sampling from a rack

[C.M.P CEO]

ok longstory short

iam going to school to earn my AA in music recording arts,this is 1 of the best schools for this in my area besides expressions in emeryville,iam to poor to go to that place,but this is the next best place
anyways

they have fantom racks,and a motif racks

whats the most fast and effiencent way of taking all the sounds of of them and using it later on,haha

i swear blood i just want to take they whole shit,and also they have a triton keyboard, i dont wanna go sit there and sample each 1 note by note/key for key...

its gotta be a better way


i need a crackhead/mcgyver method here u guys

 

[Doberman]

ok longstory short

iam going to school to earn my AA in music recording arts,this is 1 of the best schools for this in my area besides expressions in emeryville,iam to poor to go to that place,but this is the next best place
anyways

they have fantom racks,and a motif racks

whats the most fast and effiencent way of taking all the sounds of of them and using it later on,haha

i swear blood i just want to take they whole shit,and also they have a triton keyboard, i dont wanna go sit there and sample each 1 note by note/key for key...

its gotta be a better way


i need a crackhead/mcgyver method here u guys

Take the racks home wit ya at the end of the day. If you find it too difficult, smoke an 8-ball of crack or meth for motivation

 

[Doberman]

Seriously...just ask your instructor. do you have a sampler? Maybe there's an export audio option on those racks you mentioned...you wouldn't need a sampler for that...just a storage device like a USB key. I'm just going off guess work here...dont' take my word for it. If all else fails ... refer to my previous post. Cheers!

 

[HERESY]

I'm headed for class, and I'll explain this later, but I wouldn't even worry about sampling the sounds from those machines.

 

[GHP]

Oh no another person has been sucked in by a recording school. I'd get out of there asap and buy books and gear with that touition money and learn it yourself. Recording schools are all making money off kids dreams that never come true.

 

[HERESY]

I agree with Jayda on the recording school thing. If I were you I would spend my money on gear, and after that I would have someone come in and teach me to use it or I would teach myself. Teaching yourself is going to take longer, and you're going to make MANY mistakes along the way. Why? Well, probably because your first instinct is going to be to make the music louder or sound better and this mentality is going to do more harm than good when you're starting out.

Now, as far as the samples are concerned here is why I say you shouldn't even worry about it. Take the motif es or the fantom X. Both of them use multi-samples just for the main piano patches. When you sample it you aren't going to get those same patches because one key actually has multiple voices of the sample. In addition you are going to get different tones depending on the velocity. If you use a motif es drum kit and you hit the snare key softly it might sound as if the snare is being hit on the outer edge. If you strike the key hard the snare is going to sound as if it is were being hit in the middle of the snare drum.

Now, if you are hell bent on doing this I would suggest using one of those NEKO workstations to achieve what you're doing. According to them you can dump all teh preset sounds an dother parameters from ANY workstation/module by making a few connections and setting teh appropriate parameteres within the neko workstation. That will be the QUICKEST way, but it will also burn a hole in your pocket because you're lookin at like 3 grand for the board.

My advice to you is to forget about those samples, use BFD for drums and Giga sampler and sample tank for your other sound sources.

 

[C.M.P CEO]

i have sample tank

I agree with Jayda on the recording school thing. If I were you I would spend my money on gear, and after that I would have someone come in and teach me to use it or I would teach myself. Teaching yourself is going to take longer, and you're going to make MANY mistakes along the way. Why? Well, probably because your first instinct is going to be to make the music louder or sound better and this mentality is going to do more harm than good when you're starting out.

iam going for my credentials,and im not no dummy, i kno about the importance of mixing,i do my researcch and i read alot,so please dont approach me as sum sort of newbie at all of this. theres a whole lot more to be learned,and iam attending a junior college which hases 1 of the best recording arts program in northern california besides expressions which is dedicated to audio and graphics,and also cost 60gz, i dont pay as much plus i have finaicial aid

 

[C.M.P CEO]

thnx for the advice,guess theres no way around it then

 

[GHP]

i have sample tank



iam going for my credentials,and im not no dummy, i kno about the importance of mixing,i do my researcch and i read alot,so please dont approach me as sum sort of newbie at all of this. theres a whole lot more to be learned,and iam attending a junior college which hases 1 of the best recording arts program in northern california besides expressions which is dedicated to audio and graphics,and also cost 60gz, i dont pay as much plus i have finaicial aid

