Religion as a conditioning device for world take-over

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

Has anybody ever considered religion being a conditioning device used by higher beings as a means to take over the world? I'm not saying I necessarily believe this, but take a few things into consideration about the history of religion and then make your own assumptions.

If you want to ask why if they are so advanced did they not take over the world then, that is easy to answer. The world was not united. Perhaps some religions were put in place to create the New World Order.

The Bible speaks of various events that occured when "fallen angels" came to Earth and turned against God. What if this was a power struggle, possibly of alien origin, or of another one of Earth's species (far more evolved than us) who left the Earth prior to the extinction of life on this planet. What if they created us, or if evolution is true, and they want to take credit for the creation.

Several dinosaur fossils from millions of years ago prove these dinosaurs were highly intelligent. If evolution is true, would they not be far more advanced than us? Consider the serpent/dragon in many of the world's religions, as well as astrology. The Chinese, the indigenous Americans and the Egyptians have serpents in their religion as do the Christians. These serpents are bringers of knowledge. This is what the Illuminati/Skull & Bones base their beliefs on. While God suppressed knowledge, the serpent in the Garden of Eden told us the truth.

What if Jesus worked for one faction, which wishes to suppress knowledge, and the serpents were another, which told the people of Earth the truth. Christianity says all men are good, when it is clearly not true. It speaks of the anti-Christ, world take-over, etc. followed by 1,000 years of peace. What if this was all stated to make the people weak. If they believed this would be followed by peace, they would not fight against it. The Biblet talks about the Nephilum, the offspring of fallen-angels and Earth's mothers who were GIANTS.

On the contrary, the non-Christian religions of the Natives consider the Quetzalcoatl, KulKulkan, etc., as a bringer of knowledge. In this religion, there is only one God, and that is Ometeotl. He/she is all encompassing. the Quetzalcoatl and others are deities, not Gods, as Jesus claimed to be.

Prior to the Germanic tribes integration in European civilization, they also had a "Pagan" religion that practiced ritual sacrifice. How did these religions spread so far across the world from the Germanics, to the Asians, to the Egyptians, to the Africans, and all the way to the "New World"?

It is common knowledge that Bush & Kerry were both in the Skull & Bones, both are cousins, and both are related to at least 16 American presidents, not including the royalty of Europe. If you don't believe this you can study to find the truth. It was even shown on television.

A skull was found in Pennsylvania several years ago. It was of a man who stood 6'6" tall. The skull had horns protruding from it.

Study this shit. There have been a lot of interesting archaeological finds. What about Antarctica, the Vatican suppression of knowledge, and a lot more crooked shit in the world. Why do these people try so hard to keep the truth from us?

I'm not saying these are my personal beliefs. Just something to think about. If you believe in the Christian religion, this shouldn't be hard to consider.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

‘The people must have a religion and that religion must be in the hands of the government’.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. - Napoleon

Religion acts as a tool of social control, maintaining the existing system of exploitation and reinforcing the existing stratification order.

“Religion is a kind of spiritual gin in which the slaves of capital drown their human shape and their claims to any decent life.” - Lenin

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

the origin of religion was certainly not a device for world take-over, but yet over the years and with the birth of Catholisicm it certainly has become a thing of power.

.... "It is common knowledge that Bush & Kerry were both in the Skull & Bones, both are cousins, and both are related to at least 16 American presidents, not including the royalty of Europe. If you don't believe this you can study to find the truth. It was even shown on television."

^^^^with geneology it is possible to link almost anyone of the same regional ethnicity together. It is not suprising at all. Many religious people do their geneology all the back to...you guessed it, adam and eve. you have probably met many of your very very distant cousins without even knowing it.

 

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Several dinosaur fossils from millions of years ago prove these dinosaurs were highly intelligent. If evolution is true, would they not be far more advanced than us? Consider the serpent/dragon in many of the world's religions, as well as astrology. The Chinese, the indigenous Americans and the Egyptians have serpents in their religion as do the Christians. These serpents are bringers of knowledge. This is what the Illuminati/Skull & Bones base their beliefs on. While God suppressed knowledge, the serpent in the Garden of Eden told us the truth.[/B]

So does this make evolution false? I've yet to hear of any type of Dinosaur that could speak or even make a tool.

