PRONUNCIATION OF YHWH

EDJ · Jul 20, 2003

FOR ALL THAT DON'T KNOW, THAT IS (gOD'S) PERSONAL NAME, ALSO KNOWN AS THE TETRAgRAM. BUT IT IS DISPUTED HOW IT'S PRONOUNCED.
BUT I HAVE CAME ACROSS A SITE THAT HAS INSIgHT AND RESEARCH FROM A HISTORICAL POINT, PEEP:

http://www.divinename.net/

PEEP THE SUMMARY OUT FOR A gENERAL LOOK ON THE LEFT.

Vyasadeva · Jul 20, 2003

Interesting reading. God is definitely a person. That website caused me to ponder a few questions, and I submit them respectfully.

Does YHWH have a personal form in addition to His personal name? Has it been described in any scripture?

Is it possible for one to view YHWH face-to-face?

What is the nature of the activities of YHWH, and who are His most intimate associates?

I am interested in the notion of God being the Supreme Person, which I agree with, although I disagree on what that Supreme Person's name is. I ask these questions not to start arguing or anything, just so that I can better understand the science behind the name YHWH. You seem to know this subject, so who better to ask?

Peace

EDJ · Jul 20, 2003

VYASADEVA,
YOU gONNA START ONE BIg ASS DISCUSSION CAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY FOO'S IN HERE WITH TOO MANY BELIEFS AND IT INCLUDES THE PRONUNCIATION OF THE FOUR CONSONANTS THAT MAKE UP THE DIVINE NAME.

BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT CONCISE AND INFORMATIVE.

YOU STRESSED, "Does YHWH have a personal form in addition to His personal name?"

I COULD UNDA-STAND THE QUESTION IN TWO WAYS. ARE YOU ASKIN' IF "YHWH"(THE NAME ITSELF) HAS A DIFFERENT LETTERIN'? OR ARE YOU ASKIN' IF YHWH(REFERRIN' TO <gOD> BEIN' REFERENCED IN A PERSONAL SENSE) HAS A PHYSICAL OR SPIRITUAL BODY?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Has it been described in any scripture?"

OH YES OF COURSE. THE ORIgINAL SCRIPTURES HAVE IT MENTIONED OVER 7,000 TIMES BUT THE SUPERSTITIOUS JEWS REPLACED IT WITH THE TITLE "LORD" OR "gOD". THUS THRU TRANSLATIONS IT HAS BEEN OMMITTED. BUT A SCRIPTURE SOME BIBLES COULDN'T REPLACE THE TRANSLATIONS IS PSALMS 83:18

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Is it possible for one to view YHWH face-to-face?"

NOPE

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What is the nature of the activities of YHWH, and who are His most intimate associates?"

YHWH IS THE ALPHA AND OMEgA. THE BEggININ' AND THE END. HE CREATED ALL. HE IS A JUST AND LOVIN' FATHER. BUT WE AS HUMANS DON'T COMPREHEND ALL HIS WILL, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HE DO ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS CAUSE I WOULD BE LYIN'. AND WHEN YOU MAKE ASK ABOUT INTIMATE ASSOCIATES, ARE YOU ASKIN' WHO IS LIKE HIM? OR ARE YOU ASKIN' WHO RESIDES WITH HIM WHERE HE DWELLS? WHO HE KIKS IT WITH?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I am interested in the notion of God being the Supreme Person, which I agree with, although I disagree on what that Supreme Person's name is."

WHY DO YOU DISAgREE ON THE NAME? gO BAK TO THAT SITE, READ ALL THE PAgES, AND DO SOME RESEARCH. I BELIEVE YOU MIgHT HAVE TO BE ENLIgHTENED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I ask these questions not to start arguing or anything, just so that I can better understand the science behind the name YHWH."

THERE AIN'T NO SCIENCE TO IT, JUST HISTORICAL AND SCRIPTURAL FACTS. YHWH IS THE HEBREW TRANSLATION OF THE TETRAgRAM WHICH TRANSLATE INTO THE FOUR CONSONANTS MENTIONED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You seem to know this subject, so who better to ask?"

I'LL TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT EVEN THOUgH I KNOW MY PATNA HERESY WOULD LOVE TO CONVERSE ON THIS TOPIC EVEN THOUgH HE'LL PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE AND NOT gIVE YOU ANSWERS UNLESS YOU ASK THE RIgHT DIRECT QUESTIONS.

SOTBitchness · Jul 20, 2003

ALL THREE OF MY SCREEN NAMES WERE BANNED! WHY MUST I BE SUCH A HOMO? IF YOU SEE ANY OF THESE SCREEN NAMES YOU KNOW IT'S ME!!!

