SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

HERESY · Oct 2, 2006

Within the past month we've had how many school shootings in thsi country make it to the media? I think the numbers are from five to eight, and if someone could confirm I'd appreciate it. Now, I have a question for you all, and the question is should school shootings be reported in NATIONAL media, and should parents be held responsible for school shootings (when children do it)?

Lets talk about it.

MataSkonkas · Oct 2, 2006

ITS ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO KEEP THE COUNTRY INFORMED BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT GIVES OTHER COOKY ASS KIDS IDEAS FOR WHEN THEY FEEL NEGLECTED AND NEED SOME ATTENTION......AND I THINK THE ONLY TIME THE PARENTS SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE TYPES OF INCIDENTS IS WHEN THEIR GUNS ARE USED....

JLMACN · Oct 2, 2006

I think it depends on the circumstances...

If a mexican Kid goes to his school and starts shooting up all the white people cause his parents raised him to hate white people...then Hell yea they should be at Fault. In some way shape or form, although they did not participate in his actions physically, they advocated him toward those actions whether or not they realize it.

Now then...
If some mexican kid just one day decides to say "fuck it" and let loose some rounds in school just becuase....and it seems he was raised in a decent atmosphere with decent parents....then i dont think we can really blame them.

yea we can say..."well he wanted attention..." ..or whatever else excuse they can come up with. But the fact would still be that they did their best (hopefully) to keep their child from doing such things.

5000

I. Cold · Oct 2, 2006

I was JUST about to make a thread about this.

Should it be reported by national media? Absolutely. If Lindsey Lohan's sex life is making headlines, I don't see why the slaying of children (and faculty) should be excluded from mainstream media.

It's hard to point fingers. Blaming the parents is easy. So is blaming the media and the excessive amount of violence in tv, movies, video games, etc. I don't think you can really place the blame on one source though. How about gun control laws? Public school security?

I'm going to start teaching in about a year so this is definitely an issue that concerns me.

2-0-NINE · Oct 2, 2006

IMO I think a parent should be held responsible in the early years of them growing up. Then they're influences and how they develope. It's most important when you hear them out during they're teen years aka the Rebellion years. But some of the most kids who've grown around influence are known to go one murder sprees as well.

mrraskal666 · Oct 2, 2006

Police Don't Find Gunman But Lift Lockdowns

NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nev. -- A lock-down has been lifted at a North Las Vegas high school and four nearby campuses after police gave up their search for a teenager who brought a gun to campus.

No students were hurt and police said there's no indication the teen threatened anyone with the weapon at Mojave High School. Authorities said they know who the teen is and are confident he will be found.

They did not disclose the suspect's name, but said he's 16 or 17 years old and a former student who was not allowed on campus. The ex-student was confronted by campus police as students arrived for classes about 7 a.m. The teen ran, and a 25-caliber handgun was found behind a church not far the school.

Mojave and three other nearby campuses were locked down while police searched nearby neighborhoods. Police set up a large perimeter and brought scent-sniffing K-9 dogs to the area -- near Washburn Road and Fifth Street -- but did not find him Monday morning.

Copyright 2006 by KVVU.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Police: Man Executed Amish Girls At Pa. School

Police said the man who opened fire at an Amish school in Pennsylvania Monday had let the boys and the adult women leave while holding the girls hostage -- and then shot them as police arrived.

Police said they found the bodies of three girls at the scene, along with the body of the gunman, who had turned the gun on himself. They said several other victims were taken to hospitals -- some with very serious injuries. All had gunshot wounds.

The shooter, identified as Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, sent the male students and some adult females out of the West Nickel Mines Amish School, state police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller said. He then barricaded himself inside. Miller said Roberts had forced many of the children to line up against the blackboard and that he bound their feet with wire ties and flex cuffs.
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"He bound the female students up by the blackboard and apparently executed them," Miller said.

Miller said Roberts was a husband, father of three and milk truck driver from nearby Bart, Pa. His wife said she suspected nothing Monday morning as her husband walked their children to the bus stop about 8:45 a.m. She said she left the house, then came home later to find what appeared to be several suicide notes to her and the children.

Teen Accused Of Killing Principal Faces Life In Prison
CAZENOVIA, Wis. -- After Eric Hainstock was arrested for allegedly killing his high school principal, investigators said the 15-year-old told them he just wanted someone to listen to his complaints about being tormented by classmates.

But his special education teacher -- James Nowak -- told the Wisconsin State Journal he was the one who picked on others.

Hainstock was charged Friday as an adult for allegedly shooting to death Weston High School principal John Klang.Hainstock told police he killed Klang because he was upset with a reprimand Klang had given him.

Nowak said teachers stand up for special education students as much as possible.

Hainstock's friend Eric Schneider, 14, said people picked on Hainstock a lot, but he also picked on kids and would fight with other children.

Hainstock has a bail hearing set for Monday.

2-0-NINE · Oct 2, 2006

Take my statement back, it's one thing to worry about.

