Rap Music Fucked up Big Time...

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Apr 25, 2002
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I was actually watching a good documentary on MTV, and it talked eabout 911 and entertainment. The biggest point that struck me: NO RAPPERS TALKED ABOUT 911. Nas and Outkast incorporated the events into their songs (The Whole World, Poison, My Country Shitted on Me, One Mic) but other than that, absolutely no artists did anything on MTV about 911.

The fact that rap clearly overlooked the biggest event in our lifespans definitely sucks ass, and it makes rap in general look bad. Despite the thousands of lifes lost, the growing racial profiling and violation of liberty laws in America, and the constant "War on Terrorism" that or government is pumping billions of dollars into was completely ignored for the "Bling Bling" aspects of rap.

Its not to say that our artists did any better. Mac Mall who seems to be very political on IB2000 and Immaculate only takes one hit shots at the president on his new album and sticks to keepin it pimpin. Done Deal Family, in my opinion the most talented lyricists in the bay dont even make reference to it. C-Bo, AP9 and other artists who in there music seem to be representitives of the people dont even state their opinion. Nickatina's last compilation has no 911 motivated songs either, nor have Mr. Kee, 11/5 UDI and Family, or Sac artists like Luni or Lynch.

The bottom line to me is rap music fucked up. 911 was a big deal, its a big deal now, and it will continue to be a big deal as long as Bush continues to use its rhetoric to justify invading countries with "terror links." I dont know how a music that justifies its violent lyrics as free speech would refuse to make a difference in a world that is bigger than gangs, than violence, than money, cash hoes.

Rap had an oppurtunity to re-emerge as the music of popular choice over this new pop-rock alternative style of music but failed because it (whether selfishly or cowardly) denied that 911 even happened.

That's the way I feel about it. What about yall?

I mean it also proves the nessecity for a regime change in the rap industry as well. When artists like Ja Rule, Camron and Jay Z dont speak up for their fans and their people, they shouldnt be on TV am I right???
 
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so the rap industry fucked up by not cashing in on 911 like every other source of entertainment did, why would they want to make a song about it, people die everyfuckingday all over the world, a lot of people.
fuck everyone that is cashing in on this shit
 
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Dosia, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Why should rappers try to make money off such a tragedy. Thats kinda low if you ask me.

Even though I don't think it would have worked.
 
May 15, 2002
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i dont think it is the responsibility of the rappers to make a song about it, and personally, i really dont want to hear any songs about it. if an artist did make a song about 9/11, good for them, but i really dont care whether they did or not.
 
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I dont think its a stragedy, I think its a responsibility. When you are in the lime light like Jay Z, and your from New York, and you sport New York Yankee hats and jackets, and you make songs about New York, and then your citiy's biggest buildings are destroyed by terrorists and thousands of people from you city (and abroad) die, you'd think that Jay Z would make a song, would talk about it, would feel for his people, make hits that attend to the current state of our nation. But instead he didnt.

And I know some rappers did do it, but the majority of them didnt. Nearly none did on MTV, and what I was saying about the bay is the majority of artists who have popular fan bases havent said shit, they basically ignored an issue that effects people in real life, while rap is all about keepin it "Real."
 
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^^^^^^^^^^

yeah i agree with mainstream rappers' failure to address it (especially those from new york) but it just doesnt make any sense to me to expect rappers like bo, nickatina, ap9, kee, etc to address it when they dont even talk about political issues in the first place and are so far from new york that they might not feel motivated enough to address it in their raps. the song i mentioned above was an exception but what i'm trying to say is that on the whole its unrealistic to expect that from local rappers.
 
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True, it can appear very foreign...but lets take a look at American crime statistics...about 3 months ago they released crime statistics from last year, crime is on the rise 2% nation-wide, its up six percent on the west coast. We are spending billions on wars, and I havent ever researched it, but it HAS to come from somewhere, so our educational systems, our domestic defense (police etc) must be losing money from the national budget, or will in the future.

Not to mention the fact that 911 is allowing major criminals in corporate society to get away with stealing billions of dollars and not even be tried (so far 1 Enron executive has been indicted). These crimes get mentioned on CNN maybe once a month, and u gotta know that it has to happen more often. A lot of shit is going down that violates your average American blue-collared worker that goes unsaid, did I mention they can tap your phone now if you say a certain word (ie BOMB) a certain number of times?!
 
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MaddDogg said:
Not to mention the fact that 911 is allowing major criminals in corporate society to get away with stealing billions of dollars and not even be tried (so far 1 Enron executive has been indicted). These crimes get mentioned on CNN maybe once a month, and u gotta know that it has to happen more often.
Corruption's great isn't it? It shows everyone's true colors
 
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Good Point..

Dosia said:
so the rap industry fucked up by not cashing in on 911 like every other source of entertainment did, why would they want to make a song about it, people die everyfuckingday all over the world, a lot of people.
fuck everyone that is cashing in on this shit
People shouldnt capitilize off of tragety's for profit or political gain....
 