SOTBitchness
superman
The Soz

P.S.
I'M NOT FROM ANY HOOD OR PROJECTS I'M FROM NEW MEXICO!

Vyasadeva · Jul 20, 2003

Actually homie it looks to me like you are the one who started this topic of discussion, and I am not interested in what those other foo's think or believe. I am focused on the information from the website you provided, and I figured you would be willing to discuss it.

I meant does He have a spiritual body? A physical body is material and changing, whereas God is eternal and unchanging, so I do not see how God could have a physical body.

About the different letterings, in both of these instances, the *entity* being referred to is the same. All that is different is the markings which are used to symbolize it.

YHWH = Yahweh

KRSNA = Krishna

Why not? Does YHWH have a face?

You say He is a just and loving father but yet He does not allow us to look at Him face-to-face?

Exactly, who does He kick it with and share His love with?

If it is impossible to associate with Him personally or view Him face-to-face, what is the value of having a relationship with God or fulfilling His will?

I accept the oldest known writings in the history of the world, the Vedic scripture, which describes the Supreme Personality of Godhead as Sri Krsna. The Vedas existed prior to the Torah, Bible and Koran, and explain the science of God.

Buddha, Allah, Visnu, YHWH, Narayan etc. are all names of the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna.

I read the whole site the first time, and will look at it again.

If it is historically and scripturally factual then it is scientific. The science of something means the studied and observed workings and explanations of that certain phenomena, and knowing God's name is the knowing the highest science in all existence.

Understood.

Heresy and I have gone back and forth enough times, and I have seen that even the two of you disagree on certain points. If :H: has any insights with regards to the personality of YHWH they would be appreciated. But I am not really interested in jumping through hoops and asking the "right" questions to obtain answers.

m.w.merlino · Jul 20, 2003

SOTBitchness said:

2-0-Sixx · Jul 20, 2003

SOTBitchness said:

nefar559 · Jul 20, 2003

Vyasadeva said:

i was just skimming through your post and just read these portion. Vedas existed prior to the Torah, that is correct, but who wrote it? last i heard was it spoken generation to generation and then written down.

anyone who reaches enlightment(wakens) becomes a buddha, buddha is no god ... the Buddha who founded Buddhism told him followers that he was no god, but a man just like them.

YOu know who wrote the Qur'an and why he did it?

HERESY · Jul 21, 2003

AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE. HIS NAME IS IN HIS NAME.

If someone wants to take this a bit deeper look into the words anthropomorphic and KOVOD. KOVOD IS ***VERY*** IMPORTANT!

YHWH IS A SPIRIT. THAT IS HIS FORM. IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE TORAH AND NEW TESTAMENT. John 4:24

"HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER". MAKE *SURE* YOU READ THIS:http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr1999/r&r9911b.htm AND 2 Enoch 22:1-4

TRUTH,RIGHTEOUSNESS,PEACE,FAITH,SALVATION. HE SPEAKS AND THEY ARE DONE.

YESHUA AND THE RAUCH. YHWH IS SURROUNDED BY "THE BURNING ONES","THE MANY TONGUED ONES", "THE SHINING ONES" AND "THE MANY EYED ONES". FOUR BEASTS AND 24 ELDERS SURROUND HIS THRONE ALSO. WHOEVER IS SEATED TO THE *RIGHT* OF HIM IS HELD IN THE *HIGHEST* REGARDS. WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH KINGS AND THRONES THE *RIGHT* SIDE IS SYMBOLIC AND MEANS SOMETHING. YOU'LL FIND IT OUT EVENTUALLY.

IF YOU HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE NAME YOU WOULDNT TYPE THAT. IF YOU HAD A KNOWLEDGE OF HEBREW LIKE YEHUDA YOU *REALLY* WOULDNT HAVE MADE THAT STATEMENT. IM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THATS GREAT. THE VEDAS AND HINDUISM COME UNDER SCRUTINY JUST LIKE OTHER SCRIPTURES.

"BUDDAH" IS NOT THE NAME OF ***ANY*** "GOD". YHWH IS *NOT* THE NAME OF KRSNA. NO JEWISH OR CHRISTIAN WRITINGS REFER TO SUCH A BEING. ALLAH IS NOT THE NAME OF KRSNA. ITS *IMPOSSIBLE* FOR ALL OF THESE NAMES TO BE THE NAME OF KRSNA. ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THESE GODS TO BE ONE AND THE SAME.

:h:

EDJ · Jul 21, 2003

VYASADEVA,
YOU STRESSED, "Actually homie it looks to me like you are the one who started this topic of discussion, and I am not interested in what those other foo's think or believe."

