Phonte vs XXL

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Ry

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Here is XXL's comments on Phonte of LIttle Brother:

“I keep telling cats at the label that the audience ain’t as dumb as we think, but I sometimes wonder yo….” - Phonte, Little Brother
This past weekend underground/backpack heroes Little Brother opened up for Three Six, Young Dro, Rick Ross, Young Joc, Franchise Boyz and The Musicianz in Fayetteville, NC. Above is a split screen between this show and the typical attendance at a show LB is headlining. See if you can guess which is which. 8,000 people in the crowd and not one of them cared.

Rather than accept his permanent underdog status (or, god forbid, actually go back to the lab to make a hit record), LB’s Phonte went on (and then okayplayer) to basically call the audience too stupid for his groups self proclaimed intelligent brand of hip hop*. This is not the first time the LB boys have presented this argument. Since signing to Atlantic (and subsequently bricking) the group has done nothing but complain about how they’re too smart for BET.

Which is odd. Outkast or Kanye West (for example) didn’t seem to have a problem making “smart” songs with a message and still selling truckloads of records. This is because they both have an aesthetic that, while definitely informed by the true school, is simultaneously pushing things forward.
Little Brother, on the other hand, continue to make throwback revivalist boom bap rap and continue to have zero commercial appeal. This isn’t even a matter of their music being boring (a claim some have made), merely outdated. If Mecca & The Soul Brother dropped today, it would be a resounding flop commercially. This is not because it’s a bad record. This is not because the audience is too stupid to understand all that vast knowledge that CL dropped (set to hurdle when I pop a girdle…) .

This is not because the south is ruining dat real hip hop, yo. It’s because popular music moves forward. Interests and styles change with the times. Either try to come with a sound that the masses are going to feel or play your position and deal with reality that the **** will only ever appeal to coffee shop chicks and white dudes. It’s that simple.


The whole situation is akin to a doo-wop revival group opening for Chris Brown and catching feelings when his audience isn’t into them. Except I’ve never heard a doo-wop group complain about how Chris Brown and his ignorant fans are ruining the culture.


But it’s likely that all of this has very little to do with Fayetteville’s indifference. Like it or not. most people don’t go to a concert to discover new artists. They go to see the ones they already love. And Little Brother may have carved out a little niche in their corner of the internet, but in the grand scheme they are still pretty much unknowns. I doubt anybody was mad about their subject matter or album title. That crowd probably didn’t even know the name of the album. LB were just another faceless act on the bill until Triple Six or Rick Ross or whoever they came to see hit the stage. A pre-”Goin’ Down” Young Joc would’ve probably evoked a similar response. People prefer what they know. This isn’t ignorant, this isn’t the product of clear channel conditioning - it’s just human nature.


Really LB should be thankful if this is the first time something like this has happened. More talented artists have played to disinterested crowds for their entire careers. I once saw a pre-Gnarls Cee-Lo perform to a dust and tumbleweeds arena. The Roots and Outkast were headlining. So ign’ant!
*It would seem that humility is the curse of the intellectual.
Here is Phontes response:

Wednesday, July 19, 2006


Since niggas wanna twist my words and shit: Worst Show Ever, Pt. 2....

I, apparently, got the innanet goin' nuts (c) P. Wall

When I decided to write about what me and Pooh experienced at Summerjam in Fayetteville, it wasn't in hopes of turning this shit into a "Get Well, Phonte" party. It really wasn't THAT major. After the show, me and Pooh rode home bumpin "The Shining" advance and laughed about the whole shit....

I come to this site to share with my fans both my highlights and my lowlights, in hopes of giving people an honest look into the life of a blue collar, working-class musician. My blogs about porn, niggers, vegetarianism and cuddle buddies are all well and good, but the minute I wanna talk about the OTHER side of this rap shit I'm a whiny bitch all of a sudden?

Y'all crackers ain't playin fair (c) Clipse

First off, I never said that niggas who don't like LB are 'dumb.' Never would I EVER, ever, ever, ever, ever make such a pompous, arrogant, and polarizing statement. Noz at XXL is just looking for page hits, and we all know this.

But on the flipside, if y'all really think the vast majority of the listening audience makes choices on their own, and that LB's poor response has anything to do with our music being 'too backpack' and 'not southern enough' and 'not club enough' then YOU'RE dumb.

I've been called everything from 'backpack' to 'conscious' to 'uppity' to 'holier than thou.' Cool. I'll be that. Fact is, if I was HALF as uppity as niggas thought I was, I woulda turned down the gig from jump and refused to play:

"Fuck that shit.....I ain't playin in front of a buncha Clear Channel drone ass niggas.....we walkin into certain death....."

