SCHOOL SHOOTINGS
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That would make it worse if anything..
Can you see ...Ms. Stevens (little old white lady) that teaches 7th grade...carrying a gun and JOSE a big ass mexican kid comes in and gets into a fight with a kid. Then he pushes Ms. Stevens over and grabs the gun from her and shoots the other kid....
FUCK NO THAT WOULDNT WORK!!!!
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That would significantly change the learning climate in a school. I would not even think about being in support of an idea like this unless we put some stringent standards as to what it takes to be a public school teacher. Nowadays, practically anybody can be a teacher, and there are plenty of them that I would not want to be armed.
I THOUGHT COLUMBINE WAS THE WORST BUT LOOK AT THIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
look im new folks so wasup , actually not so much as new but i use to have another name on here back in the day, it a trip to see hersey still around, my opinion is it a fucked up world when kids start shoting up schools but we should also remember what is it that drove the kid to that point?, did he have any friends?, was he depressed?, shit like that becuase somthing gotta snap , any of y'all get where im geting at?, peace out
Homicides in US schools
source: Source: National School Safety Center report
Causes of Death in Young People (1999)
The risk of death by school homicide is miniscule in comparison to other causes. In fact, based on 93 incidents that occurred in the nation's 119,000 schools over a ten-year period, the annual probability of a school experiencing a student-perpetrated homicide is about 1 in 11,520.
The odds of a school experiencing a student-perpetrated homicide from 1992 to 2002 were 1 in 11,520. Federal Statistics put the number of children in school around 140 million.
Thus, the odds of your child dying in a school shooting during a more active period of time than recently (as far as school shootings go) are around 1 in a million.
The Safe School Initiative is mainly about the idea of "threat assessment" as a viable way to combat school shootings, and says that this may stop some school shootings. As far as their statistical findings, I really doubt they vary much from the graph I just posted.
Its from a PDF but page 6 states "the odds a child would die by homicide or suicide are no greater than 1 in one million." This includes suicide at school, which does happen. I'm sure if suicide was ruled out the chance will probably be slimmer.
This is completely incorrect, but it isn't hard to listen to the topics frequently discussed on TV, the radio, at work, etc.
When people say "our children aren't safe in schools" when there is a 1 in a million chance that your child will die at school...thats hysteria.
I have no problem with the first half of this paragraph. As to the idea that an increase in youth violent crime, whether petty, fatal, or somewhere inbetween, I would ask; is the increase statistically relevant? In addition, how much of it is cultural in terms of mass media exposure to violence, and how much will actually lead to more homicide in schools? I guess that relates back to how pronounced the recent increase is.
First, I am among those people, and I would prefer to worry about something more likely to be a real issue to my child. Even if the prevalence of school shootings doubled, and the chance was one in 500,000, I could still have a host of issues more likely to affect my child to worry about.
And yes to the last question, but would it even still be relevant then? 3 a week would be 156 a year, which would be around 3 times our most violent recent year. Even then, it still would likely not affect my child.
I made that statement based on an interview with someone who was a sociologist and statistician working on school and other types of violence. I don't remember the name of the guy or w/e. But with 1 in 10,000 schools experiencing shootings, I would not doubt at all that more shootings occur at the places listed above. It's all about what gets media attention.
source: Source: National School Safety Center report
Causes of Death in Young People (1999)
The risk of death by school homicide is miniscule in comparison to other causes. In fact, based on 93 incidents that occurred in the nation's 119,000 schools over a ten-year period, the annual probability of a school experiencing a student-perpetrated homicide is about 1 in 11,520.
The odds of a school experiencing a student-perpetrated homicide from 1992 to 2002 were 1 in 11,520. Federal Statistics put the number of children in school around 140 million.
Thus, the odds of your child dying in a school shooting during a more active period of time than recently (as far as school shootings go) are around 1 in a million.
The Safe School Initiative is mainly about the idea of "threat assessment" as a viable way to combat school shootings, and says that this may stop some school shootings. As far as their statistical findings, I really doubt they vary much from the graph I just posted.
Its from a PDF but page 6 states "the odds a child would die by homicide or suicide are no greater than 1 in one million." This includes suicide at school, which does happen. I'm sure if suicide was ruled out the chance will probably be slimmer.
