People will never be free, and you are powerless...
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While reading a response given by a member of this board, I could not help the fact that I had to laugh aloud and almost spit Cherry Vanilla Coke over my trusty Sony LCD. I anticipated his arrival, and although I did not expect his attempt at an in depth response, I do believe he made several points that need to be toppled. However, I will not do it in the typical fashion. I'll keep the current format and make replies in regards to his words instead of trying to reply directly to him.
The writer opens up with an attempt to "poison the well" by suggesting that the post was "purely emotional,” but the poster provides no evidence to support the claim and fails to realize that several members here practice free writing techniques. In the future, I suggest he actually try the exercise before he makes a post. However, I do not recommend that he make a thread such as this, because the poster, like several other people here, will often shrink into a corner when they have been disproved and rejected.
The poster suggests that if he believed everything I wrote that he would drink poison, die, and "play xbox with Jesus,” but how should we take his sarcasm? He doesn't have to believe everything I wrote, however he has often shown that he DOES believe just about everything that is conservative or will paint white america in a positive light. He proceeds to say he will drink poison, and given the fact that he often exhibits the same traits of the Jonestown victims, I would be neither shocked nor upset if he actually did drink a gallon of purple kool-aid. In addition, he suggests he would play xbox with the Son of God, but do you honestly think Jesus would play an inferior machine when most of us have already stepped our game up to next gen consoles? The poster must be going through hard times.
Moving past his failed attempts at wit and trying to be the next "Nostril King" or Maddox, you'll see that he starts out mentioning my numbers, but he never provides any of his own. Are we supposed to believe that those who govern post-industrialized nations are going to increase the social mobility and life chances of others? Has the gap between rich and poor increased? It has, yet the poster would prefer to sidestep this issue, and use words such as "crybaby" and "pathetic" when describing the facts.
He suggests that I believe the numbers are static and unchanging, but if he were allowed to mislead you, he would try to persuade you to believe that the numbers are getting better. However, according to reports given by the IMF and UNDP, "The income gap between the richest and poorest people in the world continued to grow between 1960 and 2003.” In 1960 the highest income 20% of the worlds population received $30 for each dollar received by the lowest income 20% By 200, the disparity had increased: $74 to $1." With that being said, are we to believe that things are getting better? According to the misinformed poster--you should.
The poster argues that religion has changed, yet the poster often implies that religion has been used as a tool to control the masses. If religion has changed, why has the purpose, according to the poster, remained static? However, he does bring up a good point, and while he understands part of the concept, he is not fully capable of discussing syncretism and how it has changed religions. Personally, I would have thought that he were slightly capable of addressing one of the real problems found in many religions today--the lack of true dedication and care for your fellow man, however, that thought was flushed down the toilet once the post was read to completion.
The poster accuses me of talking about the poor, and suggests that I believe it should be done to obtain a utopia, but I have said nothing about a utopia. Asking people to stand up for themselves does not mean I advocate a utopia. What it does mean is I advocate individuality and willingness to step up to the plate to change a situation that is detrimental to ones livelihood. What I am advocating is not being content with crumbs and scraps. With that being said, am I wrong to assume that the poster is content with his position in society?
Our friend goes on to say, "middle income family has more amenities available to them than kings and emperors of the past, better health, better hygene, longer life span you name it. the pharoahs didnt have air conditioning", but isn't he comparing apples to oranges? Why is he comparing kingdoms of the past to post industrial nations? Does he not consider urbanization and industrialization when he offers his severely warped comparison? The poster wants to stay in the past, he is conservative after all, but he fails to realize that while the Pharaohs did not have air conditioning, they did have slaves with fans, so how is that much different from now? Oh, aside from the fact that it is a closed system of stratification? Probably nothing, but if we leave it up to the poster and his vivid imagination, you'll probably get all types of wacky ideas!
The poster does not understand social mobility, life chances, or cultural capital, for if he did, he would not ponder the possibility of simply switching with the rich at will. If he had a simple comprehension of economics, he would see that his revolving door statement contradicts the suggestions and claims through out his post.
