SCHOOL SHOOTINGS
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No sir, and lol @ "foiled". Shit sounds like Scooby Doo or something.
Yet, even if schools are more unsafe now then in years past, I'm just not ready to pin any significant portion of that on media coverage, just like I'm not gonna believe that video games make kids more violent. More desensitized to violence? Yes. More prone to violence? No.
Yet, even if schools are more unsafe now then in years past, I'm just not ready to pin any significant portion of that on media coverage, just like I'm not gonna believe that video games make kids more violent. More desensitized to violence? Yes. More prone to violence? No.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061003/cluster_shootings_061003/20061003/
Everyone partaking in this thread (readers and posters) should hit this link.
Here is an excerpt:
Coleman immediately began pointing out similarities between that high-profile shooting and the previous two.
According to Coleman, the size and time of the cluster can depend on the amount of media coverage. The Dawson College shooting received a tremendous amount of attention. When he sees an event like that, he immediately considers the possibility of more, as he indicated to CTV.
Everyone partaking in this thread (readers and posters) should hit this link.
Here is an excerpt:
Coleman immediately began pointing out similarities between that high-profile shooting and the previous two.
According to Coleman, the size and time of the cluster can depend on the amount of media coverage. The Dawson College shooting received a tremendous amount of attention. When he sees an event like that, he immediately considers the possibility of more, as he indicated to CTV.
Are those deaths related to school or school events? To be honest it is not out of the norm to expect for students to die from car accidents (which is why they promote no drinking before prom nights), you expect for them to die of diseases (many schools have "groups" and raise money for other students who have cancer and hiv) and you can expect for casualties to happen off campus (gangs, stray bullet, gettin stomped out whatever.)
You DO NOT expect for your child to be molested and slaughtered at school. The bottom line is schools are supposed to be institutions of learning, and schools are usually the first place one is socialized outside of the home. You can spin it all you want and make it seem as if this is a small and isolated incident, but the fact that people are dying in a place that is supposed to be "safe" is enough to be concerned.
You DO NOT expect for your child to be molested and slaughtered at school. The bottom line is schools are supposed to be institutions of learning, and schools are usually the first place one is socialized outside of the home. You can spin it all you want and make it seem as if this is a small and isolated incident, but the fact that people are dying in a place that is supposed to be "safe" is enough to be concerned.
People die anywhere and everywhere. People are shot at home, in church, at funerals, etc.
The only real solution to school shootings, which:
I am not "spinning" the issue one bit. I would rather view the situation logically than get sucked into the Fox News hysteria regarding school shootings. Regardless of how horrific, unexpected, or sad these incidents are, to believe that one can somehow stop evil, perverse, or horrible events in this world is overfly hopeful at best. The reality is I would bet my life on the fact that not one person who posts here will have a child shot at school. It is unexpected, sad, and unfortunate but such things happen.
Would you rather...
Stop school shootings or secure our borders?
Stop school shootings or vaccinate all of the children in the country?
This issue is a catch 22, especially for civil libertarians and those who believe in the existence of globalists and supernational organizations, (many on this board). Increased school security would be another sign of "government control", "government suppression of student freedom", etc. It would be heralded even on this board as some sort of end times sign of a police state, not to mention the massive amounts of money it would take to put a security guard and metal detectors in every school in America and seal off students from coming in alternate routes or bringing guns to school.
You are letting the issue's emotionality cloud your judgement. No matter how horrible, sick, or sad it is, the fact is you will likely never experience it. Better to protect more children from being kidnapped or molested by a family member, neighbor, or family friend. One or both of those are issues that likely WILL affect someone close to you.
THat would be a far better expenditure than securing our schools, which are already safer than any other major institution or public location in America, including churches.
The only real solution to school shootings, which:
- Are fairly isolated events
- Have been decreasing for the past 9 years straight
I am not "spinning" the issue one bit. I would rather view the situation logically than get sucked into the Fox News hysteria regarding school shootings. Regardless of how horrific, unexpected, or sad these incidents are, to believe that one can somehow stop evil, perverse, or horrible events in this world is overfly hopeful at best. The reality is I would bet my life on the fact that not one person who posts here will have a child shot at school. It is unexpected, sad, and unfortunate but such things happen.
Would you rather...
Stop school shootings or secure our borders?
Stop school shootings or vaccinate all of the children in the country?
This issue is a catch 22, especially for civil libertarians and those who believe in the existence of globalists and supernational organizations, (many on this board). Increased school security would be another sign of "government control", "government suppression of student freedom", etc. It would be heralded even on this board as some sort of end times sign of a police state, not to mention the massive amounts of money it would take to put a security guard and metal detectors in every school in America and seal off students from coming in alternate routes or bringing guns to school.
You are letting the issue's emotionality cloud your judgement. No matter how horrible, sick, or sad it is, the fact is you will likely never experience it. Better to protect more children from being kidnapped or molested by a family member, neighbor, or family friend. One or both of those are issues that likely WILL affect someone close to you.
