Pres. Bush on Arabic T.V responding to recent inhumane acts

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Bush calls Iraq abuse 'abhorrent'

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President George W Bush has denounced the mistreatment of Iraqi inmates by US soldiers as "abhorrent".

But, in an interview with a US-funded Arabic TV channel, he insisted that the abuse was not typical and that those responsible would be punished

But, in an interview with a US-funded Arabic TV channel, he insisted that the abuse was not typical and that those responsible would be punished.

Earlier, the new US military chief of prisons in Iraq apologised for the "illegal or unauthorised" actions.

Photographs of naked Iraqi prisoners in humiliating poses next to laughing US soldiers have shocked the world.

'Not American'

President Bush told the al-Hurra network: "People in Iraq must understand that I view those practices as abhorrent.

They must also understand that what took place in that prison does not represent the America that I know."

He said that, in democracies, mistakes were made but rejected comparisons of the US treatment of prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison to the practices under the Saddam Hussein regime during which time the jail became notorious for the torture carried out there.

"There will be investigations, people will be brought to justice," he said.

The president revealed that the first time he saw the photographs of the abuse was when they appeared on US television late last month.

But he said US government officials had been investigating allegations of mistreatment since they were first made in January.

He said he had full confidence in the ability of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and military chiefs to "find the truth".

No apology

President Bush, who is also to be interviewed on the al-Arabiya satellite channel, said that the US was not seeking to impose double standards - criticising other countries for human rights abuses while its troops mistreated prisoners in military jails.

"We will do to ourselves what we expect of others," he said.

President Bush was not asked to apologise during the 10-minute interview for the al-Hurra network.

His National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice earlier expressed "the United States' deep sorrow over the US troops' abuses against the Iraqi prisoners".

An internal Pentagon report catalogued evidence of "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses of Iraqi prisoners".

Another graphic photograph apparently of a dead Iraqi man in plastic wrap at the Abu Ghraib prison has also been published by US media.

US military officials say there have been 25 deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan since December 2002, two of which have been classified as murder.

Major General Geoffrey Miller, the new US military chief of prisons in Iraq, said some interrogation techniques of Iraqi inmates would be halted and others toned down as a result of the scandal.

He led journalists on a tour of the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad which is at the heart of the new allegations.

"I would like to apologise for our nation and for our military for the small number of soldiers who committed illegal or unauthorised acts here," said Gen Miller, who was previously in charge of the US military detention centre for terror suspects in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

I personally guarantee that this will not happen again."

As well as the photos showing naked inmates in humiliating poses and being subjected to psychological pressure, some Iraqi prisoners have also claimed they were beaten and stripped by US soldiers.

They spoke of getting limited water, being kept outdoors or put in positions where the body will undergo stress, such as being ordered to stand still for extended periods or keep arms above their head.

Male and female detainees cried out to the journalists shown round Abu Ghraib but interviews were not permitted.

Outside the prison, several hundred people protested and chanted anti-American slogans.

Gen Miller said interrogation techniques such as sleep deprivation could now not be used without the permission of a senior officer.

Putting hoods over prisoners' heads was also now banned, he said.

But he was unapologetic about the use of tough interrogation tactics.

Interrogators are allowed to use "interrogation techniques that increase anxiety," he told journalists.

"There is aggressive conversation but we do not threaten... there is no physical contact between the detainees authorised and the interrogator. We do not use stress positions."

US defence officials say a number of investigations are ongoing into the allegations of abuse.

Criminal charges have been filed against six soldiers, while six senior officers have been reprimanded.
 
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Just out of curiosity, have any of these soldiers been identified?


*random thoughts*

Those uniforms and weaponry just look awful. Is it possible for one [group] to frame a country. Hmmm. A free thinker absolutely must accept this as a possibility. How did these pictures fall into the hands of the media. One must be at least half homosexual to stack naked Iraqi's on top of each other. Why does the world care so much about one incident as opposed to mass grave sites full of tortured victims. Why do people say America did this... it looks like a couple of soldiers did.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Why does the world care so much about one incident as opposed to mass grave sites full of tortured victims. Why do people say America did this...
because one of Bush's main EXCUSE for going to war with Iraq was that Iraqis were being tortured and abused by Saddaam, while in these pictures it appears that Iraqis are being tortured and abused by americans
 
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Some accused claim they acted on the orders of military intelligence and the CIA, and that some of the torture sessions were under the control of mercenaries hired by the US to conduct interrogations. Two “civilian contract” organisations taking part in interrogations at Abu Ghraib are linked to the Bush administration.

