outer space and light

[marty50]

im trying to figure out this problem.

say that i look into a telescope and see a planet that is 40 light years away.

so when i see that planet, i am seeing that planet as it was 40 years ago in the PAST, cuz that is how long it took for light to travel for me to see it here on Earth.

now the problem i have is, say on that planet at the planets PRESENT MOMENT, the whole entire planet blew up and exploded in the PRESENT. how am i supposed to know that it blew up and exploded, cuz when i see it, it looks intact round-shaped and everything??

what im saying is if the planet blew up and exploded in the planets PRESENT TIME, how am i able to see a planet that is intact?? shouldnt i not even see a planet at all, since there isnt one there in the planets PRESENT TIME??

it seems like there is two diffrent times, earth time and the planets time. im confused. i wish i had einsteins brain and imagination for this thought.

 

[NovaFire]

think of a train...think of the front of the train as the light that has just arrived on earth and think of the end of the train as light that is still on its way. now lets say someone blows up the cart at the end, you wont be able to tell until it gets to the arrival station, even though it already blew up.

 

[marty50]

but the planet is complete.

i mean crap its like someone from outer space looking at the earth from 50 light years away at THEIR PRESENT MOMENT and being able if they had a powerful enough telescope, they could see that JFK is alive and kickin in 1960. but for us he is dead already and has been for decades.

i wonder if this works for tv signals going into outerspace, too? this is jsut some crazy bizarre shit.

i always had this thing when they would show some old football game on tv from the 1980s, i would be like damn, i have never seen this game ever. and i would calculate how long it took the football game to reach me thru space to get thru to me at the present moment.

like if the game was from 1985, then it would have taken 25 light years, or (25 X 5,878,500,600,000 miles= a shitload of miles), or a shitload of miles just for me to ever see this football game. its like i waited eternity just to see a football game from 1985.

anyways, i guess i understand, so fi you were at the train station, viewing the train coming towards you from far away, and the end of the train started to blow up, you wouldnt be able to tell it was blowing at first, becasue you are lookng at the train from the front?

its just crazy having something get pulverized completely, but it would still be in a complete state. taht is jsut a mindfuck to me. my mind is playing tricks on me type shit.

my crain hurts, im going off to dead now. ill think about it tommrow.

thansk for that explanaition, i guess. im not sure if i completly understand it, tho. ill have to think about it.

what kind of pshysics or laws is this called?

i wish they taought us this kind of shit in school, or maybe i wasnt paying attention. sounds like that Doppler, red light shift thing they use to see how far away galaxys are moving away from each other.

 

[Mobstyle Music]

Yes, it does work for tv and radio signals also. Funny thing is the first signal anybody gets from us is one of Adolf Hitlers speeches, because it was the first thing televised with an amplified signal. Watch the movie Contact, it's bad ass.

 

[FreedomLost]

Remember when you see anything, you are not seeing the object itself, what you are seeing is the light reflected off that object.

 

[NovaFire]

^^^
like he says, your not seeing the planet as it is, but as it was when that particle of light reflected off of the object, then think of how long it takes that particle to reach the telescope

 

[marty50]

so the light is creating this hologram like image of something that is real matter.

damn, im starting to wonder if we are real. if the image people see us as, is actually light bouncing off of us.

im gonna have to look more into this. but i understasnd the whole light reflection thing now. crazy, even tho its logical, scientifically.

 

[LyfeCentenz]

haha you're not even seeing the light bouncing off the objects man, what you see, is the translation of electromagnetic waves, particles, photons and whatever else is out there (if there is an out there, that can't be proved) and you're experiencing it inside your brain. All that you see, touch, taste, feel, is inside your head.. all translations of information. And whatever it is that we call our head and brain is a translation of this information too. Alot of people take their eyes to be windows looking to this "outside world" separate from you. But your whole experience is subjective.

In other words your brain could very well be sitting in a box somewhere with information being fed into it making your experience of this "reality".

Those planets that you see out there are not technically "out there" either. The noumenon (something out there beyond your perception) is a concept. Its all a part of consciousness.

Science likes to pretend this factor doesn't exist. It's like the dirty little secret thats swept under the rug.

 

[LyfeCentenz]

and heres what einstein discovered about the nature of light in relation to space/time

 

[marty50]

well those plaents have to be technically out there, beacasue its obvious you cant reach out and grab them and you cant defintely physically get those those plaents, hell you cant even get to the moon physically bt just grabbing it..

i mean you are saying that if we understood the mind alot more than we do now, that we can jsut mentally with our minds get to that planet. i mean how the fuck are you supposed to get to a physcal palent mentally. mentally---going to>>>>___>>psycal plaent

so is this the same experience you get when you see an imaginary image in front of you being projected from your mind? are they the same effect, this noumon effect??

i like what you are saying tho, and im trying to understand it more.

