Opposition to Iraq war widens

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Opposition to Iraq war widens
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2688117.stm


China has joined other leading members of the United Nations Security Council to voice strong opposition to an American-led war on Iraq, just days before a key UN debate on the crisis.
Beijing was "worried and uneasy" about the large-scale military build-up in the Gulf, a Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman said.

Russia deems that there is no evidence that would justify a war in Iraq



Igor Ivanov
Russian Foreign Minister

And Russian President Vladimir Putin has told President George W Bush that the UN weapons inspectors' report due on 27 January should be the key to deciding future actions on Iraq, the Kremlin said.

As the rift between Washington and other Security Council members widens, foreign ministers from key Middle East nations are meeting in Istanbul to explore ways of resolving the crisis.

Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said they hoped the meeting in Turkey would make progress.

"We advocate solving the Iraq question through political and diplomatic means," she said.

China's stance, she said, was close to that of the French Government, which together with Germany is calling for everything possible be done to avoid conflict.




UN inspectors say they need several more months to complete their work.

But President Bush, who is massing troops in the region, has warned time is running out for Iraq.


This 'old Europe' has resilience, and is capable of bouncing back



Francis Mer,
French Finance Minister

Russia - which like France and China has power of veto as a permanent member of the Security Council - has also challenged the US position.

Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said: "Russia deems that there is no evidence that would justify a war in Iraq."

And Mr Putin told President Bush in a telephone conversation on Thursday that "the main criterion" in assessing the situation in Iraq should be the weapons inspectors' findings, the Kremlin announced.


Resentments grow

Both German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and French President Jacques Chirac have voiced their strong opposition to a declaration of war.

Mr Schroeder also declared that he would not even back a United Nations resolution authorising war on Iraq.

The transatlantic divide is becoming starker and resentments are rising to the surface, says the BBC's diplomatic correspondent Barnaby Mason.


Very worrying health trends can be seen in Iraq, and it's certainly already in a dire situation, but a war will only make that worse



Ed Cairns
Oxfam


Aid agencies predict human disaster

The American Secretary of State Colin Powell said there were some nations who would like simply to turn away from the problem and pretend it did not exist.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Wednesday said France and Germany had been "problems" but added that they were "old Europe" and the balance of power was shifting away from them.

French Finance Minister Francis Mer retorted by saying: "This 'old Europe' has resilience, and is capable of bouncing back."

The UK remains the strongest ally of the US.

Its Foreign Minister Jack Straw is in Washington for meetings with Mr Powell and Vice-President Dick Cheney.

Spain and Italy also still support Washington, but they all have to take account of rising domestic opposition to war, our correspondent says.

Common approach

The meeting in Istanbul brings together foreign ministers from Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Syria in a bid to adopt a common approach to the crisis.


Regional leaders want their voices to be heard
"A military confrontation is the last thing we need in this region of the world," Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher said on arrival.

The BBC's Roger Hearing says there will be calls for Iraq to disarm and abide by UN resolutions, but almost certainly no direct appeal to Saddam Hussein to step aside as president.

He says the point of the meeting is not so much to influence the Americans or the Iraqis, but to show the people of the ministers' own countries that they are at least trying to prevent a highly unpopular war.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia are under pressure to allow the use of land and airspace by US forces should President Bush order an invasion of Iraq.
 
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Muthafuckas is pussies mayn. I don't support Bush or any politician for that matter, but so what if faggot ass FRANCE don't sign on?

France bitch asses can't even fight they OWN wars, who gives a fuck what those sissy ass frenchies think?

Who cares what that poor excuse for a country Russia says? Them muthafuckas have run they own country into the ground. The shit was bad in the Cold War days, and now it's about 100 times worse over there. Does anybody actually value their opinions on shit?

These lil hoe ass protester muthafuckas in the U.S. act like we didn't get the shit slapped out of us on 9/11, and they are already back to livin they insulated cushy ass fantasy lives, so they really don't understand that there WILL BE MORE ATTACKS ON US REGARDLESS.

Whether we jump into war OR NOT, we will get fucked up again, you can take that shit to the bank. So I say fuck it, get the muthafuckin war started, do what needs to be done and get the shit over with. Muthafuckas act like this shit aint INEVITABLE.

