SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

[mrraskal666]

The kid that brought the gun to skool and fled in North Las Vegas was some mexican cholo that was tryin to scare this black foo...the gun didnt have no bullets in it...but now hes a wanted suspect out here...that kid has no family his parents kicked him out a while back he was livin wit his homeboys but for what happened yesterday they kicked him out too so noone know where he is...

 

[enserio]

Um.. because it's a school. An institution where children recieve their primary education.

That didnt make much sense.. but what factors change the urgency? how bout the fact that it involved CHILDREN dying at an educational facility?

im not saying its not tragic. but ive heard of plenty of children dying in oakland and epa and rhichmond, etc. and none of their stories are national news.

PHX Sun never implied that you didn't think the deaths were tragic, he merely explained why he believed the school shootings were worthy of national media attention. I agree with him. It's definitely worthy of the national spotlight simply for the fact that these children are dying in a school. A place that is supposed to be safe for ALL kids. A place that for some is more safe than home.

little children and women are dying every second where im from (in the middle east, not necessarily Iran) and they are dismissed like ants on the news.

There are no parallels between living in war torn Iraq and Iran, and children dying in schools at the hands of another student.

i guarentee a shooting at an all black inner city school it would get maybe 10% of the news coverage as an all white suburban school.

I am sure many of us agree that the media is biased in it's coverage. They will chalk a shooting death in any innercity school to gang violence and it will definitely reach the local news. However, i don't believe a school shooting of this nature has occurred at a "black inner city school". Here is a recent timeline of school shootings: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

my point is not that school shootings are not tragic events, i just question the reasons behind a) why all shootings (or all shootings of children since u seem to think they're deaths mean more than any other persons) are not covered in the same extent as school shootings

No one is this thread has said that their deaths mean more than anyone elses. PHX Sun stated why the shootings should be worthy of national media. Why do you read that as someone here saying their lives are more important? It's about where they lost their lives.

and b) why all school shootings are not covered to the same extent as the rest, and what decided which ones are front page stories in all papers and which ones are not even on the front page of their local paper.

Media bias is a motherfucker for reals.

 

[I. Cold]

im not saying its not tragic. but ive heard of plenty of children dying in oakland and epa and rhichmond, etc.and none of their stories are national news.

but inside a school?

little children and women are dying every second where im from (in the middle east, not necessarily Iran) and they are dismissed like ants on the news.

On who's news network? American or Iranian?
It would be impossible for American media to report even death across the globe.

i guarentee a shooting at an all black inner city school it would get maybe 10% of the news coverage as an all white suburban school.

I completely disagree. I think it would get every bit of attention.

my point is not that school shootings are not tragic events, i just question the reasons behind a) why all shootings (or all shootings of children since u seem to think they're deaths mean more than any other persons) are not covered in the same extent as school shootings, and b) why all school shootings are not covered to the same extent as the rest, and what decided which ones are front page stories in all papers and which ones are not even on the front page of their local paper.

Like I said.. because they're kids. I'm not a father. and I'm assuming you aren't either. but when a child dies, it's a big deal. its tragic. its horrific.
ANY child. not just american. not just white. children dying should get more coverage than if some dumb ass gang banger from inglewood gets shot for robbin someone from another gang.

 

[[ n a v ]]

i agree, when its a crazy white boy running around shooting a buncha kids for no reason, sure it should merit some national coverage. but still, people get shot at school on numerous occasions, it might not be a columbine-style school shooting, but kids have gotten shot and stabbed at schools or in the parking lots etc without much coverage outside of their local news. just because its one kid shooting one or two kids instead of one kid shooting a buncha kids, its still children.

 

[enserio]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/

This is good discussion going on I like this. Now, here is another question for some of you to ponder. What do these shootings say about our society as a whole? For the most part, school is the first form of socialization outside of the home, so where should the problem actually be addressed?

As I said, school is one place that you naturally think is safe for your kids. For some kids, school is more safe than their homes. As a teacher, rule number one is make sure your students feel safe on campus and in your rooms. Without safety, there can be no learning.

Therefore, school shootings say a lot about our society as a whole. It says that we are not in tune with our children's emotional health, and our priorities, while stated properly, are not being achieved/maintained. To me, it's on par with infant mortality as far as being an indicator of how civilized a nation is.

 

[Hutch]

for example, when i was a late teen i tried to commit suicide at home, and it could have been prevented if my mom wasnt so blind to what was going on with me.

I'm sorry for your situation, but it's rarely that black and white. Many children don't display symptoms which suggest they might try to commit suicide. In fact, most children in that position deliberately bottle their feelings up which is what results in them trying to kill themselves. Regardless of how good at parenting you are, sometimes there are so few signs that there is little you can do to prevent it from happening.

There's a movie that's come out recently called 2:37 - it was made over here in Adelaide by a few high-school kids. It was based in a school with a wide diversity of personalities, and all we knew at the start was that a tragedy would happen at 2:37 (someone would kill themselves). Throughout the whole movie everyone guessed who was going to wind up committing suicide. When the clock hits 2:37 though, I was surprised to find out that it was the one child who didn't have 'problems' which ended up committing suicide. Often people are so self absorbed with their own lives and their own problems that they don't notice these subtleties, that's even when they are apparent!

