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Im posting this because I was zapped by the r.p.p.d. in '02 by pigs and remember how disturbed I was by that. After wards they kicked me a bunch and stuff just did me dirty but I was more angry about the fuckin tazer. I was running from them for felony warrants. I was scared when I looked back and seen a red laser and a pistol grip in his hand. It was a taser but upon impact I thought he blasted me. Heres the article out of todays Santa Rosa Press Democrat. Damn this is a long one.

Police Tasers
Is a 50,000-volt shock too much?
Sunday, March 6, 2005

By DEREK J. MOORE
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT


ABOUT TASERS
What they look like: The newer X26 Taser model is yellow and weighs 7 ounces. It is made of heavy-duty polymer.

How they work: They use compressed nitrogen gas to propel copper wires capped with two metal electrodes which pierce the skin and transmit 50,000 volts of electricity. They can paralyze people for five seconds or more. The probes can reach 25 feet.

How they feel: "If you can imagine an 18-wheel truck driving over your leg -- it is the most pain I have ever felt in my life."
--Sgt. John Marty, Taser instructor for Rohnert Park police

When two Santa Rosa police officers arrived at a Fistor Drive home on Feb. 3, they found Anthony Ferrel in a shed sharpening the blade on a long knife.

What provoked police to act in the next chaotic moments is disputed. But the action they took is not. Officers shot Ferrel, 46, and his 15-year-old son, with electric stun guns known as Tasers before arresting them.

The Maria Carrillo High School sophomore was struck twice: once by electrified probes fired at close range from the 50,000-volt, pistol-like weapon, and again when the officer placed the Taser's muzzle directly on the boy's chest, causing him to collapse to the floor.

One of the metal probes, with a quarter-inch fishhook attached to it, penetrated the back of the boy's head and was removed at a hospital, police said.

Taser use is increasingly common in Sonoma County, where most law enforcement agencies are buying dozens of the small stun guns and urging officers to use them before resorting to batons and other weapons.

Tasers "are preventing injuries to both suspects and police," Sheriff Bill Cogbill said. "We're noticing a reduction in injuries because you're not having to go toe-to-toe with these people."

But Amnesty International and other critics say more than 70 people have died in the United States and Canada after being hit by stun guns since 2001. They've called for an immediate moratorium pending safety studies and adoption of national standards, including rules for using Tasers on juveniles.

In Northern California, seven people have died since August after they were hit by Tasers, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

Taser International, the Arizona company that manufactures the M26 and X26 models used by an estimated 5,000 police agencies nationwide, says all of the deaths were the result of drug overdoses, existing heart conditions or other factors, including exertion from running from the police.

Numerous lawsuits are pending against the company, including one filed Monday by the family of a Vallejo man who died after he was repeatedly shocked with a Taser. It accuses Taser International of knowingly marketing a dangerously defective weapon as safe and "nonlethal."

Salinas police also are under scrutiny after a 40-year-old man died Feb. 20 after being shocked up to 10 times. The police department says autopsy results will show he succumbed to drug-related delirium.

Despite the controversy, many North Coast law enforcement agencies are pushing ahead with plans to buy Tasers.

In Mendocino County, Sheriff Tony Craver plans to meet with Taser International representatives this week in Ukiah to discuss purchasing up to $70,000 worth of Tasers, about 87 weapons to equip every deputy.

In Sonoma County, where the Sheriff's Department has 27 Tasers and 50 more on order, Cogbill said the current controversy is being fueled by "special interest" groups such as Amnesty International and that medical evidence proves the weapons are safe.

Ed Flint, Santa Rosa's police chief, also is a strong supporter of Tasers, and oversaw the purchase of an additional 32 of the weapons in December, bringing the total number to 98 for use by patrol and traffic officers.

Flint acknowledged that Tasers could "aggravate" an existing health problem in a person and cause injury. "But," he added, "we could sit on somebody to bring them under control or use an impact weapon on them, or we could use pepper spray, and perhaps have a reaction or issue."

Police credit use of the Taser for averting what they said could have been a deadly encounter in the Feb. 3 melee at the Fistor Drive home.

Anthony Ferrel, who was shocked several times with a Taser before being arrested, faces two misdemeanor charges, for resisting arrest and for assaulting an officer.

Officers "definitely had the option to use deadly force and chose not to," said Lt. Brian Davis, who reviewed the incident. "They chose instead to put themselves in a confrontation with someone who had a knife. They used all the tools available to them to stop the combative person from resisting and took him into custody appropriately."