Sorry to break it to you Monte but credentials don't mean much. I have 2 different protools certifications spent 14 grand to go to school and I make more money working for a real estate company than your average audio engineer with 5 years under his belt. Audio school is the only education where you will pay 60 grand to work for minimum wage IF YOU ARE LUCKY. I kick myself every day for going to school cuz the basics aren't that hard to learn by yourself. Keep doing it though if its just a junior college thing and you aren't breaking hella bread if it intrests you. Formal audio engeneering schools are kind of a scam. I feel sorry for anyone who pays all that money to go to expressions or Full Sail cuz 95% of those people crash and burn. And those schools will not teach you how to mix.

That 14 grand coulda been spent on a pretty fly startup rig

 

[C.M.P CEO]

u obiously never heard of expressions,cuz u learn a hell of a lot,i feel sorry for where u get ur statistics, one of the best,full sail yes they are crap, but expressions no.learn your facts first boy.if i had the dough i would go there

 

[22sleepy415]

A lot of the learning is going to stem from experience. Get some gear, crack open the manuals, and go from there. No one is going to ask you where you went to school, what matters is that you know what you're doing and that you do it well. School will ultimately be the place where you will do the least of your learning.

As far as the original question you'd have to find the root note that the hardware modules uses, sample that note, then do the other root notes for the patch. You'd then have to set your own loop points in a wave editor or sampler and then set the correct envelope. It'll end up being more work than is worth in the end.

Many current software sound modules sound way better than their hardware counterparts. Spectrasonics Trilogy has better bass than any hardware module I've used. Atmosphere from the same company has a lot of pads and other synths that sound better than most hardware modules out there also. Then there's Colossus and plenty of other big software romplers that hardware modules can't hold a candle to.

The important thing about hardware modules is their synth engines, workflow, and how the wavetables are programmed to make patches along with the onboard effects. The sounds itself aren't that big of a deal.

 

[HERESY]

iam going for my credentials,and im not no dummy, i kno about the importance of mixing,i do my researcch and i read alot,so please dont approach me as sum sort of newbie at all of this.

First off homie, you need to watch how you are comin at people. No one is saying you are a dummy or a newbie, but when you are asking questions NEWBIES are asking what do you expect for people to do? If I wanted to make you feel like a newbie I would, and I am fully capable of doing so, but the fact is I was trying to help you out, so you need to be a tad more humble when people who obviously have way more knowledge or experience are pulling your coat to something.

and iam attending a junior college which hases 1 of the best recording arts program in northern california besides expressions which is dedicated to audio and graphics,and also cost 60gz, i dont pay as much plus i have finaicial aid

Thats fine, and if this is something you are interested in simply get your creds and split.

 

[50cal]

u obiously never heard of expressions,cuz u learn a hell of a lot,i feel sorry for where u get ur statistics, one of the best,full sail yes they are crap, but expressions no.learn your facts first boy.if i had the dough i would go there

damn...how is anything a fact if you aint attend and get first hand info?I guess you read the pamphlet and checked there online site?....Let me humble you...You dont know shit.....no disrespect but i know people who spent money on them recording schools and the best thing they learn is what a waste of money...Im definitley not anti-school.I think you attending a community college for the basics is a good foundation to build....but lets be real you are 19-20 years old....you are a newbie....Im sure you will come and say something smart...but when you get a few more years of experience under your belt you will realize there is even more stuff to learn

 

[Sick Wid It]

Jayda and Heresy have pretty much said everything that needs to be said but if you really think a certificate from a school is going to lock you in to a nice high paying job then by all means go for it. Just prepare yourself for disappointment. They know better, tried to help you, and now I'm confirming it too.

There are a few people here who speak from experience doing this work professionally. You might want to listen when they have something to say rather than asking for help/advice and then mouthin' off.