On the contrary, the non-Christian religions of the Natives consider the Quetzalcoatl, KulKulkan, etc., as a bringer of knowledge. In this religion, there is only one God, and that is Ometeotl. He/she is all encompassing. the Quetzalcoatl and others are deities, not Gods, as Jesus claimed to be.
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Don't just say 'natives.' Apaches, Inuits, etc didn't even know these gods. The pre-columbian peoples of Northern, Southern, andCentral America had more than one religion. The Nahuas did not worship Ometeotl. Ometeotl is not so much a "God" as he is life. He is not really the equivalent of YHWH or Uranus and Gaia. Ometeotl is only all encompassing because everything is made from Omoteotl. You're claims are wrong. There are plenty of other gods in the Nuhuas Pantheon. Quetzacoatl is among them.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

So does this make evolution false? I've yet to hear of any type of Dinosaur that could speak or even make a tool.

Do you think ever fossil ever has already been discovered? Do you think the government would let this information get out if one was found and disprove religion?

Don't just say 'natives.' Apaches, Inuits, etc didn't even know these gods. The pre-columbian peoples of Northern, Southern, andCentral America had more than one religion. The Nahuas did not worship Ometeotl. Ometeotl is not so much a "God" as he is life. He is not really the equivalent of YHWH or Uranus and Gaia. Ometeotl is only all encompassing because everything is made from Omoteotl. You're claims are wrong. There are plenty of other gods in the Nuhuas Pantheon. Quetzacoatl is among them.

I can say whatever the fuck I want. I didn't want to mention every tribe because that would take more research and more time. The Mexica worshipped Ometeotl, who is "everything." How can you say my claims are wrong and then call Quetzalcoatl a God, when Quetzalcoatl is a deity. He is one manifestation of Ometeotl. Study before you open your mouth.

 

[MEXCOM]

Do you think ever fossil ever has already been discovered? Do you think the government would let this information get out if one was found and disprove religion?

No I don't and I didn't say I did. Yes, why wouldnt they? We don't live in a religious ruled country like they do in Iran, here interest groups influence politics. There are many atheists who are archeologists who want to disprove religion. I doubt the government would be able to stop them if they did in fact find something in Isreal to disprove the Christian God.

I can say whatever the fuck I want. I didn't want to mention every tribe because that would take more research and more time. The Mexica worshipped Ometeotl, who is "everything." How can you say my claims are wrong and then call Quetzalcoatl a God, when Quetzalcoatl is a deity. He is one manifestation of Ometeotl. Study before you open your mouth.

First off I could give a rats ass what you say, but you are incorrect and if i can and i'm feeling up to it will correct you. Secondly if you're going to get into ANY type of debate on the Mexica and the Anahuac you've chosen the wrong person to do so. Thirdly the Mexica DID NOT whorship Ometeotl. It was pointless to do so. I don't even believe he had a temple or any sacrifices done in his name. They did whoever worship Quetzalcoatl because he was a god. Quetzalcoatl is not a manifestation of Ometeotl. He is a seperate entity and in some legends the son of Ometeotl. Omecihuatl and Ometecutli are [manifestations of] Ometeotl. The Anahuac people were NOT monotheistic. There is proof in that there is a pantheon of gods among whom Tezcatlipoca is the leader.

 

[BaSICCally]

No it shouldn't be hard to consider. But when one states that Christianity is stupid as fuck and the Bible contradicts itself, how can one go back to use the Bible as a resource to discuss another topic?

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

No I don't and I didn't say I did. Yes, why wouldnt they? We don't live in a religious ruled country like they do in Iran, here interest groups influence politics. There are many atheists who are archeologists who want to disprove religion. I doubt the government would be able to stop them if they did in fact find something in Isreal to disprove the Christian God.

If you don't believe we live in a religion-ruled country then you're dumber than you sound. This country is ruled by Christian whites & Jews, whether you want to admit it or not. Why is the president sworn in on the Bible? Why do we say "under god" in the pledge of allegiance. You can't claim this country is not religious.

A skull of a man who stood 6'6" was found in Pennsylvania several years ago. The skull had horns protruding from the forehead. It was submitted to the government for testing, and the government claimed that it disappeared. A replica of the skull can be found in one of France's museums.

Why has the Vatican been involved in so many world events, such as archaeology, etc? Why is the Vatican library hiding thousands of artifacts, texts, etc., and does not allow the public to view them? Why are there armed soldiers guarding Antarctica?

First off I could give a rats ass what you say, but you are incorrect and if i can and i'm feeling up to it will correct you. Secondly if you're going to get into ANY type of debate on the Mexica and the Anahuac you've chosen the wrong person to do so. Thirdly the Mexica DID NOT whorship Ometeotl. It was pointless to do so. I don't even believe he had a temple or any sacrifices done in his name. They did whoever worship Quetzalcoatl because he was a god. Quetzalcoatl is not a manifestation of Ometeotl. He is a seperate entity and in some legends the son of Ometeotl. Omecihuatl and Ometecutli are [manifestations of] Ometeotl. The Anahuac people were NOT monotheistic. There is proof in that there is a pantheon of gods among whom Tezcatlipoca is the leader.

