Questioning Hell........?

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A Question Of Hell
One Minister Questions Its Existence

At least one minister questions Hell's existence. (Photodisc)

Recent years have provided plenty of church scandals, but an unlikely one has occurred in the Bible belt. A prominent Tulsa, Okla., minister was scandalized not by sex or embezzlement, but by his belief in hell.

When Carlton Pearson began wondering if modern believers still need a medieval pit of fire, it cost him his congregation.

He shared pulpits with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. He counseled presidents at the White House. And after the Oklahoma City bombing, he was called to lead the grieving in prayer.

Throughout his rise, Pearson preached the fundamentals: Everyone is born a sinner. Everyone is going to hell, unless they accept Jesus Christ as Lord.

"Thank God I don't have to go to hell even though I deserve hell," Pearson preached. "But Jesus vicariously substituted for me -- took on death, hell and the grave -- and I have victory today."

But through the years, as he as he studied the ancient Greek and Hebrew scriptures, Pearson developed a crisis of faith.

"I couldn't reconcile a God whose mercy endures forever and this torture chamber that's customized for unbelievers," he said. "You can't be happy. And how can you really love a god who's torturing your grandmother?"

The more he studied, the more he saw the Bible not as the literal word of God, but a book by men about God, with primitive men prone to mistranslations, political agendas and human emotions.


And one night, as he watched ABC News' Peter Jennings report on the parade of suffering in Rwanda, he had a revelation. He questioned how a God who calls himself loving could let people suffer so badly and then suck them into Hell.


"That's when I thought I heard an inner voice say, 'Is that what you think we're doing?'" he said.

Pearson believed God was telling him there was Hell on earth.

"The bitter torment of the idea of an angry, visceral, distant, stoic, harsh, unrelenting, unforgiving, intolerant God is Hell," he said. "It's pagan. It's superstitious. And if you trace its history, it goes way back to where men feared the gods because something happened in life that caused frustration."

Pearson said people who believe in Hell create it for themselves and others.

"People who believe in devils and demons become that in consciousness and they act it out," he added.

Awesome. Now hopefully he has the balls to stand up to Robertson and the other crazys.

:cool:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=3356360&page=2

"If there is no Hell, how can you give me money to keep you out of it?"



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I don't believe in Hell either, Hell is Hebrew Sheol, which simply means the common grave of mankind. Indeed, the stuff about fire and brimstone seems suspect and equates more with Hades, reflecting the Greek influence on the scripture. As far as human pain and suffering, we were put here with the tools to survive and given free will. As a collective we are strong enough to overcome things like Famine, poverty, rapes, and murders, however, we as a collective choose not to. Natural disasters and diseases are a part of the environment and everything isn't going to be ideal, which is why we feel pain, sadness, etc. It's relative and if I were that spoiled, I'd ask God why does he stand by and let people feel pain when they get punched in the mouth instead of healing them instantly, these sort of questions are illogical imo.. The preacher seems to be going through a mid-life crisis or some shit.. Good post..
 
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www.newdimensions.us

ParkBoyz, peep this page. It is the preachers and their is the whole story they did on him. Click the links to both segments, I watched them both and it is good that he came to his realization.

Funny how his friends all turned their back on him. Oral Roberts wrote him a long ass letter telling him to give up the Doctrine of No Hell.
 
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^Thanx, I'll check it out as it is an interesting story. Unfortunately it does seem that the dogma of religion ostracizes any opposition that challenges long-held and established views, even if they are flawed.. I'm about to listen to the segments now, good looking out again on the link..
 
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^Actually, I didn't mean to generalize like that, which I admit was foolish. It is the people who hold steadfast to certain interpretations and it is people who ostracize, not religion. Correction of self..

I'm still trying to watch this video but it keeps skipping over the entire clip and instead showed some white lady talking about how they're preparing the video file.. I'm not able to view the video, guess I missed out.. JLMACN, how did you go about viewing the video?

^Nevermind, found it on youtube!
 
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I love his message, ok, I got the wrong first impression. I thought that he was complaining about pain and suffering and losing faith because of it, but it is the opposite. I see how it would be seen as radical, even Atheists will be redeemed, which is beautiful actually if true. The problem with this I guess is that there would be no reason whatsoever to follow God's law..
 
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Doesn't the bible say something like if you follow these two commandments -Love the lord thy god we all your body and soul, and love your neighbor as you do yourself- then you have no need for the book (bible)?
 

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this guys got the right idea.
i dont believe in hell either, especially not an eternal hell.
but i have already spoken my views about the many illogical ideas of fundamentalist religions.
 
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ParkBoyz said:
I love his message, ok, I got the wrong first impression. I thought that he was complaining about pain and suffering and losing faith because of it, but it is the opposite. I see how it would be seen as radical, even Atheists will be redeemed, which is beautiful actually if true. The problem with this I guess is that there would be no reason whatsoever to follow God's law..
haha....yea you were off, but that is why I did not type some sort of "you need to watch the video" rebuttal. lol

Although, I do not see myself changing my Atheist ideas, I do however, see some homosexuals and outcasts alike being "saved".
 