DAMN, COME BOLD WITH IT THEN. I FEEL SPECIAL.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I am focused on the information from the website you provided, and I figured you would be willing to discuss it."

YUP. I WANT TO gET DOWN TO THE RIgHT PRONUNCIATION OF THE FOUR CONSONANTS CAUSE THERE IS TRANSLATED DIFFERENCES AND BELIEFS. IF WE CAN HELP EACH OTHA FIND TRUTH THEN IT'S ALL gRAVY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I meant does He have a spiritual body?"

HE DOES, HE IS A SPIRIT. HE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL ONE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, " A physical body is material and changing, whereas God is eternal and unchanging, so I do not see how God could have a physical body. "

ME EITHA. I WAS JUST ASKIN' TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU ASKED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "About the different letterings, in both of these instances, the *entity* being referred to is the same."

YOU TALKIN' BOUT KRSNA AND YHWH BEIN' THE SAME?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "All that is different is the markings which are used to symbolize it.

YHWH = Yahweh

KRSNA = Krishna"

HOW ARE THEY THE SAME? WHAT DOES KRSNA MEAN AND WHAT LANgUAgE OR IDIOM DID IT ORIgINATE FROM? AND HOW DO YOU FIgURE YHWH IS PROUNOUNCED "YAHWEH", VERSUS JHVH, JEHOVAH, I'OVAH, YE*HO*WAH OR N-E OTHA WAY MENTIONED IN THAT SITE? WHAT IS CORRECT? THAT BOOK IN THAT SITE BREAKS IT ON DOWN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Why not?"

CAUSE WE IMPERFECT AND HIS PERFECTION IS TOO MUCH FOR US TOO UNDERSTAND THUS gRAB THE CONCEPT OF WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE. IT IS WRITTEN THAT NOBODY CAN LOOK AT JEHOVAH AND KEEP ON LIVIN'. TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF MOSES AND THE BURNIN' BUSHES INCIDENT. ME PERSONALLY I BELIEVE, THAT IN OUR LOgIC AND STATE, MANKIND WOULD TRY TO JUDgE HIM AND TRY TO MAKE IMAgES OF HIM AND ALL KIND OF SHIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Does YHWH have a face?"

HE MUST. HE MADE MAN IN HIS IMAgE AND THRU OUT THE BIBLE gESTURES ARE REFERENCED TO HIM.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You say He is a just and loving father but yet He does not allow us to look at Him face-to-face?"

THAT IS HIS WILL. HE TESTIN' TO SEE WHO WILL HAVE FAITH AND LOVE AND WHO WILL DOUBT. LOVE IS BLIND. HIS WORKS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHAT DOES (gOD) HAVE PROVE TO US?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Exactly, who does He kick it with and share His love with?"

HE SHARES HIS LOVE TO THOSE WHO SEEK HIM AND DO HIS WILL. BUT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL I DON'T KNOW (gOD'S) PERSONAL LIFE CAUSE WE AS HUMANS ARE YET TO COMPREHEND HOW (gOD) gETS DOWN OR EXISTS, OR EVEN BEgAN. TO HIM 1000 YEARS IS LIKE A DAY. SO THAT TELLS YOU RIgHT THERE THAT EVEN TIME IS DIFFERENT FOR HIM.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If it is impossible to associate with Him personally or view Him face-to-face, what is the value of having a relationship with God or fulfilling His will?"

ARE YOU LOOKIN' AT ME FACE TO FACE RIgHT NOW? BUT WE ARE gETTIN' PERSONAL ON OUR BELIEFS RIgHT? SAME WITH (gOD), THRU PRAYER WE DRAW CLOSER TO HIM.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I accept the oldest known writings in the history of the world, the Vedic scripture, which describes the Supreme Personality of Godhead as Sri Krsna."

CAN I gET SOME CONFIRMATION AND FACTS TO VALIDATE THAT THE VEDIC SCRIPTURES ARE INDEED THE OLDEST WRITINgS OF THE WORLD? WHERE DID THEY ORIgINATE FROM? HOW PRECISE ARE THEY IN PROPHECY? WHAT'S THEIR FACE VALUE COMPARED TO THE HOLY SCRIPTURES? SO WHAT MAKES YOU ACCEPT THIS BOOK AS BEIN' DELIVERED FROM A SUPREME BEIN' AND SOURCE? HOW MANY AUTHORS AND WRITERS DID IT HAVE? WHAT DOES IT EXPLAIN? SO BELIEVIN' IN THE VEDIC SCRIPTURES NULLIFIES THE BELIEF IN THE BIBLE AND IT'S TEACHINgS? OR HOW DOES IT COINCIDE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The Vedas existed prior to the Torah, Bible and Koran, and explain the science of God."