If you'd like to debate about the indigenous people's history or religious beliefs, I will win, because I haven't been taught from Eurocentric sources, as you obviously have. If the Mexica did not worship Ometeotl, then who did? Ometeotl is THE ONLY Mexica God. Quetzalcoatl is a deity. You have obviously learned from non-indigenous sources. You probably believe Quetzalcoatl was really a white, bearded man....If Quetzalcoatl is the "son of Ometeotl" in some legends, isn't that the equivalent of Jesus being God?

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

No it shouldn't be hard to consider. But when one states that Christianity is stupid as fuck and the Bible contradicts itself, how can one go back to use the Bible as a resource to discuss another topic?

Christianity is stupid as fuck and the Bible does contradict itself. The Bible contradictions are PHILOSOPHICAl, however, not historical. I believe some of it can be used for historical study. It would be hard to separate fact from fiction, but it is still possible to get something out of it.

 

[BaSICCally]

What would a example(s) be?

 

[MEXCOM]

If you'd like to debate about the indigenous people's history or religious beliefs, I will win, because I haven't been taught from Eurocentric sources, as you obviously have. If the Mexica did not worship Ometeotl, then who did? Ometeotl is THE ONLY Mexica God. Quetzalcoatl is a deity. You have obviously learned from non-indigenous sources. You probably believe Quetzalcoatl was really a white, bearded man....If Quetzalcoatl is the "son of Ometeotl" in some legends, isn't that the equivalent of Jesus being God?

You've given NO EVIDENCE to support ANY of your claims. Secondly I've been thought by the Anahuac, the Mexica, the Maya, brown berets, Sons of Aztlan and other Xicanos. I've never believed a Eurocentric source without looking at a 'Mexican' Source. Secondly you should diffirentiate the difference between a deity and a god. As you see it. Then tell me why would the Mexica worship a pantheon of GODS if there was only one? Thirdly you should prove your stance using evidence, of which non is Eurocentric. As for Quetzalcoalt being a Jesus figure I would not agree. He was more of a Zeus and Ometotl being more of a kronos.

 

[MEXCOM]

If you don't believe we live in a religion-ruled country then you're dumber than you sound. This country is ruled by Christian whites & Jews, whether you want to admit it or not. Why is the president sworn in on the Bible? Why do we say "under god" in the pledge of allegiance. You can't claim this country is not religious.

Did I claim this country is not religious. If I am so dumb then why are you the idiot that can't even manipulate simple HTML enough as to correctly quote another person? I claimed this country to not be an extremely facist one. Secondly if this country were ruled by Christians then why are gay a marriages legal? Why does a church of Satan exist [regardless of its non-existant connections to Samael]?

A skull of a man who stood 6'6" was found in Pennsylvania several years ago. The skull had horns protruding from the forehead. It was submitted to the government for testing, and the government claimed that it disappeared. A replica of the skull can be found in one of France's museums.

This proves what? If anything it proves that Demons exist. Strengthening Christianity and other religions in which Demons exist.

Why has the Vatican been involved in so many world events, such as archaeology, etc? Why is the Vatican library hiding thousands of artifacts, texts, etc., and does not allow the public to view them? Why are there armed soldiers guarding Antarctica?

The vatican is not 'the government.' This is not relevant to what I have stated.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

What would a example(s) be?

There are many references in the Bible to what could be believed to be a flying serpent. There are other references to "Giants on Earth." If it were possible to connect this with other cultures or archaeological evidence, then perhaps it could have some meaning outside of religion.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

You've given NO EVIDENCE to support ANY of your claims. Secondly I've been thought by the Anahuac, the Mexica, the Maya, brown berets, Sons of Aztlan and other Xicanos. I've never believed a Eurocentric source without looking at a 'Mexican' Source. Secondly you should diffirentiate the difference between a deity and a god. As you see it. Then tell me why would the Mexica worship a pantheon of GODS if there was only one? Thirdly you should prove your stance using evidence, of which non is Eurocentric. As for Quetzalcoalt being a Jesus figure I would not agree. He was more of a Zeus and Ometotl being more of a kronos.