Things have changed. According to the poster, things have changed because blacks are no longer being hung and because blacks are allowed to drink at the same fountains as whites. How charming, but does the poster forget the fact that blacks are still the victims of the status quo and feel injustice from the criminal justice system in the form of police brutality, longer jail terms and higher restitution fees? It would appear that the poster is also unaware that Affirmative Action was implemented to give minorities a level playing field, but if he does have knowledge of it, he'll most like claim it is reverse racism. The poster believes that discussing Obama and idolizing rappers is a sign of boundaries being broken, but does he forget the fact that white and so-called Jewish americans control the political and entertainment industry? Maybe he needs to be reminded that blacks still face inequalities in these fields, but according to the poster things are "A o.k. in the good ole u.s. of a"
Oh, it gets better people, continue to read as the poster is exposed, reduced to pieces, and trampled over. He believes that my post was a tirade, yet he offers little to refute the things I have presented. He suggests that, "It seems like you are unhappy with you place in the world, that in fact you are the one who wishes they would be among the so called elite but of course that’s just my opinion.,” but what does he offer to support his opinion? He simply throws things out there in hopes of it sticking to the wall like those rubber octopus toys from back in the day. He proceeds to say, "it seems like a depressing little pep talk losers recite to themselves each morning to justify there own beleif that they are the shit of the earth. these kind of people can be good though they make great lifelong employees with no aspirations and since they already think they are slaves, they are even easier to exploit.", yet he fails to realize that I have a high GPA, and will soon start an internship at a law office. He fails to grasp the fact that I will work in either public interest law or the criminology field, but please, don't remind him of the fact that I actually have apprx 50 or 60k worth of recording gear and utilize it to make money legally (and yes, I am licensed and have my business permits.) Nevertheless, according to the poster, my words seem like a pep talk that losers recite, but his words ARE that of an uneducated worker who is designed to be used by the global elite?
Let us move on to what the poster believes is a contradiction. He says, “first you say that the poor rising up will never happen, then you use the hypothetical that civil rights activists could have risen up and "not gone the passive route.” You say that no uprising in america will change the system, but then of course you elude to the civil rights movement later." It is obvious that the poster lacks the ability to read, think, and respond critically. The poor rising up will never happen because americans are too content with their placement. When I mentioned civil rights, he fails to realize that it was in response to the movement NOT using the bible for illegitimate gain when they could have used it in the same manner as the slave masters of old. Does he believe the civil rights movement changed anything? Oh, you bet he does, but if you show him the literacy level, HIV rate, teen pregnancy rate, incarceration rate, poverty level, and housing stats pertinent to the black race, he'll probably dodge the issue or result to barking...
We now have to answer some "BIIIIIIIIIG" questions. I am sure he thought he had me with this one, but watch as I snatch the rug from his feet. He asked me, how many poverty-ridden neighborhoods would a rich man from the suburbs be killed in? how man rich gated communities would a poor man be murdered in?" My answer to the first part of his question is, due to your obvious lack of knowledge in regards to gentrification, the answer is not many. In response to the second question, not many, because poor people are not allowed in gated communities. Moreover, since they are not allowed, that means you are not "free" to go where you want. Can we say segregation?
The poster, in his infinite wisdom, is unable to address what has been posted. Does he address ascribed status? Hardly, and that would be a better use of bandwidth than asking questions of little or no value. Instead, he resorts to comical antics and fallacies, but in times such as these, are we in need of such antics?
In closing, you the poster are so obsessed with "them" that you justify each and everything "they" do. In fact, your obsession runs so deep, you actually emulate them in thought, and although you are more mentally challenged, you nevertheless do try to emulate "them." You imply that I am part of the outgroup, but being part of the outgroup is fine with me. However, you are the one willing to be part of the in group, and judging by your willingness to commit suicide, I would say that you are more prone to resorting to such foolishness than I. Maybe your delusions of grandeur will cease after Jesus crushes you at xbox...maybe they will cease after you realize that you have been accurately portrayed in this post and the last.
Game over.
The writer opens up with an attempt to "poison the well" by suggesting that the post was "purely emotional,” but the poster provides no evidence to support the claim and fails to realize that several members here practice free writing techniques. In the future, I suggest he actually try the exercise before he makes a post. However, I do not recommend that he make a thread such as this, because the poster, like several other people here, will often shrink into a corner when they have been disproved and rejected.