WHY DOESN'T THE VEDAS TELL YOU TO REFERENCE YOUR CREATOR BY HIS PERSONAL NAME INSTEAD OF THE TITLE "gOD" AS YOU KEEP REFERRIN' TO HIM AS? AND WHAT IS THE SCIENCE OF HIM FROM THE VEDA YOUR PERSPECTIVE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Buddha, Allah, Visnu, YHWH, Narayan etc. are all names of the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna."

HOW IS THAT? THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT'S THERE'S NO OTHA NAME EQUIVALENT OR HIgHER THAN HIS(YHWH). SO IF HE IS THIS SRI KRSNA, THEN WHY DOES THE TORRAH AND gREEK SCRIPTURES DON'T REMOTELY EVEN MENTION AN ALTERNATIVE TO YHWH? DOES KRSNA HAVE THE SAME MEANIN' AS YHWH?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I read the whole site the first time, and will look at it again."

MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT, ESPECIALLY THE SUMMARY PART, MARINATE ON THE INFORMATION AND DIFFERENT PRONUNCIATIONS. IF YOU CAN ORDER THAT BOOK AND PEEP IT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If it is historically and scripturally factual then it is scientific."

IT CAN BE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The science of something means the studied and observed workings and explanations of that certain phenomena, and knowing God's name is the knowing the highest science in all existence."

THAT MAKES SENSE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Heresy and I have gone back and forth enough times, and I have seen that even the two of you disagree on certain points."

YUP, HERESY HAS HIS BELIEFS, AND I HAVE MINE. BUT I'M DOWN TO SEEK TRUTH, AND HE KNOWS THAT. IF SOMEBODY CAN SHOW ME ACTUAL PROOF ON WHAT THEY STRESS AND THE SHIT WORKS LIKE A SCIENCE THEN IT'S WORTH HAVIN' FAITH IN. CONVINCE ME, SWEEP ME OFF MY FEET WITHOUT DOUBT AND MAKE MELOgICALLY BREAK IT ON DOWN AS TRUTH FROM ALL ANgLES TO WHERE NOTHIN' CAN TAKE IT'S INTEgRITY IF QUESTIONED. THE THANg IS, THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE TRUTH. SO WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN IS BASED ON FACTS OR MADE UP MYTHS? CAN YOUR DIVINE BOOK YOU BELIEVE IN AND HAVE FAITH PROVE THAT IT'S NOT JUST MAN-MADE LOgIC USED TO CONTROL MASSES?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If :H: has any insights with regards to the personality of YHWH they would be appreciated."

YUP, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN'.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "But I am not really interested in jumping through hoops and asking the "right" questions to obtain answers."

LOL. THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND HERESY. ACTUALLY I KIND OF LIKE HIS METHOD CAUSE IF YOU INTELLECTUALLY INCLINED, THEN YOU CAN HAVE ALL KIND OF RESOURCES FROM HIM, AND ACTUALLY CHOP IT UP ON ANOTHA LEVEL INSTEAD OF FORCIN' AND ARgUIN' BELIEFS AND PLAYIN' WITH THE WORDIN' OF SENTENCES ALONg WITH SARCASTIC REMARKS.

BTW, WHAT MADE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT (gOD'S) PERSONALITY WHEN WE WERE JUST DISCUSSIN' THE PRONUNCIATION OF YHWH?

KRYPTIC FLOWS AND 2-0-SIXX
YOU CAN MISS ME WITH THEM CHILDISH REMARKS. gROWN HERE MARINATIN' ON SOME KNOWLEDgE AND YAW COME QUOTIN' NEWBIES THAT gOT BANNED WITH CHILDISH REMARKS. SAVE THAT SHIT FOR MCLEAN HATCH. IF YOU gOT INFORMATION TO SHARE CONCERNIN' THE TOPIC THEN PUT UP YOUR FACTS. THAT KIDDY BANTER AIN'T EVEN CALLED FOR. IF YAW THAT MUCH ATHEISTS OR HATE THE DIVINE NAME THAT MUCH MAKE YOUR OWN POST TALKIN' THAT DENOUNCEFUL SHIT. CAUSE THAT SHIT AIN'T COO ON THE RILLA.

Ender · Jul 21, 2003

I think knowledge is just that... knowledge. What you choose to do with that knowledge is gonna be what that knowledge turns out to be. If I were to take knowledge and use it to control the masses, then that's what I'm learning. You see what I'm saying.

