Richard Dawkins - The Enemies of Reason

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OMG, when is this Dawkins creep gonna die and go to hell already? His entire mission is to preach hate and nonsense and he has a cult like following because of it. Sickening to say the least..:rolleyes:
 
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ParkBoyz said:
OMG, when is this Dawkins creep gonna die and go to hell already? His entire mission is to preach hate and nonsense and he has a cult like following because of it. Sickening to say the least..:rolleyes:
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he didn't say anything about religion in this movie, it was all about astrology and psychics

or you feel passionate about these too:ermm:
 
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^Well taken, but I attacked him, not the video since obviously I haven't watched it. If he was more neutral in his approach and not so condescendingly aggressive in getting his point across I'd actually be able to bear considering some of his points. He's not a bridge builder, he's a war machine so anyone with an opposing view to his is forced to fight him instead of listen or engage.
 
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ParkBoyz said:
^Well taken, but I attacked him, not the video since obviously I haven't watched it. If he was more neutral in his approach and not so condescendingly aggressive in getting his point across I'd actually be able to bear considering some of his points. He's not a bridge builder, he's a war machine so anyone with an opposing view to his is forced to fight him instead of listen or engage.
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He's the Chair for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University.

Its his job to tell the public what science is about and since science doesn't sugar coat things, I don't see why he should do it:ermm:
 
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^Well, from a socio based standpoint he has a responsibility to deliver his message effectively and creating unsuspecting enemies in the process doesn't help his cause. People are taken back by this type of approach as it is unwarranted. "The Enemies of Reason"? I mean the guy is a drama queen, c'mon, it isn't that serious, people are just having fun with the freedom they posses. If he believes in a soul or not, the guy definitely doesn't have one, he is the prophet of gloom. A finger pointer, an interloper, a destroyer of culture.

I honestly agree with a lot of what he says, I watched the video earlier. It wasn't too bad, but it is the way he goes about a lot of things. He creates the illusion that belief in anything that his "reason" can't come to terms with is an affront to civilization as we know it. To the contrary, civilization didn't start in Britain or America, and we have survived for thousands of years off culture, instinct, and basic common sense. Science has helped more than it has hurt, I agree, but imagination is what got us here in the first place and kept us alive and mentally/psychologically stable. You actually have to entertain possibilities before you can verify them also, which involves imagination and sometimes faith (that what you believe can and will be verified).

We know that deeply involved scientists usually are found to be at the bottom of the social latter. Large segments of society reject science for that very reason; lack of sociability. We are social animals and a world devoid of imagination and belief is a world devoid of society and only of competition. He needs to learn how to bridge the gap between reason and belief/imagination..
 
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^Well, from a socio based standpoint he has a responsibility to deliver his message effectively and creating unsuspecting enemies in the process doesn't help his cause. People are taken back by this type of approach as it is unwarranted. "The Enemies of Reason"? I mean the guy is a drama queen, c'mon, it isn't that serious, people are just having fun with the freedom they posses. If he believes in a soul or not, the guy definitely doesn't have one, he is the prophet of gloom. A finger pointer, an interloper, a destroyer of culture.

I honestly agree with a lot of what he says, I watched the video earlier. It wasn't too bad, but it is the way he goes about a lot of things. He creates the illusion that belief in anything that his "reason" can't come to terms with is an affront to civilization as we know it. To the contrary, civilization didn't start in Britain or America, and we have survived for thousands of years off culture, instinct, and basic common sense. Science has helped more than it has hurt, I agree, but imagination is what got us here in the first place and kept us alive and mentally/psychologically stable. You actually have to entertain possibilities before you can verify them also, which involves imagination and sometimes faith (that what you believe can and will be verified).

We know that deeply involved scientists usually are found to be at the bottom of the social latter. Large segments of society reject science for that very reason; lack of sociability. We are social animals and a world devoid of imagination and belief is a world devoid of society and only of competition. He needs to learn how to bridge the gap between reason and belief/imagination..
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You totally miss his point

His point is that what matters is what is true and the fundamental goal of science is to find the truths. It is not about culture, sociability or what have you, it is about truth
 
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You are speaking about his message, ParkBoyz is speaking about how he gets his message across. PB actually said he agrees with alot of what he says, so..why quote the whole response and say he missed the point? He obviously got it, you didn't get his.

@JL - you said "you think he feels", which means you're speculating on how he feels and also how that directs his message. I believe that since his is nothing more than a scientist, then we have to take his words as they are and skip speculating about how he "feels".

Also, speculating on how one person feels and comparing that to a sweeping generalization of how organized religion gets their message across is a looong reach.
 
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I am just stating how he comes across to me. If you and PB dont agree, then that is you...

but when I hear him talk, he is very sincere about his approach and just like anyone else that is sincere they can come across direct and hard, sometimes.

I am watching the video now....

LOL @ the opening scene!.....You can tell he just wants to laugh...

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Believe me homie, I ain't trying to get into one of those condescending arguments with you - that isn't ever how I've come at you.

I'm saying 1) you're making a sweeping generalization about how religion "gets it message across", and 2)applying that to a speculation about why Dawkin's get's his message across a certain way.

Separately and together they are a far reach.
 
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enserio said:
You are speaking about his message, ParkBoyz is speaking about how he gets his message across. PB actually said he agrees with alot of what he says, so..why quote the whole response and say he missed the point? He obviously got it, you didn't get his.

@JL - you said "you think he feels", which means you're speculating on how he feels and also how that directs his message. I believe that since his is nothing more than a scientist, then we have to take his words as they are and skip speculating about how he "feels".

Also, speculating on how one person feels and comparing that to a sweeping generalization of how organized religion gets their message across is a looong reach.
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the best way to let people know the truth is to tell them the truth

that's what Dawkins is doing - telling the truth, directly

it's not his fault some people do not like it
 
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ParkBoyz said:
but imagination is what got us here in the first place and kept us alive and mentally/psychologically stable. You actually have to entertain possibilities before you can verify them also, which involves imagination and sometimes faith (that what you believe can and will be verified).

We know that deeply involved scientists usually are found to be at the bottom of the social latter. Large segments of society reject science for that very reason; lack of sociability. We are social animals and a world devoid of imagination and belief is a world devoid of society and only of competition. He needs to learn how to bridge the gap between reason and belief/imagination..
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Very good point.
 
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ThaG said:
the best way to let people know the truth is to tell them the truth

that's what Dawkins is doing - telling the truth, directly

it's not his fault some people do not like it
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what you are missing is that this is only in your minds and not everybody elses.

funny thing about reality. ppl take it too seriously
 
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