The poster suggests that if he believed everything I wrote that he would drink poison, die, and "play xbox with Jesus,” but how should we take his sarcasm? He doesn't have to believe everything I wrote, however he has often shown that he DOES believe just about everything that is conservative or will paint white america in a positive light. He proceeds to say he will drink poison, and given the fact that he often exhibits the same traits of the Jonestown victims, I would be neither shocked nor upset if he actually did drink a gallon of purple kool-aid. In addition, he suggests he would play xbox with the Son of God, but do you honestly think Jesus would play an inferior machine when most of us have already stepped our game up to next gen consoles? The poster must be going through hard times.
Moving past his failed attempts at wit and trying to be the next "Nostril King" or Maddox, you'll see that he starts out mentioning my numbers, but he never provides any of his own. Are we supposed to believe that those who govern post-industrialized nations are going to increase the social mobility and life chances of others? Has the gap between rich and poor increased? It has, yet the poster would prefer to sidestep this issue, and use words such as "crybaby" and "pathetic" when describing the facts.
He suggests that I believe the numbers are static and unchanging, but if he were allowed to mislead you, he would try to persuade you to believe that the numbers are getting better. However, according to reports given by the IMF and UNDP, "The income gap between the richest and poorest people in the world continued to grow between 1960 and 2003.” In 1960 the highest income 20% of the worlds population received $30 for each dollar received by the lowest income 20% By 200, the disparity had increased: $74 to $1." With that being said, are we to believe that things are getting better? According to the misinformed poster--you should.
The poster argues that religion has changed, yet the poster often implies that religion has been used as a tool to control the masses. If religion has changed, why has the purpose, according to the poster, remained static? However, he does bring up a good point, and while he understands part of the concept, he is not fully capable of discussing syncretism and how it has changed religions. Personally, I would have thought that he were slightly capable of addressing one of the real problems found in many religions today--the lack of true dedication and care for your fellow man, however, that thought was flushed down the toilet once the post was read to completion.
The poster accuses me of talking about the poor, and suggests that I believe it should be done to obtain a utopia, but I have said nothing about a utopia. Asking people to stand up for themselves does not mean I advocate a utopia. What it does mean is I advocate individuality and willingness to step up to the plate to change a situation that is detrimental to ones livelihood. What I am advocating is not being content with crumbs and scraps. With that being said, am I wrong to assume that the poster is content with his position in society?
Our friend goes on to say, "middle income family has more amenities available to them than kings and emperors of the past, better health, better hygene, longer life span you name it. the pharoahs didnt have air conditioning", but isn't he comparing apples to oranges? Why is he comparing kingdoms of the past to post industrial nations? Does he not consider urbanization and industrialization when he offers his severely warped comparison? The poster wants to stay in the past, he is conservative after all, but he fails to realize that while the Pharaohs did not have air conditioning, they did have slaves with fans, so how is that much different from now? Oh, aside from the fact that it is a closed system of stratification? Probably nothing, but if we leave it up to the poster and his vivid imagination, you'll probably get all types of wacky ideas!
The poster does not understand social mobility, life chances, or cultural capital, for if he did, he would not ponder the possibility of simply switching with the rich at will. If he had a simple comprehension of economics, he would see that his revolving door statement contradicts the suggestions and claims through out his post.
