Sea scorpion was bigger than a man

  • Wanna Join? New users you can now register lightning fast using your Facebook or Twitter accounts.

ThaG

Sicc OG
Jun 30, 2005
9,597
1,687
113
#1
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22796164-23109,00.html

BRITISH and German researchers say they have discovered the giant fossilised claw of an ancient sea scorpion that, in its heyday hundreds of millions of years ago, would have been 2.5m long.

The find, in a quarry near the western German border town of Pruem, is the biggest specimen of arthropod ever found, they said in a study published by Biology Letters, a journal of Britain's Royal Society.

"This is an amazing discovery,'' said Simon Braddy, from the Department of Earth Science at the University of Bristol in western England.

"We have known for some time that the fossil record yields monster millipedes, super-sized scorpions, colossal cockroaches and jumbo dragonflies, but we never realised until now just how big some of these ancient creepy-crawlies were.''

The 46cm claw was wielded by a species of sea scorpion called Jaekelopterus rhenaniae that lived between 460 and 255 million years ago.

Using the claw as a benchmark, the scientists believe its owner was between 2.33m and 2.59m long.

Chelicerae - wand-like appendages used to grasp food and bring it to the beast's mandibles - would have added another 50cm.

"This exceeds the previously recorded maximum body length of any arthropod by almost half a metre, the chelicerae not included,'' the study said.

Despite their name, sea scorpions, known as eurypterids, were not true scorpions. Equipped with long, flat, jointed carapaces, they stalked warm shallow sea waters from around 500 million to 250 million years ago, eventually moving into in fresh water.

Biologists delving into Earth's distant past are divided as to how some arthropods were able to develop into such monstrous size.

Some suggest that they benefit from an oxygen-rich atmosphere, while others argue that they had to get bigger in order to keep up with the supersizing of their likely prey, the early armoured fish.

"There is no simple single explanation,'' said Mr Braddy.

"It is more likely that some ancient arthropods were big because there was little competition from the vertebrates, as we see today. If the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere suddenly increased, it doesn't mean all the bugs would get bigger.''

these things looked pretty scary, here is a reproduction of Eurypterus, which was half the size of Jaekelopterus

 

ThaG

Sicc OG
Jun 30, 2005
9,597
1,687
113
#4
I am glad humans didn't evolve when these things were around...

we would have never lasted...
YIKES!!!!!!!!
those things lived in the sea:cool:

but about 100 million years later, there were 2 meter long millipedes:confused:

which is really scary...
 

ThaG

Sicc OG
Jun 30, 2005
9,597
1,687
113
#6
very easily - the don't look at all the same

now if you're speaking about how they can tell the difference just based on claws, my reply is that they can often tell the animal just based on a few teeth

claws are pretty easy compared to teeth - lobster claws and eurypteridian claws are very different
 
Jan 30, 2007
846
0
0
40
#7
yea i guess, but it just seems more sense to find something in the sea with claws to be a lobster, or crab or something, how to they get the idea that it would belong with the scorpion family, and whos to say that scorpions arent just land lobsters? :| dumb question i know, but its somewhat of a nice observation....no?
 

ThaG

Sicc OG
Jun 30, 2005
9,597
1,687
113
#8
yea i guess, but it just seems more sense to find something in the sea with claws to be a lobster, or crab or something, how to they get the idea that it would belong with the scorpion family, and whos to say that scorpions arent just land lobsters? :| dumb question i know, but its somewhat of a nice observation....no?
because this is a sea scorpion (note that "scorpion" is somewhat of a misnomer, it is a Helicerate, but not an Arachnid):



and this is a lobster:







sea scorpions have heliceres, something that distinguishes the whole subphylum Helicerata from Crustaceans...
 
Jan 30, 2007
846
0
0
40
#9
but whos to say that a lobster isnt just an evolutioned "sea scorpion" or the other way around....doesnt every living thing go back to some weird lookin thing that evolutioned out of the water and onto land?
 

ThaG

Sicc OG
Jun 30, 2005
9,597
1,687
113
#13
if you are interested and you want info on how systematics (especially molecular one) is done and what the phylogeny of Arthropods is, I can give you a lot more, I am serious
 
Mar 12, 2005
8,118
17
0
36
#18
If you were offered a teaching Job in the US would you accept? Well take into account that it fits your standards? Cause I know some Foreign friends of mine who are very intellectual in science and religion, but say they will never teach in the US.
 

ThaG

Sicc OG
Jun 30, 2005
9,597
1,687
113
#19
If you were offered a teaching Job in the US would you accept? Well take into account that it fits your standards? Cause I know some Foreign friends of mine who are very intellectual in science and religion, but say they will never teach in the US.
I want a research position at a major educational institution in about 7-8 years from now. I will have to teach there