Knowledge is what you learn and understand to do. Logic is the tools you use to comprehend and make sense out of the knowledge you gain.

Example:

Knowledge = I understand that there is a number 3.

Logic = To understand the existence of my knowledge of the number 3 I have to add my knowledge of the number 2 with my knowledge of the number 1.

Truth is absolute knowledge.

If my knowledge of the number 1 is not truth, then my numbers 2, 3, and so on will all be a lie. And if I was the one who taught the untruthful number 1 then I would have the ability to decieve and control the ones who believed in my untruthful number 1.

But he who knows all truth is never decieved and neither can he be controlled.

"As with one man sin entereth into the world, so with one man sin leaveth the world" -Jesus

If everybody in the world is lying to you, and you can't tell who they are, then be truth, speak only what you know without a doubt in your heart, and give them a place to start. Birds of a feather flock together.

"10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." -The Bible

EDJ · Jul 22, 2003

^THE THANg IS IF IT'S ACCURATE KNOWLEDgE.

XianeX · Jul 22, 2003

the only person recorded to see YHWH face to face is moses. but I am not sure if yhwh was used in original hebrew

oops heresy beat me to the punch with his link interesting.

XianeX · Jul 22, 2003

OH BOY!!! EDJ maaaaaaaaan let me be the first to tell you NOT to try to makes sense with Vy it elludes him completely!!!! he is the LAST person that you should try to make sense with. you will get sucked into the spin cycle of trying to make him clarify the foolisheness that he just said so that you can understand how to answer him.

if he's trying to equate KRSNA with YHWH his flaw is already evident. NO GOOD CAN COME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION

KRSNA != YHWH
at ALL

there is NOTHING that can reconcile those OBVIOUSLY diverse entities into one by any theistic logic whatsoever.

EDJ · Jul 22, 2003

^I'M gIVIN' HIM A CHANCE TO BAK UP HIS CLAIMS, WHETHER I KNOW WHAT HE STRESSIN' IS FALSE OR WHAT NOT.

Vyasadeva · Jul 22, 2003

Srila Vyasadeva, the literary incarnation of Lord Krsna, is the author of the Vedas. The Vedic scripture is literally tens of millions of verses, all authored by a person who is worshipped by every demigod.

The Vedic sound vibrations vibrate eternally. Mantras are being chanted in all corners of the universe and they are passed down generation to generation. Formerly, man's intelligence and memory were not so degraded, and he could recall and memorize millions of verses without needing them written down. As our capabilities became less and less, Vyasadeva foresaw this and thus composed the massive Vedic scripture.

The epic Mahabharata was compiled by Vyasadeva after the Battle of Kuruksetra and after the death of all the heroes of Mahabharata. It was first spoken in the royal assembly of Maharaja Janamejaya, the son of Maharaja Pariksit. The Bhagavad-Gita is one portion of the Mahabharata.

You really should learn the Buddhist philosophy before you make statements like these.

Lord Buddha's appearance was foretold in the Vedic scripture, and you are correct that he denied the existence of God and denied being God himself.

Buddha appeared during a time when the Vedas were being misused to perform animal sacrifices, and an improper caste system. Buddha rejected everything Vedic except for the notion of karma, and by doing so he was able to attract the atheists and agnostics who did not agree with the ruling class's behavior. Buddha is God giving atheists a person to believe in, and his position is explained in detail in the Vedas.

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.24:

[color=sky blue]"Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist."[/color]

I know that the prophet Mohammed is associated with the original text, although some argue very convincingly that the original source was the voice of God directly which was then scribed into text, and not a concoction of Mohammed. Since I am not a Muslim nor do I profess to have extensive knowledge about Islam, what is your point?

EDJ · Jul 22, 2003

^WHAT HAPPENED TO MY RESPONSES?

Vyasadeva · Jul 22, 2003

They comin homie... I been busy but I got a hot minute I'ma holla.

EDJ · Jul 22, 2003

SO YOU IN INDIA OR JUST gOT INDIAN BLOOD IN YOU?

nefar559 · Jul 22, 2003

Vyasadeva said:

i read it from Huston Smith's book .. look i dont know what hindu/Buddha philosophy are you reading, but Siddhartha Gautama was NEVER GOD. He even said it himself. And only help others how to get to his state, (Buddha) (enlightenment)

Vyasadeva said:

my point? well i had a point, but i cant think of it, to long ago ... lol ... it had sometime to do with your earlier posts.

went something like this. the Qur'an is God's own word, written by the illiterate Mohammed ... why should i believe what you say, if the Qur'an is God's word?

my point went along something like that.

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