Things have changed. According to the poster, things have changed because blacks are no longer being hung and because blacks are allowed to drink at the same fountains as whites. How charming, but does the poster forget the fact that blacks are still the victims of the status quo and feel injustice from the criminal justice system in the form of police brutality, longer jail terms and higher restitution fees? It would appear that the poster is also unaware that Affirmative Action was implemented to give minorities a level playing field, but if he does have knowledge of it, he'll most like claim it is reverse racism. The poster believes that discussing Obama and idolizing rappers is a sign of boundaries being broken, but does he forget the fact that white and so-called Jewish americans control the political and entertainment industry? Maybe he needs to be reminded that blacks still face inequalities in these fields, but according to the poster things are "A o.k. in the good ole u.s. of a"
Oh, it gets better people, continue to read as the poster is exposed, reduced to pieces, and trampled over. He believes that my post was a tirade, yet he offers little to refute the things I have presented. He suggests that, "It seems like you are unhappy with you place in the world, that in fact you are the one who wishes they would be among the so called elite but of course that’s just my opinion.,” but what does he offer to support his opinion? He simply throws things out there in hopes of it sticking to the wall like those rubber octopus toys from back in the day. He proceeds to say, "it seems like a depressing little pep talk losers recite to themselves each morning to justify there own beleif that they are the shit of the earth. these kind of people can be good though they make great lifelong employees with no aspirations and since they already think they are slaves, they are even easier to exploit.", yet he fails to realize that I have a high GPA, and will soon start an internship at a law office. He fails to grasp the fact that I will work in either public interest law or the criminology field, but please, don't remind him of the fact that I actually have apprx 50 or 60k worth of recording gear and utilize it to make money legally (and yes, I am licensed and have my business permits.) Nevertheless, according to the poster, my words seem like a pep talk that losers recite, but his words ARE that of an uneducated worker who is designed to be used by the global elite?
Let us move on to what the poster believes is a contradiction. He says, “first you say that the poor rising up will never happen, then you use the hypothetical that civil rights activists could have risen up and "not gone the passive route.” You say that no uprising in america will change the system, but then of course you elude to the civil rights movement later." It is obvious that the poster lacks the ability to read, think, and respond critically. The poor rising up will never happen because americans are too content with their placement. When I mentioned civil rights, he fails to realize that it was in response to the movement NOT using the bible for illegitimate gain when they could have used it in the same manner as the slave masters of old. Does he believe the civil rights movement changed anything? Oh, you bet he does, but if you show him the literacy level, HIV rate, teen pregnancy rate, incarceration rate, poverty level, and housing stats pertinent to the black race, he'll probably dodge the issue or result to barking...
We now have to answer some "BIIIIIIIIIG" questions. I am sure he thought he had me with this one, but watch as I snatch the rug from his feet. He asked me, how many poverty-ridden neighborhoods would a rich man from the suburbs be killed in? how man rich gated communities would a poor man be murdered in?" My answer to the first part of his question is, due to your obvious lack of knowledge in regards to gentrification, the answer is not many. In response to the second question, not many, because poor people are not allowed in gated communities. Moreover, since they are not allowed, that means you are not "free" to go where you want. Can we say segregation?
The poster, in his infinite wisdom, is unable to address what has been posted. Does he address ascribed status? Hardly, and that would be a better use of bandwidth than asking questions of little or no value. Instead, he resorts to comical antics and fallacies, but in times such as these, are we in need of such antics?
In closing, you the poster are so obsessed with "them" that you justify each and everything "they" do. In fact, your obsession runs so deep, you actually emulate them in thought, and although you are more mentally challenged, you nevertheless do try to emulate "them." You imply that I am part of the outgroup, but being part of the outgroup is fine with me. However, you are the one willing to be part of the in group, and judging by your willingness to commit suicide, I would say that you are more prone to resorting to such foolishness than I. Maybe your delusions of grandeur will cease after Jesus crushes you at xbox...maybe they will cease after you realize that you have been accurately portrayed in this post and the last.
Game over.
I love how you assign specific thoughts to the general board. Then again, I suppose arguments are to Heresy what crack is to a dope fiend.
I am always truthful with myself – it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that those of us who are not rich are, in their view, simply a means to an end (to make the rich richer). That’s life – you either accept it or you do something about it. The problem is that nobody NEEDS to do anything about it. There is a natural progression of stages in this process – you notice the inequalities, you talk about them, and then you do something about them. Poor Americans and the rest of the western world are stuck at the ‘talk about it’ stage because they haven’t been forced to progress to the final stage of doing something about it. Most countries which have undergone revolutions were forced to – back in the late 18th century, a loaf of bread in France cost two weeks pay. If they didn’t change their situation, many of them would have died. This is not the case in America, and until it is, there will never be an uprising.
