Satellite shows possible prep for 2nd nuke test

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Satellite shows possible prep for 2nd nuke test
U.S.: Further tests by N. Korea would be a ‘belligerent answer’ to world
The Associated Press

Updated: 1:22 p.m. MT Oct 17, 2006

SEOUL, South Korea - Satellite images indicate North Korea appears to be getting ready for a second nuclear test, officials said Tuesday, as the defiant communist regime held huge rallies and proclaimed that U.N. sanctions amount to a declaration of war.

China, the North’s longtime ally and biggest trading partner, warned Pyongyang not to aggravate tensions in the wake of U.N. condemnation of its Oct. 9 atomic blast. And U.S. nuclear envoy Christopher Hill told reporters in Seoul that another nuclear explosion would be “a very belligerent answer” to the world.

As the White House acknowledged that the isolated nation might try a second test, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice launched a diplomatic drive to persuade Asian allies and Russia to intensify North Korea’s isolation by enforcing sanctions approved by the U.N. Security Council.

Concern over a second test stems partly from new satellite imagery showing increased activity around at least two other North Korean sites, a senior U.S. defense official said.

The activity, started a number of days ago, included ground preparation at one site and construction of some buildings and other structures, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because it involved intelligence gathering. He said that although the purpose of the structures is unclear, officials are concerned because North Korea has left open the possibility of another test.

Japan’s government also has “information” about another possible blast, Foreign Minister Taro Aso told reporters, without elaborating.

Test unlikely immediately
A senior South Korean official told foreign journalists that despite signs of a possible second test, it was unlikely to happen immediately.

“We have yet to confirm any imminent signs of a second nuclear test,” the official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

In North Korea, the nation marked the 80th anniversary of the “Down-with-Imperialism Union” — a political platform on which the ruling party was built. North Koreans held parades across the country along with an enormous gathering at a central square in Pyongyang. In the capital, hundreds of women in brightly colored costumes sang and held bunches of flowers, including some named for Kim Il Sung, the late father of current leader Kim Jong Il.

The regime slammed the U.N. measures with a stream of bellicosity in a Foreign Ministry statement released on the official Korean Central News Agency. It was the central government’s first reaction to the sanctions since they were unanimously passed by the Security Council on Saturday.

“The resolution cannot be construed otherwise than a declaration of a war” against the North, the statement said.

The North also said it “wants peace but is not afraid of war,” and that it would “deal merciless blows” against anyone who violates its sovereignty.

It said it wouldn’t cave in to “the pressure and threat of someone at this time when it has become a nuclear weapons state.”

South Korean nuclear envoy Chun Yung-woo said the North’s reaction wasn’t surprising, and was full of “the usual rhetoric.”

China warned Pyongyang against aggravating tensions.

“We hope North Korea will adopt a responsible attitude ... and come back to resolving the issue through dialogue and consultation instead of taking any actions that may further escalate or worsen the situation,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said at a press briefing in Beijing.

Power as an atomic state
But now that the U.S. has confirmed that last week’s blast was indeed nuclear, North Korea can be expected to use its new position as a confirmed atomic state to press for direct talks and concessions with Washington — as it did in March 2005, a month after Pyongyang first asserted it had a nuclear weapon.

Hill, the U.S. envoy, said the North was falsely assuming it would win more respect with atomic explosions.

“The fact of the matter is that nuclear tests make us respect them less,” he said, adding that the North’s comments about sanctions were “not very helpful.”

The White House said it wouldn’t be surprising if North Korea were to try another nuclear test “to be provocative.”

“It would not be a good thing for them, but it certainly would not be out of character,” said White House press secretary Tony Snow. “We’re not going to discuss any particular matters of intelligence, but if you take a look at the record, I think it is reasonable to expect that the government of North Korea will do what it can to test the will, the determination and the unity of the United Nations.”

Asked why it would not be a good thing for North Korea, Snow said, “If they do believe that somehow people are going to give them a pass on this, they’re going to find out that they’re wrong.”

No invasions, U.S. says
While U.S. officials insist they aren’t about to invade, they have taken other steps against North Korea — even before the U.N. resolution — including severing it from the international financial system. That move is believed to have angered the elites that keep Kim in power, and Kim may fear being ousted or possibly even killed.

The North has consistently pressed for direct talks with the U.S. on the financial sanctions and has refused to attend six-nation disarmament talks until the sanctions are lifted. Along with the U.S., the talks include China, Japan, Russia and South Korea.

Now, the North has a new arrow in its quiver: being a confirmed nuclear power recognized as such by the very country whose attention it so desperately craves.