No evidence to support WHAT CLAIM? What evidence have you provided? You have been taught by nobody. You can say whatever you want, but it doesn't make it true. God is the supreme or ultimate reality. A deity is one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful, or the rank/essential nature of God, which is EXACTLY what the Quetzalcoatl is, a MANIFESTATION of Ometeotl. Visit www.mexicamovement.org . You can read about Mexica philosophy/religion. This is from a Mexica point of view, not a Eurocentric point of view. You have not provided ONE SOUCE for your claims. Provide me a non-Eurocentric source to back up your claims.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

Did I claim this country is not religious. If I am so dumb then why are you the idiot that can't even manipulate simple HTML enough as to correctly quote another person? I claimed this country to not be an extremely facist one. Secondly if this country were ruled by Christians then why are gay a marriages legal? Why does a church of Satan exist [regardless of its non-existant connections to Samael]?

I can create websites from scratch. I am well-versed in advanced HTML code, FLASH code, computer graphics, computer science, and a lot more. The problem with your statement is that this forum doesn't use HTML code. If you'd like to test me, feel free to make yourself look stupid.

This country is Fascist. Here is the definition, because I know your feeble mind could not possibly already have this much knowledge stored in it: "A political philosophy, movement or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." If you would like to debate this, feel free to start.

This proves what? If anything it proves that Demons exist. Strengthening Christianity and other religions in which Demons exist.

The vatican is not 'the government.' This is not relevant to what I have stated.

It could prove that there was something else here before human beings. It was found in North America, so this would coincide with the location of Biblical events. It was believed to be anatomically normal human body, except for the horns. It could discredit the theory of evolution and the theory of creationism. It could have a huge impact such as hysteria, etc., if it were proven to be of another planet, etc. The only way I could know the answer to that is if I tested it myself, but there has to be some reason why they wouldn't release their findings. The Vatican is relevant. I was speaking of the ways that information and knowledge are suppressed by the government. The United States government has ties to the Vatican and the pope. Without support from other governments, they would not have this power to manipulate the world through suppression of facts.

 

[MEXCOM]

No evidence to support WHAT CLAIM? What evidence have you provided? You have been taught by nobody. You can say whatever you want, but it doesn't make it true. God is the supreme or ultimate reality. A deity is one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful, or the rank/essential nature of God, which is EXACTLY what the Quetzalcoatl is, a MANIFESTATION of Ometeotl. Visit www.mexicamovement.org . You can read about Mexica philosophy/religion. This is from a Mexica point of view, not a Eurocentric point of view. You have not provided ONE SOUCE for your claims. Provide me a non-Eurocentric source to back up your claims.

My apologies for my responce taking so long. As I had things to do earlier today.
I've been to www.Mexicamovement.org and I have also been to www.mexicauprising.net and to many other sites. The problem with these sites is that they talk about many things and don't touch the subject of the religion as in depth as I would want them to. So I will throw in another site: http://www.amoxtli.org/ this site is exclusively to promote the Aztec Religion. The person who manages it is a 'priest' and even claims to sacrifice blood. I will quote him:
While Ometeotl is clearly the ultimate divinity, Ometeotl is not the one and only “God”, or even necessarily to be considered a god.
and
The Nahuas did not worship Ometeotl, no temples were erected for the source of divinity. Ometeotl was in everything and everywhere, not truly a being but rather the entire holiness of the universe.
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I also am a "hard" polytheist; I believe that each of the gods is an individual being in their own right, as opposed to simply being "aspects" of one supreme deity, or all pantheons simply being cultural expressions of certain archetypal god-types
Your definition with deity is a good one but I don't completely agree with the 'good' part. Can demons not also be deities? Can deities not be evil? And a question for you: Can a God be a deity and vice versa?

I can create websites from scratch. I am well-versed in advanced HTML code, FLASH code, computer graphics, computer science, and a lot more. The problem with your statement is that this forum doesn't use HTML code. If you'd like to test me, feel free to make yourself look stupid.

This forum/ website does in fact use HTML code. The thing is that we are not able to manipulate it. Also in the body of the text we are able to italisize, underline and bold our words. The HTML version would be <I>B</I> the forums way would be B[/ I], although it's technically not hmtl it's pretty darn close.

This country is Fascist. Here is the definition, because I know your feeble mind could not possibly already have this much knowledge stored in it: "A political philosophy, movement or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." If you would like to debate this, feel free to start.

If we are going to talk about knowledge and a lack of it then why not look at yourself. You capitalized 'fascist,' yet the word is not a proper noun. Simple grammar. We can continue to barate each other or try to teach and learn from one another. I prefer the latter. As for the fascist I agree it is. I never denied it. Read my responce and past responces of mine on the subject and you might understand why I said what I said. It would be too lenghty to start on this thread.