I conform. I am living a comfortable life because I went out and got my piece of the pie. My mother was poor and I never had a father, but I refused to use it as an excuse to wade in my own self-pity and expect people to feel sorry for me. I don’t like the way the economic world is heading but I have never had any far fetched belief that things were going to change – I’m a realist. Yes, I am also an atheist, but when have I talked about change? I have little faith in the way the world is run – my compliance with the powers that be does not suggest that I have any inherent confidence that what they say is true or that I am loyal to their cause. My ideology is based around science – I have a thirst for knowledge, my need to know things is what drives me. Those in power may not put the knowledge to good use – many greedy people have become rich off the ideas of scientists. I refuse to accept this as a reason to terminate my quest for knowledge though.
I agree with your ‘soldiers dying for our rights’ spiel. How do the actions of a few rebels or a foreign army in Asia affect our way of life? White Americans and even white Australians seem to have some inbuilt need for conquest and domination – even a few hundred years ago, Europeans were desperate to gather as many imperial nations as possible just so they could add another notch on their belt.
I’m white and have expressed my opinion regarding religion several times on these boards. I have often said that “religion is a tool used to do this and that” because it is true. Religion has been used to do several things, both good and bad. Quite frankly, I don’t care how religion is used – I only put forth arguments regarding the use of religion to perform horrible acts to counteract the imminent argument from those who are religious such that “religion is where we derive our morals and it makes people good”. That is true for many people, but it is far from a universal characteristic of religious people. The main reason why I am against religion is because it is based on a false premise – that God exists.
In conclusion, yes Heresy – you and I both know that you have better chances because of your ascribed status. However, it is not only poinitless, but is actually disadvantageous to sit there and whine about it – ‘oh, he was born into a rich family and thus has more opportunity, boo hoo’. If you spent the same amount of time doing something about it, you would better your chances of getting a bigger piece of the pie. Shit happens – you may not be in the position that you want to be, but you’re still living better lives than 5 billion people.
I am always truthful with myself – it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that those of us who are not rich are, in their view, simply a means to an end (to make the rich richer). That’s life – you either accept it or you do something about it. The problem is that nobody NEEDS to do anything about it. There is a natural progression of stages in this process – you notice the inequalities, you talk about them, and then you do something about them. Poor Americans and the rest of the western world are stuck at the ‘talk about it’ stage because they haven’t been forced to progress to the final stage of doing something about it. Most countries which have undergone revolutions were forced to – back in the late 18th century, a loaf of bread in France cost two weeks pay. If they didn’t change their situation, many of them would have died. This is not the case in America, and until it is, there will never be an uprising.
I conform. I am living a comfortable life because I went out and got my piece of the pie. My mother was poor and I never had a father, but I refused to use it as an excuse to wade in my own self-pity and expect people to feel sorry for me. I don’t like the way the economic world is heading but I have never had any far fetched belief that things were going to change – I’m a realist. Yes, I am also an atheist, but when have I talked about change? I have little faith in the way the world is run – my compliance with the powers that be does not suggest that I have any inherent confidence that what they say is true or that I am loyal to their cause. My ideology is based around science – I have a thirst for knowledge, my need to know things is what drives me. Those in power may not put the knowledge to good use – many greedy people have become rich off the ideas of scientists. I refuse to accept this as a reason to terminate my quest for knowledge though.
I agree with your ‘soldiers dying for our rights’ spiel. How do the actions of a few rebels or a foreign army in Asia affect our way of life? White Americans and even white Australians seem to have some inbuilt need for conquest and domination – even a few hundred years ago, Europeans were desperate to gather as many imperial nations as possible just so they could add another notch on their belt.
I’m white and have expressed my opinion regarding religion several times on these boards. I have often said that “religion is a tool used to do this and that” because it is true. Religion has been used to do several things, both good and bad. Quite frankly, I don’t care how religion is used – I only put forth arguments regarding the use of religion to perform horrible acts to counteract the imminent argument from those who are religious such that “religion is where we derive our morals and it makes people good”. That is true for many people, but it is far from a universal characteristic of religious people. The main reason why I am against religion is because it is based on a false premise – that God exists.
In conclusion, yes Heresy – you and I both know that you have better chances because of your ascribed status. However, it is not only poinitless, but is actually disadvantageous to sit there and whine about it – ‘oh, he was born into a rich family and thus has more opportunity, boo hoo’. If you spent the same amount of time doing something about it, you would better your chances of getting a bigger piece of the pie. Shit happens – you may not be in the position that you want to be, but you’re still living better lives than 5 billion people.