[ n a v ] · Oct 2, 2006

HERESY said:

To answer your first question, i don't think school shootings should be reported in national media. Why should a shooting at a school be any more national news than a shooting any where else. What factors change the urgency, why should the value of any other life be less or less publicized that students? I think the kind of kids who would commit acts such as shooting up innocent people at their school might be the same kids susceptible to influence and inspiration from such frequent reports.

to answer the second question, yes to some degree i believe the parents should be held accountable. im not saying that the parenting of the children is 100% responsible for influencing the children to act that way, but the lack of parenting and/or the level of bad parenting could be responsible for the ease in which the child is influenced by other sources (i.e. videogames, peer pressure, music, movies, media, etc.)

2-0-NINE · Oct 2, 2006

Stockton209SS said:

Oops wrong thread.

Hutch · Oct 2, 2006

Good thread.

For the most part, I don't think parents should be blamed. In just about every case, they are definitely a contributing factor, but assigning the blame fully on the parents isn't fair.

(a) As Stockton said, parents are wholly responsible for children when they are young. However, what they decide to do during that time greatly affects their development and can have a significant impact on how a child spends his teenage years. Perhaps the reason why someone shoots up a school could be based on what happened to them as a young child (and would often involve the parents).

(b) No-one is mentioning other school kids. I know that if someone pisses you off, you shouldn't respond by killing them and a bunch of their friends/teachers. The fact is though, that a lot of these kids are social outkasts and many would have to suffer significant abuse from other 'cool' kids which may lead them to commit such horrific acts.

(c) whether it should attract media attention - a mixed answer. Yes it should, because it increases the publics awareness of what is happening. If everyone supports measures to reduce these incidents (force the government to increase funding for security or counselling), then it is a good thing. No it should not, because it gives these troubled kids the spotlight when they really don't need it. If a child wants to be 'heard', then what better way to be heard then to shoot up a school and have your case displayed around the country in the popular media?

skun117 · Oct 2, 2006

i think parents shouldnt have guns or show the kids how to use one.... cuz u never no wat could happen......

2-0-NINE · Oct 2, 2006

skun117 said:

another possibly SPAM I CANDY MAN?

JLMACN · Oct 2, 2006

Pure Life said:

I used a Mexican kid as an example..because certain people seem to get highly offended if you say..."white kid" or "black kid" and you are not either of the 2..

Never say never...I NEVER thought a Native american kid would do some shit like that..

but then look what happened in Minnesota....ya know?

I think to add a little flavor to this..

Should we hold the "grunge" (sp?) look/society accountable for these????

5000

I. Cold · Oct 2, 2006

NavThaShah said:

Um.. because it's a school. An institution where children recieve their primary education.

NavThaShah said:

That didnt make much sense.. but what factors change the urgency? how bout the fact that it involved CHILDREN dying at an educational facility?

[ n a v ] · Oct 2, 2006

PHX Sun said:

im not saying its not tragic. but ive heard of plenty of children dying in oakland and epa and rhichmond, etc. and none of their stories are national news. little children and women are dying every second where im from (in the middle east, not necessarily Iran) and they are dismissed like ants on the news.

i guarentee a shooting at an all black inner city school it would get maybe 10% of the news coverage as an all white suburban school.

my point is not that school shootings are not tragic events, i just question the reasons behind a) why all shootings (or all shootings of children since u seem to think they're deaths mean more than any other persons) are not covered in the same extent as school shootings, and b) why all school shootings are not covered to the same extent as the rest, and what decided which ones are front page stories in all papers and which ones are not even on the front page of their local paper.

TOKZTLI · Oct 2, 2006

HERESY said:

1) Yes, why not? Is censorship called for in this instance? No.

2) No, parents should not be responsible. They didn't pull the trigger, the crazy white kid did.

kayvee · Oct 3, 2006

NavThaShah said:

i agree with you. however, on the parenting thing...i think that columbine could have been prevented...and so can a lot of things.

for example, when i was a late teen i tried to commit suicide at home, and it could have been prevented if my mom wasnt so blind to what was going on with me.

some parents can be blamed; some not. i think it all depends on the situation.

~k.

[ n a v ] · Oct 3, 2006

^i agree with you

like i said in my original post

so yes i believe a lack of parental responsibility will no doubt lead to negative behavior from the kid. neglect is profoundly effectual on the human psyche.

Fucky McFuckerson · Oct 3, 2006

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread228205/pg1

This got brought up here as well....

HERESY · Oct 3, 2006

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/

This is good discussion going on I like this. Now, here is another question for some of you to ponder. What do these shootings say about our society as a whole? For the most part, school is the first form of socialization outside of the home, so where should the problem actually be addressed?

TOKZTLI said:

I wouldn't say it is censorship because that would be mandated by law. Should the reporters and agencies police themselves and change their own policy as to what kind of news they report? Also, I can give you several reasons as to why not, and one of them is the likely DECREASE of copycat crimes.

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