It could prove that there was something else here before human beings. It was found in North America, so this would coincide with the location of Biblical events. It was believed to be anatomically normal human body, except for the horns. It could discredit the theory of evolution and the theory of creationism. It could have a huge impact such as hysteria, etc., if it were proven to be of another planet, etc. The only way I could know the answer to that is if I tested it myself, but there has to be some reason why they wouldn't release their findings. The Vatican is relevant. I was speaking of the ways that information and knowledge are suppressed by the government. The United States government has ties to the Vatican and the pope. Without support from other governments, they would not have this power to manipulate the world through suppression of facts.

There was something else before human beings. Biblically and Evolutionarily(sp) speaking you have either Angels or a pre-homo sapien I believe the term is proto-hominid. What biblical events do you speak of? As for manipulation of people via the hiding of the skull I still can't see why they would. I completely understand your stance, but I still think it would have been in the Vaticans best interest to keep the skull, prove that demons exist as that would shut up Atheist and other non Christians. This would even prove to have a positive impact on the growth of Christians/Catholics and thus the Vatican would have even more people brainwashed.

 

[RuThLeSs RiCk]

My apologies for my responce taking so long. As I had things to do earlier today.
I've been to www.Mexicamovement.org and I have also been to www.mexicauprising.net and to many other sites. The problem with these sites is that they talk about many things and don't touch the subject of the religion as in depth as I would want them to. So I will throw in another site: http://www.amoxtli.org/ this site is exclusively to promote the Aztec Religion. The person who manages it is a 'priest' and even claims to sacrifice blood. I will quote him:
While Ometeotl is clearly the ultimate divinity, Ometeotl is not the one and only “God”, or even necessarily to be considered a god.
and
The Nahuas did not worship Ometeotl, no temples were erected for the source of divinity. Ometeotl was in everything and everywhere, not truly a being but rather the entire holiness of the universe.
and
I also am a "hard" polytheist; I believe that each of the gods is an individual being in their own right, as opposed to simply being "aspects" of one supreme deity, or all pantheons simply being cultural expressions of certain archetypal god-types

After more research, I have found those who believe what I have said, the monotheistic belief, and others who believe they worshipped many Gods. However, notice "Gods" is in parenthesis . This is referring to the different between Europe's belief in what a God is and the indigenous beliefs. Regardless of what they consider Gods, I still believe the religion is more realistic than Christianity, even if only for the belief of good and evil being found in man, and not in made-up places like Heaven and Hell.

Your definition with deity is a good one but I don't completely agree with the 'good' part. Can demons not also be deities? Can deities not be evil? And a question for you: Can a God be a deity and vice versa?[/QUOTE

Good point. In the definition I said it could mean the symbol is "good" or "powerful". Evil would fit into the powerful category. For example, in Christianity their deities are "good," while Mexica deities are powerful.

This forum/ website does in fact use HTML code. The thing is that we are not able to manipulate it. Also in the body of the text we are able to italisize, underline and bold our words. The HTML version would be <I>B</I> the forums way would be B[/ I], although it's technically not hmtl it's pretty darn close.

If we are going to talk about knowledge and a lack of it then why not look at yourself. You capitalized 'fascist,' yet the word is not a proper noun. Simple grammar. We can continue to barate each other or try to teach and learn from one another. I prefer the latter. As for the fascist I agree it is. I never denied it. Read my responce and past responces of mine on the subject and you might understand why I said what I said. It would be too lenghty to start on this thread.

I capitalized the word so it would stand out. It had nothing to do with puncuation.

There was something else before human beings. Biblically and Evolutionarily(sp) speaking you have either Angels or a pre-homo sapien I believe the term is proto-hominid. What biblical events do you speak of? As for manipulation of people via the hiding of the skull I still can't see why they would. I completely understand your stance, but I still think it would have been in the Vaticans best interest to keep the skull, prove that demons exist as that would shut up Atheist and other non Christians. This would even prove to have a positive impact on the growth of Christians/Catholics and thus the Vatican would have even more people brainwashed.

According to the Bible, God made men in his image. From what I have read, Christians believe themselves to be the first humanoids. This is why many believe the discovery of dinosaurs disproves the Bible. The skeleton I was speaking of stood 6'6" and had horns. After inspection, the entire body and skull seemed completely human, with the exception of the horns. If it were proven to be human, the impact would be great. If it were proven to be demon, the impact on religious fanatics would be devastating. I think Tommy Lee Jones says it best in Men in Black:

“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”