Parents might be able to stop some of these school shooting by sitting down and discussing the childs problems. Far too often though, the parent thinks that the child is just going through one of those phases that they'll soon grow out of. Even still, would you blame any parent for NOT thinking that their child was going to shoot a bunch of people at school?

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

(c) whether it should attract media attention - a mixed answer. Yes it should, because it increases the publics awareness of what is happening.

There are 50 million children enrolled in school as we speak. We have had 25 incidents of school shootings this year, a "high" number.

School shootings recieve unusually high amounts of media attention, however, if "restaurant shootings", "office building shootings", or "parking lot shootings" got the same mythical status, people would be scared to park, eat out, or go to work.

Realistically, the chance that your child will ever be shot at school is about the same as the chance of them dying from a lightning bolt or an object falling out of the sky. It's another sensational non-issue.

 

[Ethereal]

If you really evaluate the benefit of covering a school shooting nationally you would realize that it does very little to help. How many of these kids got the idea from seeing it on television or reading about it on the internet. It's of no coincidence that after what happened in Columbine school shootings became more frequent. I really see no reason for it, not even for awareness. So no.

I don't think parents should be held responsible unless gross negligence can be proven. Period.

 

[enserio]

I'm not sure I see any benefits of national media coverage, but I'm not buying the argument that school shootings became more frequent after Columbine. If you look at the timeline I posted, it shows that during the 3 years prior to Columbine there were 8 incidents in the US. During the 8 years after, there were 15 incidents. Yes, that's more school shootings, but over a lot longer period of time.

 

[JLMACN]

^^^like Emenim said..

It happened in WHITE AMERICA (midwest) so its a big ass deal!


5000

 

[HERESY]

I'm not sure I see any benefits of national media coverage, but I'm not buying the argument that school shootings became more frequent after Columbine. If you look at the timeline I posted, it shows that during the 3 years prior to Columbine there were 8 incidents in the US. During the 8 years after, there were 15 incidents. Yes, that's more school shootings, but over a lot longer period of time.

But what about all of the attempted shootings that were stopped/foiled before they took place?

 

[EDJ]

^YOU KNOW SO FUNNY PLAYA? I WROTE A SONg IN 93' CALLED "SUICIDAL THOUgHTS" THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS SHIT. I HAVE THE MIDI FILE FOR THE BEAT AND THE LYRICS ARE SOMEWHERE STASHED.

 

[HERESY]

If the sounds used making the beat were GENERAL MIDI sounds all workstations will be able to play back the exact sounds. If they werent made using GM sounds you'll have to match them up.

 

[EDJ]

^SO THE MOTIF WOULD gENERATE THE ASR-10 SOUNDS? SHIT I WANTED YOU TO TAKE A CRAK AT IT. IF YOU WANT I'LL TYPE THE WORDS TO THE SONg TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHIN' YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WORKIN' WITH.

 

[HERESY]

Does the asr-10 have GM sounds? If it does and if the sounds in the midi file are gm sounds the answer is yes. If you don't have gm sounds you have to match the sounds up with something similar.

 

[EDJ]

^YEAH, I BELIEVE THEY DO. IT'S A MIDI FILE, YOU WANNA TAKE A CRAK AT IT THOUgH?

 

[HERESY]

It can be a midi file all day long, but if the sounds are not GM sounds they won't match up. Most sound modules and workstations have a bank dedicated to GM sounds and no matter what keyboard or module you use these sounds WILL play back. Some may be of lesser quality than some, but they are all the same sounds.

From my knowledge, the asr10 is simply a sampler, so I don't think it has a built in tone generator. Do you at least have a sample of the beat and how it is supposed to sound?

 

[HERESY]

Is it possible to have more gun control laws?

Is it possible for more gun control laws to come into play because of the recent shootings or shootings in general? What are your takes people?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Where ever there is poverty and no attention, it's almost impossible to rid the streets of crime. Good Example the Streets of LA, DC, and some cities in the Bay.

 

[EDJ]

It can be a midi file all day long, but if the sounds are not GM sounds they won't match up. Most sound modules and workstations have a bank dedicated to GM sounds and no matter what keyboard or module you use these sounds WILL play back. Some may be of lesser quality than some, but they are all the same sounds.

From my knowledge, the asr10 is simply a sampler, so I don't think it has a built in tone generator. Do you at least have a sample of the beat and how it is supposed to sound?

THAT'S THE THANg, I WENT TO JAIL AND THEY JUST LEFT MY VEHICLE THERE SO THEY JACCED WHAT I RECORDED(THE BEAT ON TAPE AND ALL MY STEREO EQUIPMENT). SO ALL I HAVE IS THAT MIDI FILE ON A DISK AND I REALLY DON'T FUK WITH MIDI(COMPUTER-WISE), UNLESS IT'S ALREADY ON MY BOARD(MOTIF). I REALLY JUST WANTED YOU TO TAKE A CRAK AT IT.