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Good point maddog, but in reality, a lot of rappers probably don't believe 9/11 affected them personally. They're probably chillin, thinkin, "My mansion is safe, my cars are safe, I'm alive".

And to those who think it's "cashing in" on a tragedy, I don't agree. How is it cashing in on a tragedy if you speak about how you feel? It wasn't cashing in when 'Pac did LIFE GOES ON, or HOW LONG WILL THEY MOURN ME...people like relating to songs like that, and his homies' families weren't trippin, he was paying respects. A rapper can pay his/her respects to the victims and say how they feel in the same song....that is not cashing in, that's being socially conscious and being REAL with what you're doing. If you rap about it, and you MEAN IT, that is not cashing in, that's speaking your mind...plain and simple.
 
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Sydal said:
....that is not cashing in, that's being socially conscious and being REAL with what you're doing. If you rap about it, and you MEAN IT, that is not cashing in, that's speaking your mind...plain and simple.
"real talk."
 

Ry

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  • Ry

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Theres enough shit going on in all our nieghborhoods right now as we speak. We need to worry about that before we worry about 2 buildings that were owned by multi-billion dollar corporations. All the money thats going into oppressing arabs in the middle east should be used here at home to create jobs, feed clothe and house the poor, cure diseases, supply free health care, educate children, give free post-secondary education for everyone, wipe out the national debt, fight crime, stop drug abuse, stop drugs from entering our country, take guns off the street, reduce racism, etc...

I think most rappers dont speak about 9/11 because they see first hand whats happening in thier nieghborhoods, and are more concerned about thier brother,mother, cousin, kids, etc...
 
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That's all fine and dandy, and I agree with what you're saying Ry...but let's be realistic here, you're talking about the U.S government right? You think they give a fuck about what goes on in the streets? Bill Gates has enough money to wipe out the National Debt on his own, but will he? No, because he's a greedy fuckin nerd.

The war on drugs will NEVER end, because the shit is out there...once it's out there, people will get their hands on it one way or the other....a lot of people like to believe the government has something to do with importing mass amounts of drugs into the United States. I mean c'mon, they knew when Sadaam Hussein's step-son came here and got him out REAL QUICK, why can't they find out when the drugs are coming and where they are coming from? They know already!! I mean fuck, WE, THE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS, know where the fuckin drugs come from.

Point being, those things you mentioned are things that need to be taken care of, but the government is too blind to see that they are fucking up the future of America by only caring about what goes on in middle and upper class America. Personally, I think it's stupid, because middle and upper class people are the most fucked up...shooting up schools, creating corrupt government....and the list goes on...shit, I'm done, I could go on forever.
 
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RY if the point you made was in a song it would be political and it wouldbe regarding 911. Look at our interests in the middle east and how we have strategically positioned ourselves to control the second biggest oil reserve in the world all in the name of "terror."
 
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i gotta disagree with the sentiment that rappers need to be addressing 9/11 in their songs or else they are "not socially conscious".

the job of a rapper is to entertain. too short entertains us by spittin x-rated bitch raps. dead prez entertains us by rhyming about social issues.

it is not logical to expect dead prez to start rhyming about pussy & bitches the way short does, just like we can not expect too short to drop knowledge on the IMF or global trade issues.

the niggas whose minds are politically, socially, metaphysically inclined will make records which reflect that mindstate, & the niggas whose minds never leave the block, pussy, drugs, & money will also keep makin records which reflect their consciousness.

so if a nigga decides to make a reference or a song about 9/11, then that is his choice. if he does not, that does not mean that he doesn't care about the lives lost or the impact of terrorism. you have to remember that this rap shit is a business, & if a nigga has created a gangsta image for himself, then it is not going to be good business for him to suddenly switch up & be politic man on some public enemy shit.

just let them fools make the music they make, and take it for what it is, not for what it should be.

i could make the case that i want to hear more songs about the mating habits of the south african wombat, but if nobody makes songs about it, it doesn't mean anything.

i do agree with the ridiculous amounts of materialism still seen in hip hop today, but what can you do about it? that is the way of the mtv world we live in nowadays.
 
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SNAKEPIT RECORDS-PANDEMONIUM album
MC HAMMER- I forgot the name of the album and rappers donated money so in other words this post has NO RELATIVE POINT AT ALL.
 
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^^^
Anyways, back to the point that 911 HAS AFFECTED ALL OF US. When you fly, you pay a security tax. People lost family. The stock market crashed. The US is making less money. new laws allow your phone to be tapped without permission. Government money is being used for war, not problems that are occuring in our streets...a rising crime rate, a lack of education...and a corportate crime syndicate (which VP Dick Cheney may or may not be involved in) that is being ignored.

And I disagree, RAP is NOT EnTERTAINMENT. Rap is music.
P Diddy, Busta Rhymes, Nelly are entertainers.
Nas, Mac Mall, X Raided are RAPPERS.