The Bush administration, wary of rewarding the regime’s behavior, has consistently refused to talk directly to the North, insisting the issue is a regional concern and seeking to enlist other countries.

On Tuesday, Rice left for Japan, first stop on a four-nation trip, amid clear signs of unease in China and South Korea about even the softened sanctions.

China contends that interdicting ships, although permitted in the U.N. resolution, might needlessly provoke the North and discourage it from returning to the six-nation talks. South Koreans worry about a conventional attack by their unpredictable neighbor.

“Sanctions against North Korea should be done in a way that draws North Korea to the dialogue table,” South Korean Prime Minister Han Myung-sook said, according to Yonhap news agency. “There should never be a way that causes armed clashes.”
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Nice one Doberman

I like how Hill, the U.S. envoy, suggested that North Korea thought detonating an atomic weapon would earn them more respect. I don't think it's respect they're after - they're more concerned with spreading fear. Sure, it's a bonus if people respect you, but showing the strength of your military forces people to respond because of the fear it generates.
 

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Lets just kill them, all. :)

Just kidding, but seriously...what are some realistic options that won't involve taking over their shit? They dont' seem to care too much about communicating with other nations that dont' want them to do it anymore....

HERE COME THE NUKES! FUCK YEAH! RADIATION TIME FOR ALL OF US ON THE WEST COAST!!!!
 
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Doberman said:
LMMAO! No ...not at all. I am a "Black Man" why do you ask?

Just wondering, since you make so many threads about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and it's "nukes".

If you were Korean it would make more sense for the concern.
 
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Sixxness said:
Lets just kill them, all. :)

Just kidding, but seriously...what are some realistic options that won't involve taking over their shit? They dont' seem to care too much about communicating with other nations that dont' want them to do it anymore....
Haha it's simple, meet their demands...

The U.S. won't budge and N. Korea is showing the same attitude.

They're not going to just going to start launching nukes at people, there is a goal in mind and it has to do with economics and trade leverage.
 
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This is not about warfare, it's about economics and international trade leverage.

You're all skipping main steps here and calling it a shoot-out when it's still just a stick-up. N. Korea has a goal and it's not to waste an expensive nuclear warhead on killing innocent civilians, ending in their own demise. Don't be stupid.

I can garauntee North Korea, no matter how loony they may seem will not blatantly just start firing off nukes at nations because they're fuckin' pissed. This is about gaining a desired place in the international trade community and at the WTO table, and who gets the best seats at that table? The big fuck-off nations with nuclear capabilities.

North Korea is short on many resources, including energy. They need resources to fuel their little isolated communist compound, but no one wants to support what they're doing (understandable). Thus trade options for North Korea are few and they often get shafted.

Like any other country, gaining nuclear capabilities will give them much trade leverage, if you haven't noticed they have used the threat (just the threat) of developing nukes to gain trade leverage throughout the last 12 years.

Chronology of nuclear weapons development in North Korea:

1993: North Korea says it has quit the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty amid suspicions that it is developing nuclear weapons. It later reverses that decision.

1994: North Korea and U.S. sign an agreement. North Korea pledges to freeze and eventually dismantle its nuclear weapons program in exchange for international aid to build two power-producing nuclear reactors.

Aug. 31, 1998: North Korea fires a multistage over Japan and into the Pacific Ocean, proving it can strike any part of Japan's territory.

May 25-28, 1999: Former Defense Secretary William Perry visits North Korea and delivers a U.S. disarmament proposal.

Sept. 13: North Korea pledges to freeze long-range missile tests.

Sept. 17: U.S. President Bill Clinton eases economic sanctions against North Korea.

December: A U.S.-led consortium signs a US$4.6 billion contract for two safer, Western-developed light-water nuclear reactors in North Korea.

July 2000: North Korea again threatens to restart its nuclear program if Washington doesn't compensate for the loss of electricity caused by delays in building nuclear power plants.

June 2001: North Korea warns it will reconsider its moratorium on missile tests if the Bush administration doesn't resume contacts aimed at normalizing relations.

July: State Department reports North Korea is going ahead with development of its long-range missile. A Bush administration official says North Korea conducts an engine test of the Taepodong-1 missile.

December: President Bush warns Iraq and North Korea that they would be "held accountable" if they developed weapons of mass destruction "that will be used to terrorize nations."

Jan. 29, 2002: Bush labels North Korea, Iran and Iraq an "axis of evil" in his State of the Union address. "By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger," he says.

Oct. 4: A visiting U.S. delegation says North Korean officials revealed that the country has a second covert nuclear weapons program in violation of the 1994 agreement -- a program using enriched uranium. North Korea later denies this.

