasses whats good and bad because thats all opinion. You might think Britney is trash, but apparently enough people like her for her to go platinum. Thats just opinion and too many of you take your personal opinion on music and try and translate it into business. The industry is where its at for one reason - MONEY. Record labels do what they do because this is a business. I am sorry if they don't cater to our personal taste in music but its not personal, its just business.

And for all of you that think there is no hope, you're wonrg. Musics mimics society, or I should say mimics the opposite of society. Lets look into the past; as the 80's came to an end and in the early 90's the world was faced with turmoil - rap music was much "happier" and focused on partying. Once we had defeated Iraq and the cold war was over music began to radiate towards harder muisc - society wasn't faced with all the problems so all of a sudden people wanted some drama, something bad. This brings us to today where the world is once again in conflict and things seem to be going downhill - music is moving towards something more positive. For those of you that want music like Tech's and the harder rap to come back to the forefront should cross your fingers and hope that we attack and defeat Iraq and bring an end to mass terrorism. Once some sense of peace is brought back society will want the darkness and music will supply it.

Just remember, don't let your personal tastes cloud the real reason behind this: business. I don't like "pop" music but am smart enough to realize thats its not about music not being good but its about record labels trying to supports themselves.

Thanks for your time...lol

 

[in10city_131x]

well i just wanna say, [pause]
that this shit's great, we all got different views on things and can talk about it like grown ups.
(unlike many other websites that are filled with 15 year old little punks)

see i like this kinda shit, it makes you think abut the other peoples view point. some smart dude in history sometime said that the "smartest" (for lack of a better word) kinda people can hold two or more contradictin points of view.
i agree cuz the world's not black and white. law and governmental policy is black and white and i dont wanna get started on that....

 

[Zer0.MediA]

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This brings us to today where the world is once again in conflict and things seem to be going downhill - music is moving towards something more positive. For those of you that want music like Tech's and the harder rap to come back to the forefront should cross your fingers and hope that we attack and defeat Iraq and bring an end to mass terrorism. Once some sense of peace is brought back society will want the darkness and music will supply it.

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[in10city_131x]

^^^^^^
that for real?????
hahahah

 

[Zer0.MediA]

Might as well be...

 

[Heat Myser]

Funny shit Zero Media.....I didn't want to get political but my right wing side sometimes glares its ugly face...lol

I am just calling it like I see it. When the world is happier, artists like Tech will have frre riegn on music.