problems in the minority communities
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TRAGIC IN ANOTHER THREAD SAID TO ME......
"its that kinda attitude(being born black makes you born with a disadvantage)that holds black people back..."
If someone on this board believes that an African American thinks that he or she can not succeed because they're black has it all wrong. The obstacles an African American have to hurdle are attrociously obsurd. African Americans have to battle the affects of slavery and oppression in there minds with the discrimination they currently face in America, which unfortunatley people like to deny.
I grew up homeless, poor and starving at one time, and my battles I've dealt with still do no compare to that of an African American. I know who I am, I know my history, my great great great grandparents were not whipped and treated like animals, they were not raped, or psychologically abused. What seperates me from an African Americans is that my family came to America willingly on a dream, a dream that I and my family were going to succeed AT ALL COST, even though were to face the same discrimination of an African American because of our skin color.
HERE IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE My family came here mentally ENERGIZED instead of mentally whipped
African Americans came here on a NIGHTMARE. They were packed like sardines on a boat, whipped, mentally and physically tortured and tormented for HUNDREDS OF YEARS, and stripped of there culture. My great great great grandparents were never whipped, tortured, or stripped of there history, so the psychological affects were never passed down to my parents.
Tragic if you read this thread.... in order for a person to have this kind of attitude there would have to be experiences in ones life in order to have this attitude.... During slavery a black person believed that they could not succeed in America, because of the mental and physical torture they faced for hundreds of years. This is one of the experiences a black person has faced in order to come with that attitude you're talking about. After slavery a lot of blacks in America felt that they were equal to whites, however when racist ignorant whites saw this they started to fear the black man in America. What happened because of this? The Jim Crow Law came into affect because of the fear of the black man rising in America.
Ones culture is shaped by there history, what is the African Americans History in this country? They are Africans who were stripped of Africa entirely besides there skin color. There history has been fighting racial oppression in this country which they still do...
Unfortunatley some white people are affraid of helping correcting the past, to make it better in the present day for minorities.
Lastly when a African American woman or man succeeds in this country in my opinion it is easily one of the greatest accomplishment that could ever be achieved in this country. After all those years of torture and psychological abuse, and the current racism, discrimination a black person faces currently it's simply the best.
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damn sometimes impress myself with what I write.....lol
"its that kinda attitude(being born black makes you born with a disadvantage)that holds black people back..."
If someone on this board believes that an African American thinks that he or she can not succeed because they're black has it all wrong. The obstacles an African American have to hurdle are attrociously obsurd. African Americans have to battle the affects of slavery and oppression in there minds with the discrimination they currently face in America, which unfortunatley people like to deny.
I grew up homeless, poor and starving at one time, and my battles I've dealt with still do no compare to that of an African American. I know who I am, I know my history, my great great great grandparents were not whipped and treated like animals, they were not raped, or psychologically abused. What seperates me from an African Americans is that my family came to America willingly on a dream, a dream that I and my family were going to succeed AT ALL COST, even though were to face the same discrimination of an African American because of our skin color.
HERE IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE My family came here mentally ENERGIZED instead of mentally whipped
African Americans came here on a NIGHTMARE. They were packed like sardines on a boat, whipped, mentally and physically tortured and tormented for HUNDREDS OF YEARS, and stripped of there culture. My great great great grandparents were never whipped, tortured, or stripped of there history, so the psychological affects were never passed down to my parents.
Tragic if you read this thread.... in order for a person to have this kind of attitude there would have to be experiences in ones life in order to have this attitude.... During slavery a black person believed that they could not succeed in America, because of the mental and physical torture they faced for hundreds of years. This is one of the experiences a black person has faced in order to come with that attitude you're talking about. After slavery a lot of blacks in America felt that they were equal to whites, however when racist ignorant whites saw this they started to fear the black man in America. What happened because of this? The Jim Crow Law came into affect because of the fear of the black man rising in America.
Ones culture is shaped by there history, what is the African Americans History in this country? They are Africans who were stripped of Africa entirely besides there skin color. There history has been fighting racial oppression in this country which they still do...
Unfortunatley some white people are affraid of helping correcting the past, to make it better in the present day for minorities.
Lastly when a African American woman or man succeeds in this country in my opinion it is easily one of the greatest accomplishment that could ever be achieved in this country. After all those years of torture and psychological abuse, and the current racism, discrimination a black person faces currently it's simply the best.
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damn sometimes impress myself with what I write.....lol
tenk, are you willing to say that the attitude tragic was referring to has no negative affect on the black community? if not it must be positive or neutral. im not gonna say it holds all blacks back but there is a large number that will never get anywhere just because thats how they feel. not because a white man had their foot on them.
I actually agree with you on this one Phil. There are a lot of blacks who hold that attitude when they simply have no business holding it. This is the group of blacks who have been fortunate enough to grow up outside of the poverty stricken areas that most black neighborhoods are...but they still use the race card as as an excuse for irresponsibility, laziness, or other things. This shit pisses me off because it totally downplays the issue of black people who REALLY ARE struggling because of the effects of our country's racist history. Theres blacks that grow up in the suburbs and have access to good education and everything...but they sit on their ass and do nothing while they whine about how the white man is holding them down...or they do half ass work in school and blame their bad grades on racism. These people are traitors to the advancement of blacks in America...because this attitude downplays the real race issues of our society.