This is completely incorrect, but it isn't hard to listen to the topics frequently discussed on TV, the radio, at work, etc.
When people say "our children aren't safe in schools" when there is a 1 in a million chance that your child will die at school...thats hysteria.
I have no problem with the first half of this paragraph. As to the idea that an increase in youth violent crime, whether petty, fatal, or somewhere inbetween, I would ask; is the increase statistically relevant? In addition, how much of it is cultural in terms of mass media exposure to violence, and how much will actually lead to more homicide in schools? I guess that relates back to how pronounced the recent increase is.
First, I am among those people, and I would prefer to worry about something more likely to be a real issue to my child. Even if the prevalence of school shootings doubled, and the chance was one in 500,000, I could still have a host of issues more likely to affect my child to worry about.
And yes to the last question, but would it even still be relevant then? 3 a week would be 156 a year, which would be around 3 times our most violent recent year. Even then, it still would likely not affect my child.
I made that statement based on an interview with someone who was a sociologist and statistician working on school and other types of violence. I don't remember the name of the guy or w/e. But with 1 in 10,000 schools experiencing shootings, I would not doubt at all that more shootings occur at the places listed above. It's all about what gets media attention.
The problem with these stats and with your argument is both are comparing deaths due to HIV, accidents, suicide and homicide to deaths that happen at an INSTITUTION. Yes, the numbers are small in comparison to hiv and accidents, but are the numbers small compared to deaths at other institutions/establishments?
First off, where does your 1 in 11,520 figure come from? Second, I don't see how you can make the leap from 1 in 11,520 to 1 in a million. Please elaborate.
While their stats are similar in some cases, they are addressing the point I was trying to make posts ago. School shootings may have taken a dip (and from the chart you posted they seem to fluctuate a lot), but in other areas the type one crimes commited by students have not, and this is something that needs to be addressed. So, while they might not be shooting each other on campus, it is not far fetched to say that they are not shotting off campus and that these numbers have not climbed (when compared to on campus violence.)
This is where you get the 1 million figure?
People have a right to say their children are not safe, and while you may think 1 in a million is some outstanding teh number, the fact that it does happen and that copycat crimes usually follow it is enough to be concerned over. Again, you have to look at school and the function of schools, and when this is compromised it doesn't matter if the number is 1 in a million or 1 in 645,999,777,333,400,888,338,865,123,456,789 the fact that is happening is a cause for concern, and when it comes to people and their children they have a right as a parent to voice their opinions.
Is this the increase statistically relevant? Sure it is. We are talking about students and how the percentage of violent crimes on campus have gone down, but the increase of violent crimes off campus have gone up. As for your question pertaining to how much of it is culturual in terms of mass media exposure to violence, I posted a link several pages back (probably a page ago) where someone addressed this issue in some fashion. The guy basically said when you have shootings copycat crimes and more shootings usually follow (and I believe he said they happen within a short period of time but DON'T quote me on that.)
The flipside is those issue may have taken a significant dip to where they are now the 1 in a million chance.
Three a week would not affect your child? First off it would effect EVERYONE because mass hysteria would ensue "And in todays news Peter North jr just cut down 12 kids with an ak 47 in what appears to be a copycat crime of yesterdays school assault but Ron Jeremy the third in which 16 students and 4 adults were killed." You don't think hearing about that three times a week is alarming?
I'm sure the so-called christians in america would have made a fuss if church shootings were happening at the rate of school shootings.
First off, where does your 1 in 11,520 figure come from? Second, I don't see how you can make the leap from 1 in 11,520 to 1 in a million. Please elaborate.
While their stats are similar in some cases, they are addressing the point I was trying to make posts ago. School shootings may have taken a dip (and from the chart you posted they seem to fluctuate a lot), but in other areas the type one crimes commited by students have not, and this is something that needs to be addressed. So, while they might not be shooting each other on campus, it is not far fetched to say that they are not shotting off campus and that these numbers have not climbed (when compared to on campus violence.)
This is where you get the 1 million figure?
