Scientist Finds the Beginnings of Morality in Primate Behavior

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Scientist Finds the Beginnings of Morality in Primate Behavior

Some animals are surpsingly sensitive to the plight of others. Chimpanzees, who cannot swim, have drowned in zoo moats trying to save others. Given the chance to get food by pulling a chain that would also deliver an electric shock to a companion, rhesus monkeys will starve themselves for several days.

Biologists argue that these and other social behaviors are the precursors of human morality. They further believe that if morality grew out of behavioral rules shaped by evolution, it is for biologists, not philosophers or theologians, to say what these rules are.

Moral philosophers do not take very seriously the biologists’ bid to annex their subject, but they find much of interest in what the biologists say and have started an academic conversation with them.

The original call to battle was sounded by the biologist Edward O. Wilson more than 30 years ago, when he suggested in his 1975 book “Sociobiology” that “the time has come for ethics to be removed temporarily from the hands of the philosophers and biologicized.” He may have jumped the gun about the time having come, but in the intervening decades biologists have made considerable progress.

Last year Marc Hauser, an evolutionary biologist at Harvard, proposed in his book “Moral Minds” that the brain has a genetically shaped mechanism for acquiring moral rules, a universal moral grammar similar to the neural machinery for learning language. In another recent book, “Primates and Philosophers,” the primatologist Frans de Waal defends against philosopher critics his view that the roots of morality can be seen in the social behavior of monkeys and apes.

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A fascinating 3 page read.
 
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More liberal giberal mumbo jumbo designed to hate on hip-hop Conservative faux Muslims who look like Carlton attempting to speak Swahili.

I should write a rap about this so laced with metaphors and double entendres, you Berkeley hippies would drop your marijuana doobies on the floor and break them.
 
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An article from the New York times that is actually biased? Nah!

@ Sixx

Weren't we debating morality a few years ago (maybe more or less) and I believe you said something along the lines of you not believing in morals/ethics. Does this change your view on that?
 
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No, I don't think I ever said that. I may have said morality is subjective to a certain extent.

An article I posted in 2003:
Is Religion the Source of Morality?


Another article I posted in 2003:
Atheists with morals

In a discussion with HERESY from 2004:
2-0-Sixx said:
If we go way back HERESY, to primitive man, we know that somewhere along the lines between our ancestors and humans we began to think…we developed self-consciousness. That means we also gained a sense of morality, we learned to communicate, we learned the nature of life- meaning we learned about death of others, and are own. Evidence shows our brains enlarged which means we were thinking more than ever. Abstract and conceptual thinking occurred and so on.
2-0-Sixx said:
It's human nature to continue to live through the struggles. You don't need the belief in god to have motivation or morality, it's in our genetic makeup. Humans evolved as social animals- we are social and compassionate by nature. It goes against our instincts to want to give up on life.
Good quote by White Devil that I agreed with:
"In my opinion, however, ethics and morality predate religion and also are not incumbent on religion for existence. Kohlberg's stages of moral development, (probably the most popular/simple model of morality http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/html/kohlberg.htm ) beginning with absolute self-interest and ending with a comprehensive view of society and a grander gestalt into which one fits, do not require any sort of religious beliefs or views."
 

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the time when we'll know the detailed neuronal circuitry and molecular mechanisms responsible for our behaviour is not that far (I would say 30 years)

people are doing amazing stuff in Drosophila and mouse, it is a matter of time to completely understand the behaviour of the model organisms and apply the techniques (and develop new ones, of course; genetically engineering peope is not especially practical) to humans