America is so fuckin feminized and pussified the shit is ridiculous. I aint a warmonger but I recognize when action needs to be taken. Look on your tv at all these lil protestin hoes, YOUR PROTESTS AINT GONNA STOP SHIT. Fuckin pansy asses mayn that don't understand the VALUE of the freedom they got, and that TIME and TIME again we have had to FIGHT to preserve that freedom because there is a whole bunch of muthafuckas that want to TAKE IT FROM US.

The day after 9/11 muthafuckas wanted heads on a platter, they wanted the whole middle east bombed to hell. But let a year and some change go by, let muthafuckas get back into they vapid, self-involved routines of life, and they easily forget what the fuck actually happened.

If I walked up to one of these protesters and jawed they bitch ass, are they gonna stand there and do nothing? Is that the type of bitches pacisfists are? Or will they swing back at me?

Before any pussies come at me whining about "America has done this and this, and G.W. has killed this and this, and what about...", save that pussy talk.

I KNOW America aint perfect or without fault. I KNOW our government is a corrupt capitalist pile of shit. This country is fucked up just like every other one.

But I aint perfect either, and if I get swung on, best believe I'm immediately in attack mode.
 
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I'm sure there will be a lot more then just me.

Explain your comments. Why is France "Faggot Ass?"

who gives a fuck what those sissy ass frenchies think?
Who cares what that poor excuse for a country Russia says?
What about Germany? China? And the majority of the world?

Why are protesters "lil hoe ass?" Dont they have a right to speak out?

How and why is "America so fuckin feminized and pussified?"
 
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Everybody has a "right" to speak out, I aint sayin they don't have that right.

France is only France today because of the U.S. If it were not for us they would still be licking the bottom of Germany's boots. Their opinion on war is meaningless.

China, Germany, and whoever else opposes the war has every right to their opinion. I aint saying that they can't have or voice their opinion, I just don't agree with it.

America is pussified beyond recognition. Every single thing done in this country is geared towards either getting pussy, or making the owners of the pussies happy. The notions of right and wrong come in second to pandering to pussy. Pussy is great and pleasing don't get me wrong, but it is not the standard by which all actions should be determined.

Watch ONE EPISODE of Dr. Phil, and tell me he is not pumping out blatant pussy vibes to anyone who is within a 100 mile radius of the tv set. They are programming women to make men feel guilty about being men.

Are men beyond reproach? Are we perfect? Nope. But we are slowly being programmed to not think, do, or say ANYTHING that a woman might find offensive for fear of being labeled a "chauvinist" or "woman-hater".

I know because I used to bite my tongue and do whatever my girl would say because I thought that if I made her happy, then I would be happy. When I woke up and started making MYSELF happy, all of the sudden she wasn't with it no more. All of the sudden I was "insensitive" to her feelings, and I was "selfish", and all that shit. All that happened is I took the shackles off, and refused to be controlled by the pussy any more.

Now that I aint controlled by pussy, when I look at my homeboys and my family, I can see that they remain whipped. Pussy = power, and now that women aint afraid to use it and flaunt it, it puts men in the position of having to cater to their whims to get it, and the result is the overall the mood of the country is more pussified.
 
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LMAO!!!!
Yo, I feel ya on the woman issue and america being upsest with pussy and all that, but maybe that should be a different thread! Were talking about war here, not pussy. You just came off a little too strong by insulting other countries becuase you dont agree with them.

You said "France is only France today because of the U.S." Ya, well so what? America is only America becuase of genocide. My point is just becuase of shit that happened in the past does not make their opinion on war meaningless.

If the majority of the world is against the war why should we go against them and kill?
 
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the only countries that have voiced opposition to going in to Iraq is Germany and France.

at the same time Great Brittian, Australia, and Italy is on board with or with out the UN

all the other countries are on the fence waiting for the 27th to make their decision. but the odds are that most likely they will also get on board
 
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Odds are we get everyone to hate us and we also give India the right to destroy Pakistan for the same reason we destroy Iraq.

Lol at some of the comments.

Cant believe some of the comments either.
 