California-based Titan Corporation says it is “a leading provider of solutions and services for national security”. Between 2003-04, it gave nearly $40,000 to George W Bush’s Republican Party. Titan supplied translators to the military.

CACI International Inc. describes its aim as helping “America’s intelligence community in the war on terrorism”. Richard Armitage, the current deputy US secretary of state, sat on CACI’s board.

No civilians, however, are facing charges as military law does not apply to them. Colonel Jill Morgenthaler, from CentCom, said that one civilian contractor was accused along with six soldiers of mistreating prisoners. However, it was left to the contractor to “deal with him”. One civilian interrogator told army investigators that he had “unintentionally” broken several tables during interrogations as he was trying to “fear-up” detainees.

Lawyers for some accused say their clients are scapegoats for a rogue prison system, which allowed mercenaries to give orders to serving soldiers. A military report said private contractors were at times supervising the interrogations.

http://www.sundayherald.com/41693

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz at Abu Ghraib:




http://www.arena.org.nz/iraqivc6.htm

Baghdad, July 20: Amnesty International accused US troops on Sunday of "very severe" human rights abuses in Iraq and complained that it had been denied access to thousands of prisoners held without charge in "appalling" conditions.

...The US military authorities have repeatedly turned down Amnesty's requests for access to those jails, Licea said. Some Iraqis are being held by the Americans at the Abu Ghraib complex near Baghdad, one of the most feared prisons under Saddam. Today it is heavily guarded by US troops.

US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz visited Abu Ghraib prison on Sunday as part of a five-day tour of Iraq.
 
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Notice how they've changed the wording from "torture" to "abuse." Those pictures that I saw were definitely not just abuse. Another thing that gets at me is that this is just one incident that has become public and it only became public cause those photos leaked out. This type of shit probably happens everyday to innocent Iraqis. I don't remember who said it but I think this quote goes well, "if you call this freedom, I don't want to be free."
iT IS abuse DUMBFUCK! How is it torture? How can you be so twisted in your thinking to even begin to relate the morality of an American versus the animals that are there. THEY HUMILIATED THEM THATS IT! The same thing that happened to you throughout high school, maybe thats why your so sensitive....

Here are the faces of the REAL EVIL if your brain would dare to venture outside your bitterness against success. This is the carcas of a red blooded American contractor who in order to support his family left the COMFORT AND STABILITY of America to HELP rebuild the infrastructure for the Iraqi people.... this is how his efforts and those with him were thanked by these "wonderful examples of humanity that we should be looking up.

Isnt it great that these morally superior beings even took the time to poke the body, drag it along the street behind a car, stomp and kick it, and even hang it upside down from a bridge while cheering and laughing. What a great people they are. What an EVIL and DEMONIC people we are.

Until the day comes when this happens in AMERICA, SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

YOU ACT LIKE WE HAVE TO BE THERE RIGHT NOW! WE ARE THERE FOR ONE REASON ONLY, TO GIVE THE IRAQI PEOPLE A DEMOCRACY AND REBUILD WHAT WAS BROKEN AND EVEN IMPROVE WHAT ISN'T. HOW CAN YOU NOT SUPPORT THAT??? IF WE WERE REALLY SO "EVIL" WE COULD OF NUKED THEM TO BEGIN WITH. PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING US FOR HELPING THEM. CHARGE UP YOUR BRAIN CELLS AND DWELL ON IT.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Just out of curiosity, have any of these soldiers been identified?


*random thoughts*

Those uniforms and weaponry just look awful. Is it possible for one [group] to frame a country. Hmmm. A free thinker absolutely must accept this as a possibility. How did these pictures fall into the hands of the media. One must be at least half homosexual to stack naked Iraqi's on top of each other. Why does the world care so much about one incident as opposed to mass grave sites full of tortured victims. Why do people say America did this... it looks like a couple of soldiers did.
You got the story right man. The AMERICA haters across the middle east and within hit a jackpot when these pictures came out. It's nothing but propaganda, "see i told you so" type of shit. It just goes to show how powerful the media can be in displaying one incident and it blowing up to be suddenly everyone is toruring people. What you saw in your mind is your interpretation from the viewpoint of someone who believes that the average American is a fair minded compassionate person who wants to see good and people suceed. Then theres the other people who already have hatred in their blood for America who see the same image and it works to "concrete" their previously psychotic thought that America is nothing but evil LOL
 

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because one of Bush's main EXCUSE for going to war with Iraq was that Iraqis were being tortured and abused by Saddaam, while in these pictures it appears that Iraqis are being tortured and abused by americans

I thought you knew, that's the American way! "Do as we say, not as we do" should be our countries motto...
 