THat would be a far better expenditure than securing our schools, which are already safer than any other major institution or public location in America, including churches.
While this is true, and with the exception of the home the other places are more geared towards adults and not children. In addition, the situation is made worse when ADULTS are the ones commiting the shootings.
I don't believe the incidents are isolated to the extent you are trying to make the readers believe. Now, where is your evidence to support your claim that these are "fairly isolated events" and have been decreasing nine years straight? A decrease by how many? Is your claim supported by the Safe School Initiative and their findings?
You sound more and more like a dying pathethic white man with every post (you can thank me for the compliment later.) The fact is poor counties that are already underfunded do need help, but do you see the schools with money crying out and helping those who are underfunded? Also, while some poor counties may not have the funds to pay for school security one must consider the possibility of school security not even being a factor for that school or county. Also, who on this board is going to make charges concerning racial bias in school security?
Sure you are.
You watch Fox News everyday, and if you didn't you wouldn't even know there was some type of "hysteria".
The problems with most of these children are problems that were never really addressed at home. There is nothing wrong with being hopeful or making attempts to curb problems. Also, you have to consider the fact that while it may not be a school shooting today, it could be some other type of homicide or assualt tommorow (the number of violent crimes commited by youths has increased.)
The reality is this is a rap message board, but no one here is going to go platinum. Sorry, but that is just the way things are. You can bet your life all you want, but the truth is you have people on this site who have yet to have kids, and you have people here who will probably have kids within the next five to ten years. However, you do not know what the social climate will be like in this time, nor do you know what the economic future will hold for these people. You can start having three school shootings a week, and if so would the chances of someone here having a kid involved in one go up on the scale?
Is this a rhetorical question or do you want me to actually answer it?
Listen, if you are going to address or imply me then say it. Otherwise, I see no use in faggoty sneak attacks and "most people on the board" bull shit. Real chop.
In some cases I can see how this is possible.
Besides this being posted here, why are you assuming that the board participation or members are going to detract from any of these problems, and how are opinions here going to dictate how they are solved? If this is your way of being "ha ha funny guy" and doing something for shock value you need to do something else. I'm becoming bored here.
Normally I would politely tell you to shut the fuck up (in so many words), but since I am in a giving mood tonight I'll pretend I didn't read that.
And you come to this assessment based on what?
No one is denying this, and when instances like the ones you mentioned happen in/at places that are supposed to be safe that is enough for concern in itself.
How many church shootings have you had within the past nine years? How many rapes at churches have you had within the past nine years? How about assualts? How about any type 1 crime imaginiable?
I don't believe the incidents are isolated to the extent you are trying to make the readers believe. Now, where is your evidence to support your claim that these are "fairly isolated events" and have been decreasing nine years straight? A decrease by how many? Is your claim supported by the Safe School Initiative and their findings?
You sound more and more like a dying pathethic white man with every post (you can thank me for the compliment later.) The fact is poor counties that are already underfunded do need help, but do you see the schools with money crying out and helping those who are underfunded? Also, while some poor counties may not have the funds to pay for school security one must consider the possibility of school security not even being a factor for that school or county. Also, who on this board is going to make charges concerning racial bias in school security?
Sure you are.
You watch Fox News everyday, and if you didn't you wouldn't even know there was some type of "hysteria".
The problems with most of these children are problems that were never really addressed at home. There is nothing wrong with being hopeful or making attempts to curb problems. Also, you have to consider the fact that while it may not be a school shooting today, it could be some other type of homicide or assualt tommorow (the number of violent crimes commited by youths has increased.)
The reality is this is a rap message board, but no one here is going to go platinum. Sorry, but that is just the way things are. You can bet your life all you want, but the truth is you have people on this site who have yet to have kids, and you have people here who will probably have kids within the next five to ten years. However, you do not know what the social climate will be like in this time, nor do you know what the economic future will hold for these people. You can start having three school shootings a week, and if so would the chances of someone here having a kid involved in one go up on the scale?
Is this a rhetorical question or do you want me to actually answer it?
Listen, if you are going to address or imply me then say it. Otherwise, I see no use in faggoty sneak attacks and "most people on the board" bull shit. Real chop.
In some cases I can see how this is possible.
Besides this being posted here, why are you assuming that the board participation or members are going to detract from any of these problems, and how are opinions here going to dictate how they are solved? If this is your way of being "ha ha funny guy" and doing something for shock value you need to do something else. I'm becoming bored here.
Normally I would politely tell you to shut the fuck up (in so many words), but since I am in a giving mood tonight I'll pretend I didn't read that.
And you come to this assessment based on what?
No one is denying this, and when instances like the ones you mentioned happen in/at places that are supposed to be safe that is enough for concern in itself.
How many church shootings have you had within the past nine years? How many rapes at churches have you had within the past nine years? How about assualts? How about any type 1 crime imaginiable?