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ParkBoyz said:
The problem with this I guess is that there would be no reason whatsoever to follow God's law..

The reason to follow God's law in this case is to enrich your (and others) life here on earth, as opposed to following the law out of fear of damnation.
 

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Well, my guess is that questioning hell is like asking if god exists or not, but I dunno
WRONG

thats the same thing i see most athiest doing, and that is disagreeing with something about religion such as hell, and throwing the whole concept of religion out the window.



im really struggling while trying to explain myself because im trying to explain my perception in words, because its an image/POV.

but anyway, humanity has flipped shit all around over the thousands of years, so dont hold on to your one whole view of an idea because anything is possible.

damn now i know how jesus felt tryin to explain himself to a bunch of primitive beings.
all i can say is there is more out there(not talkin about God), and its BIG.
keep your eyes and minds open to everything.
 

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taetae said:
The reason to follow God's law in this case is to enrich your (and others) life here on earth, as opposed to following the law out of fear of damnation.
exactly
intent dictates where we all stand, and all of us including nonbelievers have the greatest intention.
no God would ever be primitive enough to punish people according to their label.
 
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Hemp said:
WRONG

thats the same thing i see most athiest doing, and that is disagreeing with something about religion such as hell, and throwing the whole concept of religion out the window.



im really struggling while trying to explain myself because im trying to explain my perception in words, because its an image/POV.

but anyway, humanity has flipped shit all around over the thousands of years, so dont hold on to your one whole view of an idea because anything is possible.

damn now i know how jesus felt tryin to explain himself to a bunch of primitive beings.
all i can say is there is more out there(not talkin about God), and its BIG.
keep your eyes and minds open to everything.
Did you just relate yourself to Jesus? :knockout:
 

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Hemp said:
im really struggling while trying to explain myself because im trying to explain my perception in words, because its an image/POV.

but anyway, humanity has flipped shit all around over the thousands of years, so dont hold on to your one whole view of an idea because anything is possible.

damn now i know how jesus felt tryin to explain himself to a bunch of primitive beings.
all i can say is there is more out there(not talkin about God), and its BIG.
keep your eyes and minds open to everything.
this is the best way i can show where im comming from(nothing about egyptians but about humanity):

"... we must be able to transcribe what is in us into our mental and objective consciousness, by establishing a relationship between the life in us and observation of that life in Nature. This we find supremely well expressed by the ancient Egyptians. It is a knowledge of magic, pure and sane, which can lead rapidly toward the spiritual goal of our lives, owing to the fact that we can evoke, by means of the sympathy of analogues in our surroundings, the consciousness of the heart latent in us."
from "The Temple In Man -Rene Schwaller de Lubicz


some of you will like the book, parkboyz probably.
 

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This is R. A. Schwaller de Lubiczs mindblowing book The Temple in Man - "Sacred Architecture and the Perfect Man (1977) which constitutes a major breakthrough in our understanding of ancient Egypt and the true esoteric meaning of its monumental architecture. His many years of research in medieval hermeticism and its expression in cathedral architecture led him to the discovery that the very same principles informed the sacred architecture of ancient Egypt. This insight prompted him to undertake fifteen years of on-site research at Luxor Temple. He measured the entire temple, including every block and inscription, and proved that the plan of the temple was rigorously based upon human proportions and designed to symbolically represent man. Each detail of masonry and symbolic art expresses an element of the Egyptians comprehensive knowledge of mans physical and spiritual anatomy. The human being embodied in the geometry of the temples architecture is Pharaoh, symbolic of the Perfect Man. In Egypt, Pharaoh represented the final stage of mans evolution, his ultimate divinization. The Temple in Man awakens us to the inevitable resurrection of the spiritual essence of man which has involved itself in matter. This resurrection depends upon the transformation of the material universe and is the sole cosmic goal. Every human birth participates in this alchemy, either in a conscious manner, through the intentional perfecting and manifesting of ones higher nature, or unconsciously, through the tumult and suffering of experience that lead eventually to spiritual self-awareness?the temple in man. Schwaller de Lubiczs great work, grounded in a remarkable insight into the science and philosophy of the ancient world, opens the way to a complete reappraisal of Egyptian civilization, revolutionizing our view of history. This book contains the first published results of Schwallers 12 years of research at the temple of Luxor and its implications for interpreting the symbolic and mathematical processes of the Egyptians through their sacred architecture. 130 pages, many pictures. A must read for everyone."

my understanding and perception is this^, and ever since age 12 i have actually been consciously building the road in front of me on my path to the higher self.
lol alot of you may be laughin, but that doesnt bother me because i know its there.


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