People have a right to say their children are not safe, and while you may think 1 in a million is some outstanding teh number, the fact that it does happen and that copycat crimes usually follow it is enough to be concerned over. Again, you have to look at school and the function of schools, and when this is compromised it doesn't matter if the number is 1 in a million or 1 in 645,999,777,333,400,888,338,865,123,456,789 the fact that is happening is a cause for concern, and when it comes to people and their children they have a right as a parent to voice their opinions.
Is this the increase statistically relevant? Sure it is. We are talking about students and how the percentage of violent crimes on campus have gone down, but the increase of violent crimes off campus have gone up. As for your question pertaining to how much of it is culturual in terms of mass media exposure to violence, I posted a link several pages back (probably a page ago) where someone addressed this issue in some fashion. The guy basically said when you have shootings copycat crimes and more shootings usually follow (and I believe he said they happen within a short period of time but DON'T quote me on that.)
The flipside is those issue may have taken a significant dip to where they are now the 1 in a million chance.
Three a week would not affect your child? First off it would effect EVERYONE because mass hysteria would ensue "And in todays news Peter North jr just cut down 12 kids with an ak 47 in what appears to be a copycat crime of yesterdays school assault but Ron Jeremy the third in which 16 students and 4 adults were killed." You don't think hearing about that three times a week is alarming?
I'm sure the so-called christians in america would have made a fuss if church shootings were happening at the rate of school shootings.
I was listening to an interview with a man who studies violence in America and his conclusion was that schools rank very low, in a near-bottom rank that fluctuates with churches.
Restaurants, hotels, workplaces, public parks, parking lots, and even highways ranked higher than schools.
1 in 11,520 schools were likely to experience a homicide. One in a million children. Both from the national child safety center.
Fair enough.
From the Child Initiative you posted as well as the NCSC.
I am in no way against people voicing concerns. I'm saying we can divert massive amounts of federal funding to save 40 lives, or we can divert massive amounts of federal funding to save thousands. To me, that is a very cut and dry issue. In some ways the harming of children is more grievous and more regrettable, however what about when a breadwinning father or a single mother is killed? Is the effect not greater and the potential sorrow and misery worse?
Do you have the stats? I would like to see the increase. (Not arguing your point, just curious)
It would be, but that is where more intelligent and informative media should be necessary.
Restaurants, hotels, workplaces, public parks, parking lots, and even highways ranked higher than schools.
1 in 11,520 schools were likely to experience a homicide. One in a million children. Both from the national child safety center.
Fair enough.
From the Child Initiative you posted as well as the NCSC.
I am in no way against people voicing concerns. I'm saying we can divert massive amounts of federal funding to save 40 lives, or we can divert massive amounts of federal funding to save thousands. To me, that is a very cut and dry issue. In some ways the harming of children is more grievous and more regrettable, however what about when a breadwinning father or a single mother is killed? Is the effect not greater and the potential sorrow and misery worse?
Do you have the stats? I would like to see the increase. (Not arguing your point, just curious)
It would be, but that is where more intelligent and informative media should be necessary.
This was at my son's school last week...
Caldwell High goes into lockdown after teen brings loaded gun on campus
FIRST ON KTVB.COM
07:06 PM MDT on Friday, September 29, 2006
John Masters
KTVB.COM
Eric Westrom-KTVB
Caldwell High School went into lockdown today after a teenager brought a loaded gun on campus.
CALDWELL -- Caldwell High School went into lockdown today after a teenage boy brought a loaded gun to school today.
Assistant Superintendent Roger Quarles said the boy with the gun was not a student.
He says the boy came to campus around 7:55 a.m. looking for some male friends. He did not find them, but hooked up with four females. The boy then spotted a teenager he was looking for and the two got into a fight. Quarles says that fight quickly became a five on one situation.
During the altercation the boy who was not a student dropped a loaded gun. Another student picked up the gun and gave it to a teacher. There were no shots fired during the fight.
The boy who brought the gun on campus then fled the school, but people at the high school were able to provide police with the boy's name and a description of his car.
Caldwell police have apprehended the 15-year-old suspect.
During an afternoon press conference, Caldwell Police Chief Bob Sobba said the incident at Caldwell High and at least four recent shootings this week appear to have been committed by the same group of juveniles.
Police have been tracking four juveniles that were released this past week from the detention center.