That honestly was my first thought when we were presented with the gig.

But the thing with me is, I always give people a chance to either prove OR dispel my notions about 'em. Take it however you want, but I think there's something to be said about ANY person who would listen to the same 20 songs being programmed into their heads day in and day out without questioning anything. Still, I gave the audience a chance.

Point blank, my instincts were right: the majority of radio listeners are fucking drones.

They have to be told what TO like (i.e. the South's current dominination), as well as what NOT to like (i.e, post-50 era Ja Rule). Hence, no 'boos' at the show, which I woulda respected and appreciated a million times more. At least that woulda been a sign of independent thinking. But as you look at their faces in the pics, you can see that it wasn't hate, so much as it was apathy and indifference. All because they more than likely hadn't heard us before, which in their minds probably equated to us not being 'on.' I mean, they can't be any good if I ain't heard it before, right? If niggas ain't quackin (i.e. heavy radio and video rotation) they must not be ducks, right? (c) Bun B

Not responding to LB because you simply don't like the music = fine by me.

Not responding to LB (or any other group)all because you haven't heard them on the radio before and it hasn't been drilled into your head 20x a day = dumbass follower.

Hell, one of my boys even told me that he saw an early Dem Franchize Boyz show where the audience just looked at 'em dumbfounded, but a few months later they came back to the same spot after "White Tee" went into heavy rotation and niggas acted like it was the hottest shit ever. Nevermind DFB had actually performed that same song 3 mos. earlier to crickets... Radio niggas is drones, and I realize that now.

I hate to admit it, but Ahmir (?uest from the Roots) was right: us hip hop niggas (on BOTH sides of the spectrum and all points in between) done drunk the kool-aid and don't even realize it. So much of what is considered a 'hit' record and who is considered a 'star' in hip-hop today ain't got JACK SHIT to do with the music, so much as it has to do with:

How they dress....who they affiliated with....how rich they are or perceived to be....who they fuckin.....who gave 'em a 'cosign'......who their producer is.......are they a hustler/d-boy/baller/metro pretty boy or any other image.....what city they're from, what label they're on, etc....

The media outlets done tricked niggas so good, that we as listeners don't even realize that we take all this bullshit into account and 'accept' hit records, before we even hear ONE NOTE of actual music. (I know Ahmir, your royalty check is in the mail..)

So.....Take in the fact that LB are three niggas from the South who stick out like sore thumbs against their southern contemporaries.......AND the fact that we solely push our music and aren't attached to any 'image'......AND the fact that we're on a label who looks at niggas like red-headed stepchildren.....Add all that up and what do you get?

80,000 copies of "Minstrel Show" sold, and blank stares at any Summerjam in America, that's what. Am I making sense, or am I making TOO MUCH sense?

I realize that the road I've chosen to travel as an artist is alot less rewarding and alot more stressful at times, so I'm not complaining for what is ultimately my own choice. I am who I am. Of course, it gets frustrating at times just like any other job.....but overall......a nigga's blessed yo. I thank God for this life everyday.

I have no problem with cats disagreeing with my views, but at least come correct and have your shit straight about me. Either way, I hope this conversation keeps going. There's nothing like free publicity.

LB will continue to hustle, elevate our formula, perfect our craft, stay on our grind, and show love to the cats who show love to us....but we ain't fitna change our shit up and tapdance for nobody. No matter how slow the grind may be.

If you can't understand me FOR ME, then maybe I just ain't for you.

Peace and love to all those supporting the movement. We live, we learn, we move on.

Tay


This has been a Real Nigga PSA (R), sponsored by the Percy Miracles Foundation.
I totally agree with what Phonte is saying...
 

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Yeah thier first CD did 200000, I thought the Minstrel Show would have at least matched those #'s...
 
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he was speakin some real shit...i felt like this for years now..its like why would you listen to the radio they aint even talkin about shit...to me 50 cent is the prime example of bullshit that sells...but ask one black person if they bought the massacre.. i bet you less than 20% of the album sales were from niggaz..thats why i support underground shit
 
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Good thread MR RY, but I believe the discussion started when Phonte wrote this in their myspace-blog:
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Sunday, July 16, 2006

Last night me and Pooh had our worst show EVER yo....

Summerjam in Fayetteville last night was, unquestionably, the worst LB show ever.

I'm talkin ICE COLD yo.....the 'WOAT'......I think a breakdancing midget woulda got a better response than we did.

