Should Moussaoui get the Death Penalty

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Hi everyone,

Below is an article about Zacarias Moussaoui, the supposed "20th hijacker" of 9/11. He was in jail at the time of the 9/11 attacks, and if you look closely in this article, you can see that prosecutors are going after him not for having a direct role in the attacks, but for not telling them what he knew of them--a pretty flimsy case on which to seek the death penalty. Below the article, I've pasted an article I wrote for the New Abolitionist, the CEDP's newsletter, in May 2002 about his case. It seems clear that seeking the death penalty in Moussaoui's case is a way for the feds to prop up George W. Bush's "war on terror" by claiming that it really is achieving results.

Julien

Jury selection begins in Moussaoui trial

06 February 2006 15:45

Jury selection has begun at the start of the trial to decide whether confessed al-Qaeda operative Zacarias Moussaoui should be executed for his role in the 11 September attacks.

Moussaoui is the only man convicted in connection with the attacks in the US in 2001.

The 37-year-old has admitted to conspiring with al-Qaeda to carry out the attacks in which almost 3,000 people were killed.

It is thought the US jury selection process will take around one month to complete.

Jurors will be asked to rule on whether Moussaoui is eligible to be put to death for his crimes and then must decide if he should get the penalty.

Moussaoui, born in France to Moroccan parents, was arrested by the FBI in August 2001.

At that time he was attending a flight school in Minnesota.

Federal prosecutors allege that by not co-operating then Moussaoui prolonged the conspiracy of the 9/11 attackers.

After a long and complex legal process, Moussaoui pleaded guilty in a preliminary hearing in April last year to conspiring with the 11 September attackers but denied he was directly involved with planning those attacks.

His lawyers contend that he suffers from a mental illness and his conversion to radical Islam in London in the 1990s was linked to this state of mind.

Moussaoui On Trial For His Life
Using Terrorism To Justify The Death Penalty
by Julien Ball

The federal government is seeking the death penalty against Zacharias Moussaoui, who is accused of conspiring with the September 11 attackers. In the face of a horrible tragedy, the federal government is using Moussaoui’s case to justify the death penalty.

The evidence against Moussaoui is largely circumstantial. According to prosecutors, Moussaoui is guilty of attending flight training school, inquiring about crop-dusting procedures, and allegedly receiving funding from an international fugitive. The glaring weakness in the case against Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, is that he was in a Minnesota jail on September 11 on unrelated charges.

Not surprisingly, the Bush administration is out for blood. During Bush’s first year in office, he resumed the federal death machine when he executed Timothy McVeigh and Juan Raul Garza last June, despite mounting protest against their executions. McVeigh’s execution was the first federal execution since 1963.

The U.S. continues to face increasing international opposition to the death penalty. The French government had urged Attorney General John Ashcroft to forgo the death penalty in Moussaoui’s case. "We do not accept the death penalty," said French Justice Minister Marylise Lebranchu. France, like every other member of the European Union, bans the death penalty. Europeans have remained firm in this stance, refusing to extradite alleged al-Qaeda suspects to the U.S. without a commitment that they would not be charged with capital punishment.

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, public opinion regarding the death penalty has barely shifted. A Gallup survey three weeks after the attacks showed that 68 percent of those surveyed favored the death penalty, up just three percentage points from a survey last May.

Numerous states and public officials continue to question the fairness of the death penalty. In March, Indiana banned the execution of juveniles. In a comprehensive review of the California death penalty, the San Jose Mercury News found that the state’s system has many of the same problems that have created concern about the death penalty across the nation. "The whole thing is a mess," said former California Supreme Court Justice Edward Panelli, a conservative who voted to affirm most death sentences he reviewed. "It wouldn’t hurt me at all if they just changed the law."

Later this spring, the U.S. Supreme Court will rule on a case that could ban the execution of the mentally retarded.

And recently, U.S. District Judge Jed S. Rakoff said that he would declare the federal death penalty unconstitutional unless the government could explain why so many condemned inmates turn out to be innocent.

In the coming months, activists will have the opportunity to expose the death penalty as a broken system. What we do now is more important than ever.
 
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MaddDogg said:
I guess you dont believe in government?
no i dont belive in our american government,crooked as peter norths shlong.and i never said he shouldnt die,i wouldnt mind at all if they made him suffer in agony for 5 years
 
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^For what?

I'm not going to tell you what he did or didn't do because I don't know, so you must know something I don't.
 

HERESY

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^^^ Thats how the typical american thinks. "Oh the government said it, so it must be true."

Should we consider him innocent until proven guilty or should we believe he is guilty because the government said it?

Do you know anything about the case (serious question here)? Is Ramzi Binalshibh still alive and what are they going to do with his testimony? From what I have read his 6th amendment rights are/were being violated. I've also read they would drop the charges (based on the 6th amendment ruling), ship his ass to cuba, give him a military trial and execute his ass that way. I don't know what the 6th amendment ruling was, but whoever this guy is he will NOT beat this. If that 6th amendment ruling was/is in his favor the millitary court will try him and his right to cross examinate witnesses will go flying out the window (because they must be approved by the pentagon)

The problem with this is he was arrested before 9-11 and before the millitary tribunal was placed in effect by presidential order. So who is going to FORCE the government to let him go?
 
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I never said he was guilty or innocent. In fact, I specifically stated that I did not know. Rather I questioned how you possibly could..

Is there a difference between:

1. Believing something because the government said it.

2. Disbelieving something because the government said it.

And to answer your question, no, I know nothing about this case other than what has been put down in this thread.
 

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Is there a difference between:

1. Believing something because the government said it.

2. Disbelieving something because the government said it.
This can go either way depending on the person you asked and what they have experienced. If you believe what the government says simply because its the government you're an idiot. If you disbelieve something because the government said it you're probably on the right track. The american government has a SHABBY record when it comes to telling the truth so why believe them? Your belief should be based on your own convictions and validations. I am basing my belief of his innocence as it relates to my position on 9-11 BEFORE it even happened.

Does this answer your question?