But the Ferrel family claims police used excessive force and have contacted an attorney.

"He's really traumatized by it," Evelyn Ferrel said of her 15-year-old son. "We're trying not to talk about it too much. That's why he's going through counseling for it."

The growing reliance on Tasers among Sonoma County law enforcement agencies as a "less-than-lethal" alternative to guns and other weapons comes at a time when they are under increased scrutiny nationwide.

Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, introduced legislation two weeks ago to require California law enforcement agencies to track Taser use, establish a state medical research program and ban Taser sales to private citizens.

At the same time, experts sat down for a two-day forum in Arlington, Va., to discuss the medical, technological, safety and policy issues surrounding Tasers. And the International Association of Chiefs of Police is working on a briefing paper detailing strategies for Taser use.

Public outcry over a 6-year-old being hit with Taser darts when he refused to drop a piece of glass led Florida's Miami-Dade County Police Department to rewrite its policy to include more exact language on when to use the weapons.

Chicago's Police Department shelved plans to purchase 100 more Tasers after a 54-year-old man died and a 14-year-old boy went into cardiac arrest after being hit by the darts three weeks ago.

Variety of uses
In Sonoma County, recent cases involving Tasers demonstrate their wide use in a variety of situations - from a suicidal man to a foot pursuit that ultimately resulted in deadly force.

Sheriff's deputies used a Taser on Feb. 21 to stop a man who had barricaded himself in his room after consuming large amounts of vodka and was threatening suicide with a butcher knife, according to a sheriff's report.

Deputies shot the man with Taser probes after he raised the knife above his head and threatened to plunge the blade into his stomach. The electric current caused the man to roll onto his back, allowing deputies to yank the knife away and take him into custody, the report stated.

In another high-profile incident, a Rohnert Park police officer used his pistol to shoot and kill an armed man Jan. 28 after firing his Taser at the fleeing suspect. It's unclear if the probes struck the man or missed, police said.

Police say many suspects will give up at seeing the red laser dot emitted by the Taser on their body or when the trigger is pulled in the "touch" mode, which illuminates the arcing currents and makes a loud noise.

Amnesty International says police agencies are sometimes too quick to use Tasers and has documented cases in which the weapons were used to get people into police cars faster or speed up the booking process.
 
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In one instance witnessed by reporters Tuesday in Old Courthouse Square, a Santa Rosa police officer activated his Taser in a confrontation with a man who already was handcuffed and seated in a police car.

The man, who wore Army fatigues, had been taken into custody after allegedly telling people that he wanted a gun to shoot firefighters.

Seated inside the car, the man continued to struggle, kicking at the door with his feet. One of the officers, after telling the man to "shut up," unholstered his Taser and pulled the trigger, illuminating the electrical currents.

The man continued to struggle, rocking the car with his body even after the officers shut the doors and drove away. He was taken to county mental health, police said.

Sgt. Clay Van Artsdalen, who oversees Taser training for the department, said the officers followed policy.

"I think the officer was thinking, 'I've got to get this guy to calm down and quit kicking the door,'" Van Artsdalen said.

ACLU criticism
With increased Taser use, Steve Fabian, a county public defender and chairman of the Sonoma County chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said a death or serious injury could happen here.

"One day they're going to pick a person with a bad heart or who's under the influence of drugs and it's going to have tragic effects," Fabian said. "Knowing that risk is there, it's important to have a real good protocol when these weapons are used."

He said Tasers should be classified as deadly weapons and used only in situations where a person's life is in immediate danger - not to subdue uncooperative suspects, as is the practice in many cases.

The local chapter of the ACLU is asking law enforcement agencies to document and review every Taser use - which some already do - and make that information available to the public. Fabian said the organization isn't asking for a moratorium or an outright ban, however, as some human-rights organizations have proposed.

"A Taser would obviously be preferable to use versus a gun, but it's just very important how they're used," Fabian said. "Their use should be restricted to when they (police) would otherwise be authorized to use a deadly weapon."

Some law enforcement officials see hypocrisy in calls to ban or restrict Tasers, saying the calls are coming from some of the same groups that encouraged departments to find alternatives to lethal force.

Following a spate of shootings in the 1990s, many Sonoma County police agencies bought beanbag shotguns and Tasers and added training courses focused on how to deal with emotionally disturbed or mentally ill people.

Santa Rosa and Santa Rosa Junior College police added Tasers to their arsenals after three officers shot and killed Todd Dieterle in May 2000 after he robbed a market with what turned out to be a toy gun.