The 15-year-old boy arrested today for bringing a loaded gun to Caldwell High was charged with five crimes, including carrying a gun on school property, trespassing, carrying a concealed weapon, aggravated assault and obstructing an officer.
The teen and another boy were arrested at an apartment at 2600 S. Georgia where six people were hanging out.
Sobba says the 15-year-old has an extensive criminal history that includes the crimes of robbery and burglary.
Sobba says four recent shootings in Caldwell this past week are gang-related.
Quarles says Caldwell High was put in lockdown this morning, which meant the perimeter of the school was closed, teachers shut doors and students were not allowed in the halls.
"We take it seriously. Health and safety of our students comes first," said Quarles.
Additional school resources officers were on campus following the incident.
Some parents were worried and about 300 children went home early.
Quarles said school is the safest place for children and encouraged parents to let students finish their classes.
When asked how a non-student with a gun could get on campus, Quarles said the boy looked like any other student.
We are told that the entire incident was captured on surveillance video.
Caldwell High goes into lockdown after teen brings loaded gun on campus
FIRST ON KTVB.COM
07:06 PM MDT on Friday, September 29, 2006
John Masters
KTVB.COM
Eric Westrom-KTVB
Caldwell High School went into lockdown today after a teenager brought a loaded gun on campus.
CALDWELL -- Caldwell High School went into lockdown today after a teenage boy brought a loaded gun to school today.
Assistant Superintendent Roger Quarles said the boy with the gun was not a student.
He says the boy came to campus around 7:55 a.m. looking for some male friends. He did not find them, but hooked up with four females. The boy then spotted a teenager he was looking for and the two got into a fight. Quarles says that fight quickly became a five on one situation.
During the altercation the boy who was not a student dropped a loaded gun. Another student picked up the gun and gave it to a teacher. There were no shots fired during the fight.
The boy who brought the gun on campus then fled the school, but people at the high school were able to provide police with the boy's name and a description of his car.
Caldwell police have apprehended the 15-year-old suspect.
During an afternoon press conference, Caldwell Police Chief Bob Sobba said the incident at Caldwell High and at least four recent shootings this week appear to have been committed by the same group of juveniles.
Police have been tracking four juveniles that were released this past week from the detention center.
The 15-year-old boy arrested today for bringing a loaded gun to Caldwell High was charged with five crimes, including carrying a gun on school property, trespassing, carrying a concealed weapon, aggravated assault and obstructing an officer.
The teen and another boy were arrested at an apartment at 2600 S. Georgia where six people were hanging out.
Sobba says the 15-year-old has an extensive criminal history that includes the crimes of robbery and burglary.
Sobba says four recent shootings in Caldwell this past week are gang-related.
Quarles says Caldwell High was put in lockdown this morning, which meant the perimeter of the school was closed, teachers shut doors and students were not allowed in the halls.
"We take it seriously. Health and safety of our students comes first," said Quarles.
Additional school resources officers were on campus following the incident.
Some parents were worried and about 300 children went home early.
Quarles said school is the safest place for children and encouraged parents to let students finish their classes.
When asked how a non-student with a gun could get on campus, Quarles said the boy looked like any other student.
We are told that the entire incident was captured on surveillance video.
FUK THE LAWS. THE STORY KALYN POSTED SOUND LIKE THE TYPICAL OVER-EXXAgERRATED BULLSHIT THEY DO. THE 15 YEAR OLD BROUgHT A gUN AND DIDN'T USE IT. THEY CONFISCATED THE STRAP. BUT THE CHARgES ARE IgNORANT. "charged with five crimes, including carrying a gun on school property, trespassing, carrying a concealed weapon, aggravated assault and obstructing an officer."
ISN'T CARRYIN' A gUN THE SAME AS CARRYIN' A CONCEALED WEAPON? AND WHICH OFFICER DID HE OBSTRUCT? THE MUTHA-FUKA LEFT.
MY POINT IS THAT IN THIS HYSTERIA AND PARANOIA, THEY ACTIN' AFTER THE FACT AND BRINgIN' EXTRA CHARgES THAT WOULD MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE 15 YEAR OLD DID ALL KIND OF DIRT.
