Schwarzenegger Declines Debate Challenge

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Schwarzenegger Declines Debate Challenge
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By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer
source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=511&e=4&u=/ap/20030926/ap_on_el_gu/davis_recall

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. - Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites) challenged Arnold Schwarzenegger to a debate "right here, right now," accusing the actor Friday of distorting his record. The Schwarzenegger campaign declined.


Davis' challenge was the most direct confrontation the governor has made during the campaign leading up to the Oct. 7 recall election and came as Schwarzenegger won the backing of another conservative Republican politician.


"Right here, right now, I challenge him to a debate," Davis said at a rally aimed it building support among women. He accused Schwarzenegger of distorting his record on such issues as taxes, health care and jobs and of misstating facts about California's problems.


Former Texas Gov. Ann Richards warmed up the pro-Davis crowd, calling on Davis not to let Schwarzenegger's statements go unchallenged.


"Call him out," she declared.


Schwarzenegger will refuse the challenge, campaign spokesman Sean Walsh said.


"Our campaign has to convince the public that of the individuals who will replace Gray Davis, we have the vision, we have the discipline and we have the popular will to change California," Walsh said. "So, sorry, Gray, you are on your own, pal."


Schwarzenegger picked up the support Friday of the Republican congressman who bankrolled the recall effort.


Rep. Darrell Issa (news, bio, voting record)'s announcement, at Schwarzenegger's campaign headquarters, appeared to have little effect on state Sen. Tom McClintock, the one other prominent Republican still in the race.


McClintock unveiled a new campaign ad and said Schwarzenegger should step aside.


"I would not be in this race if I did not believe I could win," McClintock said. "You all know a lot can happen in the final days of a campaign. I'm the one moving up and gaining very rapidly, from what I've been told."


Issa said Schwarzenegger is the only candidate positioned to end what he called the failed policies of Davis and other Democrats.


"Without a doubt," Issa said, "only one man has been able to stand above the rest to make it clear that there will be a direction change away from the pay-to-play Bustamante-Davis way of doing business."


The latter reference was a swipe at Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, who has been in a virtual dead heat in some recent polls with Schwarzenegger among candidates to replace Davis.


Although Issa never mentioned McClintock during his remarks, he released a statement that said the conservative Republican's "continued candidacy threatens to undermine the success of the recall election."


Davis' rally among women came as some questioned whether Schwarzenegger's aggressive performance during Wednesday night's debate would alienate women voters. During the debate, the action star traded one-liners and insults with independent Arianna Huffington.


Huffington said it showed a pattern of treating women badly, an allegation Schwarzenegger's aides dismissed.


Davis was also buoyed by New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites), who briefly addressed the crowd by phone.

"I hope you all will vote no on the recall," she said. "Let's make it absolutely clear that California is not going to be stampeded by the same right-wingers who gave us the election in Florida."

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Associated Press Writers Anna Oberthur contributed to this story.
 
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why would he debate grey davis?????? he isnt running against him, also the point of this would have been to try to deface arnold in hopes bustamante would get more votes.

thats why he only chalenged bustamante's serious appoinent.
 
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proppa said:
why would he debate grey davis?????? he isnt running against him, also the point of this would have been to try to deface arnold in hopes bustamante would get more votes.

thats why he only chalenged bustamante's serious appoinent.

in other words Arnold is a pussy
 
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proppa said:
why didnt grey davis chalenge bustamante???????
oooooookaay, moron

someone didnt read the article here a excerpt:

"He [Davis] accused Schwarzenegger of distorting his record on such issues as taxes, health care and jobs and of misstating facts about California's problems. "
 
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he wouldnt only acuse him and only did because hes a legitament republic threat to bustamante.

davis is getting recalled. arnold or bustamante are going to be govoner.


he wouldnt call anyone but arnold, cause arnold is a fucking threat to bustamante.


arnold is a pussy??????????????? because he dosent want to be slandered to death by a losser ass has been never was govenor.

fuck grey davis for that shit. he needs to shut his mouth and sit the fuck down. even bustamante said that grey davis did a bad job. lmao
 
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he wouldnt only acuse him and only did because hes a legitament republic threat to bustamante.

davis is getting recalled. arnold or bustamante are going to be govoner.


he wouldnt call anyone but arnold, cause arnold is a fucking threat to bustamante.


arnold is a pussy??????????????? because he dosent want to be slandered to death by a losser ass has been never was govenor.

fuck grey davis for that shit. he needs to shut his mouth and sit the fuck down. even bustamante said that grey davis did a bad job. lmao

NOOOOO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!!

of course he wants to debate him, because he is a threat to Davis on the republican side, you dont need to be a rocket scienctist to figured out that one.

the point of the elections is not to make one self look pretty in pictures, and tv ads....its also to debate, Arnold has been avoiding them since the start, if you can't handle a debate, and give answers, why would someone vote for him? this man, acts like bush.
 
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here's why

proppa said:
why would he debate grey davis?????? he isnt running against him, also the point of this would have been to try to deface arnold in hopes bustamante would get more votes.

thats why he only chalenged bustamante's serious appoinent.
Well, the fact is that the recall support is at 52-54% according to current polls, which means that Gray Davis has a very good chance to remain in office. The election has two portions: The first portion is a "yes or no" to recall Davis, and the second is who should recall Davis if there is a majority of yes votes. Thus, Gray Davis has not been recalled yet, and there is a VERY good chance that he will not get recalled. Therefore, Arnold is in fact running as much against Davis as he is against Bustamante and the others. I think this is pretty clear since Arnold, McClintoch, and the others against Davis still fill their speeches about where they think Gray has got wrong.