Option to lethal force
Officials now are having to defend the use of these less-than-lethal options.

"You have people being sued for a beanbag," said Terry Stewart, the college's police chief. "It really boils down to having another tool that hopefully will prevent people from getting killed."

In Sonoma County, law enforcement agencies don't have standard guidelines governing Tasers. Most closely follow training guidelines recommended by Taser International. But departments are free to tailor these recommendations as they see fit.

Sonoma County sheriff's deputies, for instance, are taught that Tasers shouldn't be used on juveniles, pregnant women and the elderly except in extreme situations, Sheriff's Lt. Roger Rude said.

Santa Rosa police, on the other hand, don't have such specific instructions, Van Artsdalen said.

"We teach them to use their best judgment," he said.

The policy manual for police refers to Tasers as "medium level" force options alongside such other weapons as pepper spray or batons. The sheriff's manual notes that the Taser "is considered to be a force similar to that of pepper spray, yet less than that of a baton strike."

In general, officers and deputies can use "reasonable force" - which includes a Taser - to take a person into custody so long as that force can be justified.

One misconception, Rude said, is that deputies must exhaust one force option before going to another.

"It's not that you have to climb this ladder, that you first have to yell, then use your hand, then use pepper spray. ... You can go from point A to Z in a heartbeat," he said.

He said that if Tasers were re-classified as deadly weapons and their use restricted, the potential for problems would increase.

"I can safely say we'd have more complaints, we'd have more lawsuits, we'd have more officers injured in the line of duty and we'd have more suspects seriously injured," he said. "I can take you into custody with a baton or a Taser. The next day you'd much prefer me to take you into custody with a Taser."
 

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Dog I had just gotten done reading this when I saw yer post...

Wanna hear the fucked up part?

They talk about when they killed Young Grinn...In the first news story after he was shot they said they tazed him and he tore out the prongs an kept runnin...

Now in THIS story it says it's unclear whether or not the tazer hit him or missed....

There were no tazer marks found during his autopsy....Somethin smells funny....
 
May 16, 2004
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exactly. Im friends with ray and he knows a little more than that newspaper article told me. When I was hit with that thing it left a nasty mark on my back for 6 months.
 
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The other kid of Pigs & tasers

Study to Test Tasers on Anesthetized Pigs
Wisconsin Ag Connection - 02/24/2005
http://www.wisconsinagconnection.com/story-state.cfm?Id=251&yr=2005

A University of Wisconsin-Madison researcher wants to find out if electric shock from Taser stun guns causes heart attacks, or if something else is to blame for the more than 70 deaths Amnesty International reported from the devices over the last three years in the U.S. and Canada.

To find out if Tasers are the sole cause of fatalities in people shocked by the stun guns, researchers will study their effect on pigs. The pigs will get anesthesia beforehand. Similar tests were done by the Arizona company Taser International, but UW biomedical engineer John Webster says he wants to do an independent study to see if Tasers are a deadly weapon, or as many police claim, a safer alternative than guns or physical contact with a suspect. He says if the results of the tests show that the Taser does not electrocute the heart, then the natural question is why have so many people died after being hit by the device.

Webster says that drugs, not the 50,000-volt electrical shock from Tasers may be causing heart failure in suspects who've been shot with the gun's darts. To test the hypothesis, UW researchers will compare three groups of anesthetized pigs. One will be given cocaine; the other shocked with Tasers; the third will get drugs and shocks.

The U.S. Justice Department is funding the study.
 
May 16, 2004
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strange thing in the first article is a sonoma county paper stated that 20 out of the 70 fatalities occured in sonoma county. The other 50 happened accross america and canada during a however many year period. Either that statement is completely false or sonoma county pigs are an evil breed of scum. I think that its not true though but if you read the article in full you cant miss that bold statement. Maybe that is media propaganda so that societiey will be less likely to test these punk police.

Off topic but still pig related. Something is wrong when in our societiey I cant pass a hot bitch on the street and say nice rack can I fuck your face in the back seat of my hatchback. Not that I would cuz Im married but if I wanted to I can actually be charged with sexual harrassment. However, just 150 years ago (only 8x my complete time existance) you could physically buy a human being, make your human reproduce more people for you to control, rape, beat, kill, eat or hang all in this in this bitch we call america. At the same time we still have to live by the rules that Frontiers made like 250 years ago. Man thats it but fuck the law.