Oct. 16: U.S. officials say they have discovered evidence of a nuclear weapons program in North Korea.

Oct. 26: Bush, Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and South Korean President Kim Dae-jung meet at an Asian-Pacific regional summit in Mexico and agree to seek a peaceful end to the North's nuclear problem.

Nov. 11: The United States, Japan and South Korea halt oil supplies to North Korea promised under the 1994 deal.

Dec. 12: North Korea reactivates nuclear facilities at Yongbyon that were frozen under the 1994 deal with the United States.

Dec. 13: North Korea asks the U.N. nuclear watchdog to remove monitoring seals and cameras from its nuclear facilities.

Dec. 14: The U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency urges North Korea to retract its decision to reactivate its nuclear facilities and abide by its obligations under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Dec. 21: North Korea removes monitoring seals and cameras from its nuclear facilities

Jan. 10, 2003: North Korea withdraws from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Jan. 28: South Korean envoy Lim Dong-won meets North Korea's number two leader Kim Yong Nam. Lim says North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has received the letter from President Kim Dae-jung that suggests Pyongyang should reverse its withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Feb. 3: The U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld signs a "prepare to deploy" order that will send 24 bombers to the Pacific region.

Feb 4: Pyongyang describes the U.S. move as an attempt "to crush us to death."

Feb. 5: North Korea's official news agency says the nation has reactivated its nuclear power facilities.

Feb. 12: The 35-member IAEA board of governors declares North Korea in breach of atomic safeguards and refers the case to the U.N. Security Council.

Feb. 18: The (North) Korean People's Army threatens it will abandon the 1953 Korean War armistice if the United States continues its military buildup in the region.

Feb. 24: North Korea test fires a land-to-ship missile into the sea between the Korean Peninsula and Japan.

Feb. 26: The United States says North Korea has reactivated its five-megawatt nuclear reactor at Yongbyon.

March 10: North Korea test fires another surface-to-vessel anti-ship missile into the Sea of Japan, or East Sea as it is known in South Korea.

March 29: Pyongyang says it will resist all international demands to allow nuclear inspections.

April 5: North Korea says it won't recognize any ruling made by the U.N. Security Council.

April 12: In a dramatic shift, North Korea backtracks on its calls for direct 'face-to- face' talks with Washington, saying it will consider any format for dialogue if the United States is prepared to make a "bold switchover."

June 2: Group of Eight world leaders meeting in France accuses North Korea of undermining non-proliferation agreements.

June 9: North Korea lifts its war of words with the United States to a new level, saying it may now need nuclear weapons to combat what it describes as a hostile threat from Washington.

July 12: A senior U.S. official says North Korea has begun reprocessing spent nuclear fuel rods, suggesting the communist country intends to produce nuclear weapons.

July 16: China ups the pressure on North Korea to join mulitlateral talks to end the nuclear standoff during a visit to Pyongyang by a special envoy from Beijing. "In-depth" talks take place.

July 26: A Japanese newspaper report, citing North Korean and Japanese sources, says North Korea is prepared to conduct a nuclear test unless the U.S. responds positively to its proposals to end the nuclear row.

August 1: North Korea announces it will take part in six-nation talks on the crisis. No date or venue for the meet is set.

August 2: Pyongyang warns the United States not to discuss its suspected nuclear weapons program at the U.N. Such a move would be "a grave criminal act" that was "little short of a prelude to war," Pyongyang says.

August 12: Washington announces that six-way talks aimed at ending the crisis will take place in Beijing on August 27. The U.S., North Korea, South Korea, China, Japan and Russia will take part.

August 18: North Korea repeats a demand that Washington sign a non-aggression pact with North Korea, and says it could not dismantle its nuclear deterrent force if the United States did not abandon its "hostile policy" toward Pyongyang.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/08/20/nkorea.timeline.nuclear/
As you can see North Korea demands that sanctions be lifted and "hostile policy" towards N. Korea be abandoned. Now that nuclear weapons are in the mix, it's a big deal because they've handed themselves an equal set of cards at the international trade table. And the U.S. doesn't approve because the U.S. wants North Korea to fail economically.

It's an economic tool and it's nothing new. N. Korea isn't stupid, they know exactly what they're doing; gaining power and a foothold in the international trade community. As much as we would like to see their little communist project fail, once they get nukes, everyone has to start listening.

Silly Americans, it's not all bang-bang shoot-em-up... don't let your president fool you, this doesn't mean war.
 
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Deadpool said:
Just wondering, since you make so many threads about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and it's "nukes".

If you were Korean it would make more sense for the concern.
I think it should concern everybody!