Religious peoples, I have a question. . .

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ColdBlooded

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This is not a trick question or loaded in anyway. I am just interested in your theological perspective on a particular issue.

Now I’m admittedly more familiar with the Judeo Christian religions and have put in some time studying (at least in an academic setting) Islam so i'm sorry if this is more directed towards those faiths. But i would like to hear all religous believers ideas on this regardless of chosen faith.

How do you feel about the concept of free will? Do you believe you have it? How does it correspond to your belief or lack there of in destiny or God’s plan? How does it correspond to your belief in prayer? If God gave you free will would it not work contrary to free will if God were to intervene in your life to answer your prayers?

Thanks for your answers.
 
taetae

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I don't believe God really intervenes in my life or has a "plan" for me. I really think it's up to myself to exercise willpower to overcome the force of entropy and achieve "enlightenment". I've been starting to understand the concept of eternity and reincarnation and how it is a constant process of exercising willpower against constant negative force.

Free will on the other hand is the idea of man being able to make a choice. In our choices we are always confronted with the path of least resistance or the road less traveled. The latter is the decision that brings enlightenment but also is a test of your willpower. I don't necessarily believe in destiny, and I don't think destiny is compatible with free will. I think we do have free will, and religions that teach destiny or "god's plan" are contradicting the entire concept of free will.

Prayer for me is an internal dialogue, an attempt at reconciliation and resolution of conflict. It is also an attempt to make peace and achieve a deeper understanding and communication with the universal truth that is God, and It's relationship with the self.

I'm still learning though, don't have it completely figured out..
 
ColdBlooded

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I guess I can see why. It is probably assumed that I'll take it onto some attack their beliefs rant or something. Or as an attempt to point out flaws in their belief system. Eventhough that's not my intent at all, I can see how that would be of concern.

Or at least that some other regular would come along and turn the thread into a bash your religion pissing match.

My loss I guess. I was kinda interested in this one too.
 
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JLMACN said:
wow! ONLY 1 THEIST ANSWERED THESE?

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We've gone through this many times, especially last year. If he uses the search engine he'll find the threads. I'll answer these when I get back from work. Why are you so surprised only one theist answered the questions?
 
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How do you feel about the concept of free will?
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In my english class my teacher said refrain from using I believe, I strongly believe or in my opinion, but for the sake of my youth LOL, I'll use it anyways. I strongly believe in Free will, in that we get to do whatever we choose to do and hold ourselves accountable for the consequences of doing those actions, deeds etc. There's always consequences for every good and bad deed done.

Do you believe you have it?
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It's pretty obvious from my first post.

How does it correspond to your belief or lack there of in destiny or God’s plan?
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There is a strong correlation with free will and my belief in God's plan or final destination for us. Like I said, we are held accountable for all our actions. God judges his people on the basis of faith and your fruits(your deeds, actions within your faith)
How does it correspond to your belief in prayer?
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Quite frankly, my answer might not even be lined up with the question, but here it goes. I think it corresponds to my belief in prayers because we ask God to forgive us for our sins. In the end of the day or whichever part of the day, we all sin and fall short of God's Glory(Romans 3:23) or his will which is to stay on task and walk perfectly just like his Son Jesus.

If God gave you free will would it not work contrary to free will if God were to intervene in your life to answer your prayers?
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Just like parents allowing their children to do what they want to, they still will intervene when necessary. Same thing can be applied to God, although I really don't think highly of apply humanly things to God, but eh we were created in his image (Genesis 1:26-27).
 
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god doesn't have control of us once we are born... and neither does the devil.. you fuckers can't take responsibility for your own actions.. and always revert to some random quote from the bible.. as if that was the truth.. the bible.. is man-made.. nothin' godly about it.. what makes bad people is society.. we should blame ourselves.
 
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Free Will has been given to us BY God, (it's not a Concept, that would be something made up by man). Yes we do have it, look at the whole world; if we didn't there would be little to no division, like any animal family who Don't have free will! This probably plays the most important role in reaching the Destiny, for Exapmple; if someone chooses to commit suicide, or cheats on his wife (who decides to murder him for it). EVERY SMALL THING happens for a reason. Our paths are Already beaten, All we're doing is walking them without knowing exactly how they're going to look (or, in some cases, turn out!). Prayer corresponds to this by (what we call) Divine Intervention in some cases; when we pray, we are praying to God who is able to do Anything. If what we ask for is according to His ways, He will grant it to you, (you gotta think about it, God is NOT is the dimension of time where you don't know the future, He can see it All at once and He does not want us to fail), He Loves us. No, it would not intervene with the free will factor if God Answers your Prayers, i mean, did you or did you Not Ask for them in the first place?; that's like saying if you asked Me for for a dollar and i gave it to you it would intervene with my free will because i gave it to you, feel me? Free will is exactly why we're here, we were in existense BEFORE we were humans, before the Earth or the Universe was Created, God Already KNOWS us. The way it was then (which was ALL good,) is the way it will be in the Future, and God doesn't want Robots around Him 'Playing' like they're in good nature and Love Him when they are having evil thoughts behind their faces, that only produces More evil, this Life is the path to where we are goin to spend Eternity in the next. God gave us free will as a Bold test of Real Love for Him. If we don't, our free will shows that we are not valid to spend Eterity with Him.