 

[Vince V.]

u obiously never heard of expressions,cuz u learn a hell of a lot,i feel sorry for where u get ur statistics, one of the best,full sail yes they are crap, but expressions no.learn your facts first boy.if i had the dough i would go there

Check it out man, I work with a dude that runs one of the biggest studios in NYC, Chung King. Peep it here, chungkingstudios.com. I've known this dude for a few years now, he manages the place. There's tons of people that intern there straight after school or during school for no pay or minimum wage.
Being a high paid engineer is like being a high paid producer. Sure you can find work locally, but if you think you're gonna come out of school and get a job and start mixing Usher's records you're mistaken. Big labels go to engineers like they go to producers, they mess with people who have certified hits under their belt. I aint trying to burst your bubble, because that's like tellin me to stop making tracks, and that aint gonna happen. With time and practice you'll get better. You're just gonna have to make your own shit crack for you, don't bank on getting a job at some big studio. I GUARANTEE you, if you get a job as an assistang engineer at one of the TOP studios right after school, you won't make shit, I promise. I guess I'm not saying anything else that hasn't been said. It's your money do what you want, expressions is tight, but so is Berkley college of music, and if I went there I aint gonna come out producing hit records..........well, maybe....lol

 

[C.M.P CEO]

i should have been more clear, as far as going to audio schools or even going to schools that talk about film production, i realized back in 97 that going to get ur credientials and aiming at getting a good job from it wasnt/proll will ever happen, howeverthis is more lest of a personal goal i have set for myself,and yes i have met a few folx who has went and completed everything at expressions, i do network and talk to alot of diff people,i heard nothing but good things from them. thining getting ur certificate and working at a big name studio will not happen for 2 or 3 reasons,for 1,theres not to many studios anymore,alot of ppl have in house studios,and another thing the studios that are around have full time engineers,and the turnover rate for them to welcome another one is slim,u damn near have to wait for sum to die ifu get what i mean. im learning plenty of things now,many of which i already knew.

i do appreciate the advice,if any1 felt disrespected by anything that was said,well thats on u, it wasnt ment to be taken like that.


back to the original question at hand....on the rack modules itself, i saw lil diskette inserts i think they were compact flash drives or whatever...i knew i could sample it manually note for note which i said in the opening statement, since those inserts are on the front ppanel,their isnt a way u can copy patches from the hardware on to the drive or whatever? it looked like i was possible

 

[GHP]

Naw Monte its all good, it is an experience to go to one of those places. I'm a conservatory graduate, i just wish i knew what i know about the industry before i started school. I learned a whole lot. Its just the fact that those schools are selling dreams to people and for the most part those dreams don't come true for 99% of the people who attend those places. From what I can gather the only real way to make a living in recording is in live sound cuz its hard work and most aren't up to the initial challenge or don't want to travel.

I'm getting off topic of the thread though. I dunno I'm sure its possible but it would take hella time. those racks have thousands of sounds in them. Sampling from a racks sound engine note for note would also take up a massive amount of disc space, and it wont sound the same cuz you would be losing any kind of editing functions the piece itself has, also what hersey was saying about the multilayered patches. Out of the rack all that shit is controlled by midi messages coming straight from the pieces sound engine. To copy over a whole rack would take gigabytes apon gigabytes of space and would take a long time to do if you sampled every sound in full. Plus you would most definatly have alot of sound clipping issues. it would not be the same as having the whole rack at your disposal

 

[C.M.P CEO]

i can dig it,thnx for all the adivce,ima just steal the rack




































lol im just playin,thnx again

 

[BOOBOO619]

Remember, no matter what degrees, certificates or whatever the fuck you got interms of education, in the end it all comes down to, WHO YOU KNOW & of course $$$. And that goes for mostly anything IMO. Getting experience first & talking/making friends with people in the industry is the best way to go IMO, then later on, educate yourself a bit more. Learn as you go. LOL, you think some of the gangster @ss fools in the rap industry went to schools to learn this $hit, I hardly doubt it, it just comes natural to them or they know people.


And as far as sounds go, I would definitely check out some of the software 22Sleepy415 was talking about like Trilogy, Atmoshphere, etc... There's so much software out there and best of all it's easy as fuck to use/manage and it doesn't take up physical space like hardware gear does.

Do what you want to do with your money, but me personally, the farthest I'll go with this $hit interms of education is community college. You either have it or you don't.

 

[C.M.P CEO]

i have trilogy bass,im already knowin how good it is