ISN'T CARRYIN' A gUN THE SAME AS CARRYIN' A CONCEALED WEAPON? AND WHICH OFFICER DID HE OBSTRUCT? THE MUTHA-FUKA LEFT.
MY POINT IS THAT IN THIS HYSTERIA AND PARANOIA, THEY ACTIN' AFTER THE FACT AND BRINgIN' EXTRA CHARgES THAT WOULD MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE 15 YEAR OLD DID ALL KIND OF DIRT.
So what should happen to kids that bring guns on school campuses?
I believe he shoulda been charged with the first 3, not the last 2.
No. If your weapon is out in the open, then they can't charge you with concealing. This is hillbillies and hunting enthusiasts have gunracks on their trucks.
When you leave the scene, this is what it's called.
Kids who bring gats to school deserve harsh consequences. If a kid brought a gun to my child's school, I might not be hysterical and paranoid, but best believe I would be well beyond concerned.
I believe he shoulda been charged with the first 3, not the last 2.
No. If your weapon is out in the open, then they can't charge you with concealing. This is hillbillies and hunting enthusiasts have gunracks on their trucks.
When you leave the scene, this is what it's called.
Kids who bring gats to school deserve harsh consequences. If a kid brought a gun to my child's school, I might not be hysterical and paranoid, but best believe I would be well beyond concerned.
The media, for the most part, covers stories that are of little relevance, but that appeal to our basic human emotions (curiosity, fear, anger, etc.). They sensationalize these stories and make them appear to be more meaningful than what they are. The coverage of these school shootings is no different. They and other similar stories have virtually no impact on the lives of most people, however, we're drawn to them because they affect us emotionally.
So, in a sense, the media is responsible for the epidemic in school shootings because it's spawned a wave of copy cats that would have never given thought to this act had it not been for the constant coverage of it.
So, in a sense, the media is responsible for the epidemic in school shootings because it's spawned a wave of copy cats that would have never given thought to this act had it not been for the constant coverage of it.
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CONFISCATE THE SHIT AND PUT THEM IN SOME DETENTION CENTER AND FORCE THEM TO LEARN. MAYBE ONE CHARgE THAT WILL MAKE THEM THINK TWICE. 5 CHARgES IS IgNORANT. THEY ONLY DO THAT SHIT SO THE D.A CAN WHEEL AND DEAL AND OFFER TO DROP SOME OF THE CHARgES IF YOU PLEAD gUILTY TO ONE OR TWO.
JUST BRINgIN' A gUN AND MAYBE TRESPASSIN'(BUT IF THEY CAUgHT HIM RED-HANDED). NOT CHARgE HIM AFTER THE FACT.
I KNOW THAT LAW, BUT LIKE THAT YOUNgSTA REALLY gONNA FLAUNT THE STRAP, COME ON NOW.
AND IT'S IgNORANT. CAUSE HE WASN'T OBSTRUCTIN' SHIT. YOU ACT LIKE HE WENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRIME SCENE AND JUST STARTED KICCIN' THE EVIDENCE ALL AROUND.
UNNECESSARY MULTIPLE CHARgES AFTER THE FACT DON'T DO SHIT. I AgREE THOUgH, CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS IS JUSTICE. BUT EXTRA CHARgES THAT RELATE TO ONE INCIDENT AIN'T JUSTICE.
JUST BRINgIN' A gUN AND MAYBE TRESPASSIN'(BUT IF THEY CAUgHT HIM RED-HANDED). NOT CHARgE HIM AFTER THE FACT.
I KNOW THAT LAW, BUT LIKE THAT YOUNgSTA REALLY gONNA FLAUNT THE STRAP, COME ON NOW.
AND IT'S IgNORANT. CAUSE HE WASN'T OBSTRUCTIN' SHIT. YOU ACT LIKE HE WENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRIME SCENE AND JUST STARTED KICCIN' THE EVIDENCE ALL AROUND.
UNNECESSARY MULTIPLE CHARgES AFTER THE FACT DON'T DO SHIT. I AgREE THOUgH, CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS IS JUSTICE. BUT EXTRA CHARgES THAT RELATE TO ONE INCIDENT AIN'T JUSTICE.