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Maybe Jesus will play this game with that one guy.
Maybe Jesus will play this game with that one guy.
In some areas yes. In some areas no. Financially I'm straight, but I can live off the land and would still be content with that. My spiritual beliefs don't coincide with having a lot of money or doing certain things to get it. Mentally, I can always learn more. Spiritually, I can always learn more. Content with my position in a social context? That depends....
Yeah because dumb fucks like you still harp about the same shit. See Iam not one of the dumbfucks. Iam the one sitting back watching everyone else. Waiting for the perfect moment to strike. Waiting for idiots like you to kill one another off so that we can build a better future for humanity. What was so good about this post? What was so life changing about it? Whats wrong can't answer. I thought so. People act according to their own needs and wants. What, is some siccness.net posting going to change that? No, you can not change the way people are going to be. You sit back and watch and when the time is right you intervine. Slavery is a dead issue you dumbfuck. If we keep dwelling on it all the time thats only asking for more seperation of the races. Maybe you should think about that before you speak to me. Understand before you type with your phalanges encased in skin.
Baka Desu.
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I am a firm believer in that one should never be content with where they are. The brain is a sponge for learning, and it is up to a person to allow that to happen. When one becomes content with where they might be, they tend to get lazy. Getting comfortable and not being on your toes can attribute to idle hands, which is said to "the devils playground". Now Im no religious man, but I believe in morally good amd morally wrong scenarios. I am certainly NOT saying that becuase someone is content with their current life situation that they will become a "bad" person, but I do believe that a completely content person can have serious jaded flaws in their thinking and actions.
I see that you are in school and learning a whole new field. I, like you, am in the same position. I am not content with working at my current job forever, no matter how much my boss decides to pay me. I do not enjoy my work and I would rather start at the bottom of an institution and work my way up if it is something I can more than stomach, but rather enjoy.
As far as money goes, It would be ridiculous to say that I am "fit" in that department, although I am in no way starving either. I hate to view money as such a high-priority, but, as you pointed out in your initial post, it is what life is built around. We could get into the whole Federal Reserve issue about money and this and that, but at this moment in life, it is irrelevent. Of course, this also falls into what you said about "being out of the loop". As outsiders, we have no power, this is true. Although, I do like to entertain the thought of "to beat the man, you must join the man". But what happens when one does this and gets turned on by what the man does and becomes the man him/herself? Where does it end?
I know this will sound corny, but the "loop" just might be society's version of "The Dark Side".
I see that you are in school and learning a whole new field. I, like you, am in the same position. I am not content with working at my current job forever, no matter how much my boss decides to pay me. I do not enjoy my work and I would rather start at the bottom of an institution and work my way up if it is something I can more than stomach, but rather enjoy.
As far as money goes, It would be ridiculous to say that I am "fit" in that department, although I am in no way starving either. I hate to view money as such a high-priority, but, as you pointed out in your initial post, it is what life is built around. We could get into the whole Federal Reserve issue about money and this and that, but at this moment in life, it is irrelevent. Of course, this also falls into what you said about "being out of the loop". As outsiders, we have no power, this is true. Although, I do like to entertain the thought of "to beat the man, you must join the man". But what happens when one does this and gets turned on by what the man does and becomes the man him/herself? Where does it end?
I know this will sound corny, but the "loop" just might be society's version of "The Dark Side".
Well while you're at it kill yourself stupid ass. I never said his post would change anyone, but like Phoenix sun said there will be men that will try to establish better things in this world, only to be ridiculed for it. And Input aka Sixxness put it well, those men that ridicule those who try to make a difference ARE FUCK UPS in this society. Look at what you said
So what does that tell everybody on the Board? While men are out there giving their time to make even the slightest difference, whether a theist or not, you're at home jacking off to some gay porn, at the same time listening to rappers, who some actually give a damn about Slavery. Yes it might be dead, but are you willing to pay for reparations? How do you know any of your ancestors had slaves you dumb fuck, and if you did do you plan on providing a mule and a few acres? Low Life Scum.