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Frat boy fun: (via Talkingpointsmemo.com) One of the men in the infamous Abu Ghraib human pyramid photos talked to reporters this week. He told them he'd rather be dead, and needed to leave Iraq. It's hard for Americans to grasp what it means for an Arab man to be humiliated like that.

Here's what the voice of the ditto-nation, Rush Limbaugh, had to say...

"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You of heard of need to blow some steam off?"

He then added, "These people are the enemy!"

RUSH NEEDS TO DIE
 
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thapro said:
Good point there. So I guess blaming and going to war against the entire Muslim world because one group of people attacked the World Trade Center doesn't make much sense either then.
We would have to actually be at war with the "Muslim world" in order for me to accuratley answer that question, and I have seen no evidence of that. I can tell you there is a slight difference between whats seen in these pictures and the 3,000 civilians that were crushed and burned to death in the WTC towers. Have you seen a single casualty as a result of these terrifying uninhibited acts of torture? This is the same type of shit that goes down in our own penitentiaries. So no, it's not the same.

559_Soldado said:
because one of Bush's main EXCUSE for going to war with Iraq was that Iraqis were being tortured and abused by Saddaam, while in these pictures it appears that Iraqis are being tortured and abused by americans
Saddam torture consisted of electro shock, rape, limb chopping, killing family members, and acid baths. These soldiers used quite similar apporaches as they stacked Iraqi's and made them sit on one another naked. Oh man, the brutality. And who the fuck is that little girl in these images, give me a fucking break.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Saddam torture consisted of electro shock, rape, limb chopping, killing family members, and acid baths. These soldiers used quite similar apporaches as they stacked Iraqi's and made them sit on one another naked. Oh man, the brutality. And who the fuck is that little girl in these images, give me a fucking break.
Saddam used torture. SADDAM. Don’t you see how much of a hypocrite you're being?

Keep in mind that these are really the only pictures for the public to see. Why? Because these people are so fucking stupid that they actually took pictures of their crimes. There have been plenty of reports of much worse atrocities being committed by U.S/British forces, including rape and murder.
 
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Saddam used torture. SADDAM. Don’t you see how much of a hypocrite you're being?
No I don't see it. Why don't you tell me. And yes, Saddam himself was involved in torture and murder, with his own hands. I'm not condoning what these soldiers did. I'm still trying to figure out if this shit is even real (anti-Americans immediatley had no problem seeing this as fact), and I'm questioning peoples quick judgment on the subject matter. I am no more of a hypocrite then a person jumping all over this story, but remaining silent about Saddam's own torture.

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Keep in mind that these are really the only pictures for the public to see. Why? Because these people are so fucking stupid that they actually took pictures of their crimes. There have been plenty of reports of much worse atrocities being committed by U.S/British forces, including rape and murder.
Thats the thing, why did they take these pictures, and more importantly, how did they end up in the media's hands.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Saddam torture consisted of electro shock, rape, limb chopping, killing family members, and acid baths. These soldiers used quite similar apporaches as they stacked Iraqi's and made them sit on one another naked. Oh man, the brutality. And who the fuck is that little girl in these images, give me a fucking break.
But the fact is these soldiers are doing the complete opposite of what they are supposed to do. They went there to "liberate the oppressed", but from the eyes of an iraqi it would look like they are being oppressed all over again
 
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But the fact is these soldiers are doing the complete opposite of what they are supposed to do. They went there to "liberate the oppressed", but from the eyes of an iraqi it would look like they are being oppressed all over again
And I agree. These soldiers should face criminal charges, maybe even in Iraqi. So far 6 soldiers have been reprimanded and charges have been placed on 6 others. Numerous politicians have also called for Rumsfield's resignation, CNN reports. I guess.. not every American soldier is a hero.
 

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the calls for rumsfeld to retire are fucking laughable.

also 206, you forgot to mention that when the prisoner stated he wanted to leave iraq he said he would want to move to america. imagine that.