 

[BASEDVATO]

Who's to say what you see is real?

Your eyes looks at electric / light impulses and makes a vision in your mind

Speed of light isn't that fast in a universe perspective.... so yes by the time the light enters your eyes, you are seeing a image from the past....







When we see a star Die / Vanish... it happened billions of years ago... yes it took that long for that light image to get there.

 

[BASEDVATO]

Those planets that you see out there are not technically "out there" either. The noumenon (something out there beyond your perception) is a concept. Its all a part of consciousness.

Science likes to pretend this factor doesn't exist. It's like the dirty little secret thats swept under the rug.

Well we have a planet Earth to reference to, we have a Mars to reference to. There are bodies of matter in space with a environment.

but I totally understand your consciousness question. Who is to say the way are brain processes and images these light waves are the only way of viewing the world we live in? There's a theory that atoms at its most basic form are made of pulsating electric waves... making us just part of a huge wave of electricity traveling through space when you look at matter at it's most basic form. It gets deep!

 

[LyfeCentenz]

well those plaents have to be technically out there, beacasue its obvious you cant reach out and grab them and you cant defintely physically get those those plaents, hell you cant even get to the moon physically bt just grabbing it..

i mean you are saying that if we understood the mind alot more than we do now, that we can jsut mentally with our minds get to that planet. i mean how the fuck are you supposed to get to a physcal palent mentally. mentally---going to>>>>___>>psycal plaent

so is this the same experience you get when you see an imaginary image in front of you being projected from your mind? are they the same effect, this noumon effect??

i like what you are saying tho, and im trying to understand it more.

"Out there" is just how things appear to be... but there very well might not be an out there or in here, both are conceptual dualistic opposites of each other.. we really have no idea! There's no way to know.. what you see is undoubtably translated information... its all energy on different levels. Every single bit of your experiencing is happening inside your brain... this all gets into ideas of quantum mechanics and quantum physics, the science of consciousness and lots of things that we're just beginning to understand. YOU create your experience. You're not what you take yourself to be. And both sides of it are true... you are in the universe, and the universe is within you. You are whatever it is that the universe is composed of awake to itself.. you're a means for the manifested reality we call the universe to know itself. Without sentient beings existing and experiencing through sight, touch, taste, smell and hearing... there very well may not be anything at all because there would be no one to witness it.

Watch this shit

 

[askG]

yeah ive been getting into the holographic universe theory and theory on how the mind may also be holographic...were matter materializes from our consiousness...our consciousness builds the world we live in, im reading this book called the holographis universe by somebody or other...and it theorizes how everything from ancient mayas, to shaman, curanderos, etc etc...healers, they are all just normal ppl who know how to dig into this energy, they are able to see and grasp beyond our reality...and shit makes sense...everything from magicians like chris angel, to those mofos who have stigmata, to pshycics and healers...a holographic world, and the means to manipulate it, makes everything we think of as paranormal, just ordinary, ordinary in that if we were to all awaken and channel this knowledge, wed be able to use it as well...not to the point of healing ppl and making matter appear and disapearr at will, but to some extent our "powers" could be better understood...

and its funny, i only was able to grasp these ideas and really understand them the first time i did shrooms...i always was curious about the universe and everything contained whitihn it, always had diff beliefes about were we stay at, but it wasnt until i shroomed that iw as able to feel our reality, what i think is our reality...waves, energy and pulses that travel through some sort of passage, i dont want to say space because were we are is nonlocal really, maybe its just a thought were we are, a conscious that materialized all over...i really felt this on one of my scarier trips...were i looked up at the night sky w nothing but stars and moon in my vicinity, i was able to focus on the night sky like a 3d picture...and for a few seconds at a time, my mind(or counsciousness) traveled into the cosmos, my body was on earth and i no longer felt it but i felt my consciousness traveling at a high rate of speed directly up into the sky, and i could hear this loud noise, like a zoomiong noise or like thise noise coming from within my ear drum, which i think is who we really are, blasts of energy w no bodies just these hums and bells and noises that engulf us...like when i walked on the sun, all i could feel and hear was energy.

 

[AKAZIE]

try taking shrooms and closing your eyes. all the answers are right there.

 

[LyfeCentenz]

yup the holographic universe by michael talbot... good shit

and the use of "psychedelics" is a good way to experience these things, those chemicals fire different neurotransmitters and other parts of our physical makeup that let our 5 senses experience a wider spectrum of the manifest reality past our normal threshold we're usually enclosed in. Does make you realize there is alot more "out there"... or within this.

This dude Peter Russell does a presentation thats on youtube called "The Primacy of Consciousness" which is pretty long but if you sit through it it's well worth it.... goes over all this shit and he breaks it down real good

heres part one..