Phil, where in my post did I say that feeling like you were held down because you're black had no affect on the black community? IT HAS A NEGATIVE AFFECT ON THE BLACK COMMUNITY. If you'd recall in my post that I said African Americans did not create that mentality by themselves. It was inflicted by racist, scared and ignorant whites who were intimidated by blacks. That is why slave masters were affraid of blacks reading, because there scared, that is why the Jim Crow Law came into affect, thats because they were scared. They needed something to feel better than blacks. I also mentioned that the African American people were a mentally whipped group of people.
Even though I am African and black, you nor I may never fully understand what it is like to be an African American in this country, a place where they're suppose to call home. If this country is suppose to be there home it is one uncomfortable ass home....lol!!
Some people tell African Americans that mention the inequalities in this country to "Go back to Africa"....A place that they once knew, but is now a stranger to them. For the most part African Americans can not even trace back there roots in Africa, losing apart of themselves. I can trace back my roots down to as far as I want....
You and I could say "Well you could never go anywhere if you believe that, your being held back". Remember Phil, we are looking at it from an outsiders perspective. Our minds have not mentally tapped into an African American psychy. However we could read books by intelligent African American Men to understand what is going on in the community from there perspective, and what we need to do to be apart of that solution. If we turn our backs from it we are just as much the contributors indirectly to there pain and suffering instead of being part of the solution.
I think the problem is that people do not understand the severity of slavery and the post-slavery oppression has had on the African American Community. If my people were stripped of ones culture, enslaved, oppressed, raped, you better believe I would feel like shit in this country. 200 + years of torture, and 70 + years of the Jim crow law MAN IT'S impossible to fully understand. Because of the psychological affects of slavery on enslaved Africans, we have light skinned blacks whether they are from Jamaica, Barbados or here in America that believe that there better than dark skinned blacks. We have blacks in America or even in Jamaica trying to bleach there skin to be as light as possible. These are the fraction of the damages slavery has had on blacks today and of course in the past.
Be apart of the solution and don't turn your back....
Even though I am African and black, you nor I may never fully understand what it is like to be an African American in this country, a place where they're suppose to call home. If this country is suppose to be there home it is one uncomfortable ass home....lol!!
Some people tell African Americans that mention the inequalities in this country to "Go back to Africa"....A place that they once knew, but is now a stranger to them. For the most part African Americans can not even trace back there roots in Africa, losing apart of themselves. I can trace back my roots down to as far as I want....
You and I could say "Well you could never go anywhere if you believe that, your being held back". Remember Phil, we are looking at it from an outsiders perspective. Our minds have not mentally tapped into an African American psychy. However we could read books by intelligent African American Men to understand what is going on in the community from there perspective, and what we need to do to be apart of that solution. If we turn our backs from it we are just as much the contributors indirectly to there pain and suffering instead of being part of the solution.
I think the problem is that people do not understand the severity of slavery and the post-slavery oppression has had on the African American Community. If my people were stripped of ones culture, enslaved, oppressed, raped, you better believe I would feel like shit in this country. 200 + years of torture, and 70 + years of the Jim crow law MAN IT'S impossible to fully understand. Because of the psychological affects of slavery on enslaved Africans, we have light skinned blacks whether they are from Jamaica, Barbados or here in America that believe that there better than dark skinned blacks. We have blacks in America or even in Jamaica trying to bleach there skin to be as light as possible. These are the fraction of the damages slavery has had on blacks today and of course in the past.
Be apart of the solution and don't turn your back....
My family is from Ghana, West Africa. That country is not an easy place to make it in. Most of my family members have degrees in law, medicine, business and can not find a job in that country so they live at home even though they are 25-40 years old.
My dad was homeless for a good 3 years in his adulthood. He left our town Koforidua when he was 18 to go to the main capital Accra with nothing but the clothes on his back. He slept on a sidewalk for a good year until he found a job as a teacher. He was still homeless for another 3 months because his income was very little. When he got up and running as a teacher he wanted better. Germany's population wasn't very big in the late 70's and they were allowing minorities to flood into there country. My dad, my mom, and a few of there friends made there way to Germany with little but a dream. My older brother was left in Ghana when he was a child because my parents knew they were going to be homeless. My parents said that when they arrived in Germany the slept at a dock for a few months begged for food and made it that way for awhile until they all landed decent jobs scrubbing floors and washing dishes at a restaurant. They rented an apartment and they had me...but things went wrong with that restaurant and they got laid off from that job putting them and now me ohh yeah and my older brother (Ooops) on the streets. We were on the streets quite a few times when I was young...And this was the coldest part of Germany, Hamburg... Ohh well we made our way to America. To make a long story short, my dad and mom went to college and now my dad is the head nurse at his hospitality. My mom is also very successful....I'm very proud of them both.....
This is what coming on a dream can do to one person.....
You do not give up in life, your mentally energized and not whipped.