-Uncle Jon
 
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|GOD|||ZILLA| said:
god doesn't have control of us once we are born... and neither does the devil.. you fuckers can't take responsibility for your own actions.. and always revert to some random quote from the bible.. as if that was the truth.. the bible.. is man-made.. nothin' godly about it.. what makes bad people is society.. we should blame ourselves.
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WTF HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH THE FUCKING THREAD?!!!!!

You always bash christianity and for what reason??? I JUST SAID, that we are all HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR ACTIONS. Are you blind or are you always in a constant state of highness?
 
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JonIronic said:
..did you hear what i Said though?
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We are all pre-destined and I agree with you. I've said this in the past. Our paths have been determined, we are living to do good because we never know what God had us planned to go. Great Post
 
JLMACN

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JonIronic said:
Free Will has been given to us BY God, (it's not a Concept, that would be something made up by man). Yes we do have it, look at the whole world; if we didn't there would be little to no division, like any animal family who Don't have free will! This probably plays the most important role in reaching the Destiny, for Exapmple; if someone chooses to commit suicide, or cheats on his wife (who decides to murder him for it). EVERY SMALL THING happens for a reason. Our paths are Already beaten, All we're doing is walking them without knowing exactly how they're going to look (or, in some cases, turn out!). Prayer corresponds to this by (what we call) Divine Intervention in some cases; when we pray, we are praying to God who is able to do Anything. If what we ask for is according to His ways, He will grant it to you, (you gotta think about it, God is NOT is the dimension of time where you don't know the future, He can see it All at once and He does not want us to fail), He Loves us. No, it would not intervene with the free will factor if God Answers your Prayers, i mean, did you or did you Not Ask for them in the first place?; that's like saying if you asked Me for for a dollar and i gave it to you it would intervene with my free will because i gave it to you, feel me? Free will is exactly why we're here, we were in existense BEFORE we were humans, before the Earth or the Universe was Created, God Already KNOWS us. The way it was then (which was ALL good,) is the way it will be in the Future, and God doesn't want Robots around Him 'Playing' like they're in good nature and Love Him when they are having evil thoughts behind their faces, that only produces More evil, this Life is the path to where we are goin to spend Eternity in the next. God gave us free will as a Bold test of Real Love for Him. If we don't, our free will shows that we are not valid to spend Eterity with Him.


-Uncle Jon
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Which God do you speak of?
 
ColdBlooded

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If God has a plan or people have a destiny, then how can people also have free will? If a plan or destiny has already been predetermined by God wouldn’t that make it impossible to have free will? Your “choices” would already be predetermined so really there would be no choice at all.

If man has free will and God does not have a predetermined plan for man does God’s divine intervention into man’s life once again negate free will? Wouldn’t man’s life then be determined, in fact, not by his own choices, but by God’s choices? How would that equate to free will?
 
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ColdBlooded said:
If God has a plan or people have a destiny, then how can people also have free will? If a plan or destiny has already been predetermined by God wouldn’t that make it impossible to have free will? Your “choices” would already be predetermined so really there would be no choice at all.

If man has free will and God does not have a predetermined plan for man does God’s divine intervention into man’s life once again negate free will? Wouldn’t man’s life then be determined, in fact, not by his own choices, but by God’s choices? How would that equate to free will?
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You can choose to believe or not to believe by your free will. Regardless your choice he knew the answer before your were born.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
If God knows all, then he knows the future, which means god knows the future with infallible certainty, the future is predetermined, and man is impotent to change it. That also means thats morality is meaningless, we cannot blame or praise a man for an action over which he has no control. Men are predestined for either heaven or hell, and they have no vioice in the matter just as I, according to the believer, was predestined to be an Atheist. Why would God create a man to murder or rape? Is god himself sick?
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http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=168588

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=49261
 
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