Real shit, I was *this* close to rhyming with my back turned to them niggas.

Imagine this lineup:
-Three Six Mafia
-Rick Ross
-Young Dro
-Young Joc
-Dem Franchize Boyz
-The Musicianz
-and....
-Little Brother?

It sounds like the setup to a bad '...so these guys walk into a bar' joke, I know...

NOW imagine a sea of 8,000 faces......completely still AND silent.

Don't get me wrong, once we accepted the gig I knew we were up against impossible odds, but I'm never one to back down from any challenge. The worst they can do is boo a nigga, right?

Wrong.

The worst they can do is look confused, and stare at you like you're the only boca burger at a steak buffet.

I thought niggas would at least nod and act like they're *trying* to give us a chance, right?

Nope.
None.
Zilch.
Nada.

Its like I could hear Jamie Foxx's voice in my head, taunting me like ol' boy at that roast:

"Damn, I really don't belong in this motherfucker.
I am your conscience.
Black people really don't like me.
I am your conscience.
Maybe you niggas should do that 'Lovin It' song and wrap it up....yeah, that'll get 'em on your side.
I am your conscience."

I think me and Pooh looked at each other and burst out laughing mid-song at one point, cause we couldn't believe how badly we were bombing....lol

Don't get it twisted....I understand how the 'concept' of Little Brother and/or "Minstrel Show" can be off putting and even intimidating to today's mainstream Black audience (three college educated niggas who ain't trappin and/or reppin one particular hood or housing project = The Cosby Show in the eyes of most niggas....real talk)......

But c'mon, now....

The stage show is when all those notions are supposed to fall to the side cause that's the 'oh, noooow I get it!' moment. That's when you see me and Pooh jumping and bouncing and rocking and realize, 'oh, they some regular niggas just like me.' Right?

Nope.
None.
Zilch.
Nada.

Shit like yesterday makes me wonder if the Black 'masses' and/or urban radio will EVER get what LB is trying to do.....

I know 9th doesn't make 808 beats.
I know me and Pooh don't have a 'leanwidditpeanutbutterandtaffy' song with its own accompanying dance.
I know HotFoxy9102.5 ain't runnin our joint every hour on the hour.

But damn....

I really wonder sometimes if my music is that 'intelligent' or are niggas just that dumb? (Or 'conditioned' to be a little more PC about it?)

I'mma keep doin' me and sadly assume the latter.

Little Brother
Getback
Atlantic Records '07

We move on. Again.


Tay

Link: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...&MyToken=51b4a88d-7147-427e-8dbb-a3e30b78c583

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One more thing ( kinda off-topic):
This is an important and interesting discussion, so who`s involved in it ain`t really that crucial, but if you read below each blog-entry at xxlmag.com, it says:

"The contents of this blog do not reflect the opinions, practices or standards of XXLMAG.com, XXL Magazine or Harris Publications. They are the sole viewpoint and property of the respective columnist".
 

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I feel what he is saying there, I can see why people would be pissed at him though. The music biz has it so poeple only like what is given to them on a platter. I truely believe the average music listener is hella ignorant. How many of y'all have tryed to play a dope underground song to a bitch, but they dont want to hear it because they usually only like a song because of the hook? How many times have you hear someone say "oh, I dont listen to the lyrics, I just listen to the beat"? The music industry doesnt want us to think, and most artists that say fuck it and do thier thing get black balled (like Little Brother). They even have it now so anyone that is conscious and saying something in their music is negatively coined a "backpack rapper". Most shit I listen to is a continuation of the styles I grew up on from the late 80's onward. To me that is rap music, all this other nonsense is just a fad to me...
 
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MR RY said:
I feel what he is saying there, I can see why people would be pissed at him though. The music biz has it so poeple only like what is given to them on a platter. I truely believe the average music listener is hella ignorant. How many of y'all have tryed to play a dope underground song to a bitch, but they dont want to hear it because they usually only like a song because of the hook? How many times have you hear someone say "oh, I dont listen to the lyrics, I just listen to the beat"? The music industry doesnt want us to think, and most artists that say fuck it and do thier thing get black balled (like Little Brother). They even have it now so anyone that is conscious and saying something in their music is negatively coined a "backpack rapper". Most shit I listen to is a continuation of the styles I grew up on from the late 80's onward. To me that is rap music, all this other nonsense is just a fad to me...
Excellent points RY. I couldnt have put any better. As well with what Phonte said. I absolutely can't stand the radio