We did not come to America with distrust for white America. Even though my parents battled through countless discrimination and racism they still held onto there dream...
My dad was homeless for a good 3 years in his adulthood. He left our town Koforidua when he was 18 to go to the main capital Accra with nothing but the clothes on his back. He slept on a sidewalk for a good year until he found a job as a teacher. He was still homeless for another 3 months because his income was very little. When he got up and running as a teacher he wanted better. Germany's population wasn't very big in the late 70's and they were allowing minorities to flood into there country. My dad, my mom, and a few of there friends made there way to Germany with little but a dream. My older brother was left in Ghana when he was a child because my parents knew they were going to be homeless. My parents said that when they arrived in Germany the slept at a dock for a few months begged for food and made it that way for awhile until they all landed decent jobs scrubbing floors and washing dishes at a restaurant. They rented an apartment and they had me...but things went wrong with that restaurant and they got laid off from that job putting them and now me ohh yeah and my older brother (Ooops) on the streets. We were on the streets quite a few times when I was young...And this was the coldest part of Germany, Hamburg... Ohh well we made our way to America. To make a long story short, my dad and mom went to college and now my dad is the head nurse at his hospitality. My mom is also very successful....I'm very proud of them both.....
This is what coming on a dream can do to one person.....
You do not give up in life, your mentally energized and not whipped.
We did not come to America with distrust for white America. Even though my parents battled through countless discrimination and racism they still held onto there dream...
The funny thing about you is that when I tie in slavery and the Jim Crow Law to black problems you don't seem to have an answer for it...To me it seems like you don't believe that the psychological abuse African Americans suffered from whites did not affect them. So I guess you do not agree with those points I made in this thread....Am I correct? If so why? African American problems is not a one way street....
yes. and instead of doing that, they should be taking every advantage they have to pull the less fortunate out of the bottom. nice to see some of us can agree on at least a few issues.
this is one of my bigger issues with the people like jesse jackson or al sharpton who wouldnt dare allow those words to come out of their mouth. their jobs are subsidized by minorities plight.
@tenk i responded in the affirmative discrimination thread.
this is one of my bigger issues with the people like jesse jackson or al sharpton who wouldnt dare allow those words to come out of their mouth. their jobs are subsidized by minorities plight.
@tenk i responded in the affirmative discrimination thread.
what can i say about it other then it was very bad and has ruined several generations of blacks. the thing is and i dont mean to belittle the negative effect that slavery had on blacks but slavery ended 150 years ago. how long is that going to be an excuse for black people??
things are alote better today then in the past, i mean i admit that there still is racism and prejudice but things are good enough now that any1 can suceed if they only try hard enough.
things are alote better today then in the past, i mean i admit that there still is racism and prejudice but things are good enough now that any1 can suceed if they only try hard enough.
Yeah you are belittling blacks,
just for the fact that blacks are willing to acknowledge that they are responsible for there action. There isn't a brotha I know that will shoot somebody up and blame the white man for it, they may blame the white man for the situations and hardship there in but not the actions they committed. What do you think the million man march was all about? It was about blacks addressing blacks issues and taking responsibilty for what is going on in the black community. However there are people that are trying to act like there wasn't a psychological affects of slavery and the Jim Crow Law on the black mentality, it's not that it's an excuse, it's pretty damn evident in the rap music we listen to, it's evident when light skinned blacks are dissing the dark skin blacks....It's present, not an excuse....
So like I was saying, black problems are not just a problem on blacks soley. If you're willing to turn your backs on black problems and say "they did it to themselves" then you have history all screwed up...
Because of the Jim Crow Law and slavery blacks have been set back for 350+ years in America from where they should be...It's time for them to catch up, however catching up isn't going to happen if your not going to boost them up to equality status. If you're to say "Slavery and Jim Crow Law is over we are now equal, go out and better yourself" it is not going to happen like that....One group is ahead 300 years and another group is behind 300 years, there problems that they face are that of the past, the situations there in is that of the past....
just for the fact that blacks are willing to acknowledge that they are responsible for there action. There isn't a brotha I know that will shoot somebody up and blame the white man for it, they may blame the white man for the situations and hardship there in but not the actions they committed. What do you think the million man march was all about? It was about blacks addressing blacks issues and taking responsibilty for what is going on in the black community. However there are people that are trying to act like there wasn't a psychological affects of slavery and the Jim Crow Law on the black mentality, it's not that it's an excuse, it's pretty damn evident in the rap music we listen to, it's evident when light skinned blacks are dissing the dark skin blacks....It's present, not an excuse....
So like I was saying, black problems are not just a problem on blacks soley. If you're willing to turn your backs on black problems and say "they did it to themselves" then you have history all screwed up...
Because of the Jim Crow Law and slavery blacks have been set back for 350+ years in America from where they should be...It's time for them to catch up, however catching up isn't going to happen if your not going to boost them up to equality status. If you're to say "Slavery and Jim Crow Law is over we are now equal, go out and better yourself" it is not going to happen like that....One group is ahead 300 years and another group is behind 300 years, there problems that they face are that of the past, the situations there in is that of the past....