Now, in the process of proving his case against Davis, Arnold has allegedly misrepresented facts and twisted information. (Shocking concept considering that we're talking politics, eh?) All joking aside, that is why Davis challenged Arnold; because he feels that Arnold is lying about him. Gray wants to maintain his place as governor, and he felt confident that a debate would rally support for him, and give him a chance to set the record straight. Thus, your contention that Davis' challenge is "to deface arnold in hopes bustamante would get more votes" is 100% FALSE, because the debate is intended to keep Gray in office and damn everyone else.

Personally, I think Arnold is doing the smartest thing for his campaign. Sure, it makes him look like a total pussy running away from a fight--but, does anyone think he could hold a candle to Davis in a debate? Hell no. Arnold gets information about a few issues from his brain-trust, and then he goes out and regurgitates their words into a camera. He's an actor, that's one thing he can do. In an unscripted debate with Davis, all issues would be on the table and Davis has the knowledge to speak on all of them. Arnold would be up on stage trying to refute Davis' claims on most issues with "we need leadership and after school programs." LMAO

The last thing Arnold would want is an event to rally support for Davis, and that is exactly what that debate would have amounted to. I can't blame Davis for trying, afterall, he had to speak up about Arnold's dirty tactics, but I doubt he ever expected Arnold to accept the challenge.

On October 7th, I'll show my support for the governor. Whether you like Davis, Arnold, Bustamante, or whoever, do CA a favor and get involved. VOTE.
 
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Re: here's why

Derek J said:
Well, the fact is that the recall support is at 52-54% according to current polls, which means that Gray Davis has a very good chance to remain in office.
you obviously got your math education in the California public schools system. if i hear polls constantly giving those numbers you psoted i would say he has a very good chance to be recalled not retained.

Derek J said:
Therefore, Arnold is in fact running as much against Davis as he is against Bustamante and the others.
arnold is NOT running against Davis, in fact no1 is running against davis. the only people Davis is running against is the People of California

Derek J said:
Gray wants to maintain his place as governor, and he felt confident that a debate would rally support for him, and give him a chance to set the record straight.
what he is trying to do is make the recall into a democrat VS. Republican race because he knows full well that California is about 65% (D) and about 30% (R). so he thinks he has a better chance of beating arnoldin a D v. R race than beating the recall based on his disgraceful record as governor.

Derek J said:
Thus, your contention that Davis' challenge is "to deface arnold in hopes bustamante would get more votes" is 100% FALSE, because the debate is intended to keep Gray in office and damn everyone else.
agreed, grey "out" davis doesnt care about bustamante, he doesnt care about any1 but himself, he always has gone after his own democrats (example: Feinstein).

Derek J said:
In an unscripted debate with Davis, all issues would be on the table and Davis has the knowledge to speak on all of them.
i doubt Davis would waqnt to debate any1 on the issues about his governship, i mean he really fucked things up very badly.

grey "out" davis just issued the challenge as a bluff because he knew Arnold would decline and figured he wouold try and use it as good PR

Derek J said:
On October 7th, I'll show my support for the governor. Whether you like Davis, Arnold, Bustamante, or whoever, do CA a favor and get involved. VOTE.
McClintock is my man but i am not sure yet and wont be sure until the last minute if i will vote for him or Arnold. if it looks like McClintock cant win i will probly go with Arnold because if there is one thing i want less than Grey "skies" Davis to remain as governor it is for Bustamante to win.
 
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By no means do I support Ahnold but Grey Davis had his chance and didn't join the debate last week.
He's as much of a pussy as Ahnold is....
I don't remember if he was invited to join that debate in the first place since he is the governor and not a recall candidate. Don't jump to conclusions.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
you obviously got your math education in the California public schools system. if i hear polls constantly giving those numbers you psoted i would say he has a very good chance to be recalled not retained.


Obviously the current polls show a support for a recall, but you must be blind if you think that is overwhelming proof. Public opinion sways quickly. Plus, you can never be 100% sure that the polling organizations used proper sampling techinques, etc.



arnold is NOT running against Davis, in fact no1 is running against davis. the only people Davis is running against is the People of California
I know you got my point in the first place, but I'll explain anyways. Technically, Davis is running against anyone. However, he is campaigning to save his job, and his opponents are campaigning to take his job, which makes it ALMOST like a normal race.

what he is trying to do is make the recall into a democrat VS. Republican race because he knows full well that California is about 65% (D) and about 30% (R). so he thinks he has a better chance of beating arnoldin a D v. R race than beating the recall based on his disgraceful record as governor.
Of course, Davis wants to rally as much support as possible, and since the Republican started the recall, it makes sense he would attack them because it makes the recall itself look bad.

agreed, grey "out" davis doesnt care about bustamante, he doesnt care about any1 but himself, he always has gone after his own democrats (example: Feinstein).



i doubt Davis would waqnt to debate any1 on the issues about his governship, i mean he really fucked things up very badly.
I'm not wholly convinced of that. He's obviously handled some things poorly, but the entire nation is in the can right now, which shows that CA is not the only state hurting. The energy crisis was definitely not all his fault since P. Wilson initiated deregulation, and the energy generators did illegally force price increases. (Note: Davis did handle the situation very poorly, and deserves much of the credit, but not as much as Republicans try to put on him). Additionally, the dotcom implosion weighed heavily on the state economy, and that obviously was not Davis' fault.

grey "out" davis just issued the challenge as a bluff because he knew Arnold would decline and figured he wouold try and use it as good PR
I'm in 100% agreement with this statement.

McClintock is my man but i am not sure yet and wont be sure until the last minute if i will vote for him or Arnold. if it looks like McClintock cant win i will probly go with Arnold because if there is one thing i want less than Grey "skies" Davis to remain as governor it is for Bustamante to win.
I feel similarly about Bustamante. I'll vote for him if McClintock gains too much ground.