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If the majority of the world is against the war why should we go against them and kill?
The "majority of the world" did not get planes smashed into their buildings, WE did. The "majority of the world" is not facing the same threats we are. The "majority of the world" is not against the war, certain countries are. And like Mc said, when that report comes out on the 27th, you will likely see alot more support for the war.

If I am in front of my house one day, and some nigga comes and sprays it up with a uzi and kills my moms, and then I go on an all out mission to find and smoke that nigga, do you REALLY THINK I CARE about what a muthafucka in ANOTHER STATE thinks about what I am doing? No. Fuck him and his opinion, I KNOW what happened, and I KNOW what I am going to do to rectify the situation.

Majority does not equal truth or correctness.
 
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The "majority of the world" did not get planes smashed into their buildings, WE did.
So Iraq is responsible for the those buildings? Man, american media has done there job on you! What ever happened to Bin Ladin? I thought he was responsible? The media has you and just about everyone else's attention focused on Iraq that we are forgeting the real problems.

The "majority of the world" is not facing the same threats we are.
Bullshit. The majority of the world is living in circumstances that our FAR worse then ours.

The "majority of the world" is not against the war, certain countries are. And like Mc said, when that report comes out on the 27th, you will likely see alot more support for the war.
No, MC is stating that the other countries will most likely be AGAINST the war, not for it.

If I am in front of my house one day, and some nigga comes and sprays it up with a uzi and kills my moms, and then I go on an all out mission to find and smoke that nigga, do you REALLY THINK I CARE about what a muthafucka in ANOTHER STATE thinks about what I am doing? No. Fuck him and his opinion, I KNOW what happened, and I KNOW what I am going to do to rectify the situation.
Maybe so, but what did Iraq do to you or any other american?

Majority does not equal truth or correctness.
Of course not.
 
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So Iraq is responsible for the those buildings? Man, american media has done there job on you!
No, they may not have carried that out directly, but they support those who did. They provide refuge for them and they supply funding for them.

If I'm sittin at home plottin gang hits and providing funds and guns so that the frontline cats can go kill people, does my indirect involvement with the murders render me innocent? No, guilt by association *is* applicable in CERTAIN circumstances.

What ever happened to Bin Ladin? I thought he was responsible? The media has you and just about everyone else's attention focused on Iraq that we are forgeting the real problems.
What are the real problems we need to be focused on?

Bullshit. The majority of the world is living in circumstances that our FAR worse then ours.
I'm not talking about living conditions. I've lived in India and Africa so I know both sides of the coin with respect to living conditions. But we are dealing with the threat of terrorism, smallpox, nukes, you name it. It's easy to take it all lightly when nothing is happening, but some serious shit is going to jump off over here, it is only a matter of time.

No, MC is stating that the other countries will most likely be AGAINST the war, not for it.
Are you sure? He said:

at the same time Great Brittian, Australia, and Italy is on board with or with out the UN

all the other countries are on the fence waiting for the 27th to make their decision. but the odds are that most likely they will also get on board
"On board" means on board with the U.S. decision to enter Iraq.

Maybe so, but what did Iraq do to you or any other american?
Don't kid yourself. If I set foot in Iraq an Iraqi soldier would shoot me on sight. I aint a Muslim nor will I pretend to be one therefore I am deserving of death. These attempts to sympathize with them is hilarious, because they are sitting back looking at all these protesters and laughing their asses off at the PUSSY MENTALITY we are showing.
 
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No, they may not have carried that out directly, but they support those who did. They provide refuge for them and they supply funding for them
If thats your reasoning for war then we should attack about a dozen other countries as well.

If I'm sittin at home plottin gang hits and providing funds and guns so that the frontline cats can go kill people, does my indirect involvement with the murders render me innocent? No, guilt by association *is* applicable in CERTAIN circumstances.
So your telling me Iraq invested money into the attacks? You got any evidence?

What are the real problems we need to be focused on?
How about the 9/11 attacks?

But we are dealing with the threat of terrorism, smallpox, nukes, you name it.
Your telling me other countries dont have the same problems?

It's easy to take it all lightly when nothing is happening, but some serious shit is going to jump off over here, it is only a matter of time.
You can thank our government for that.

On board" means on board with the U.S. decision to enter Iraq.
Whatever. It doesnt matter what MC was saying, its besides the point. However, I do disagree with him.

Don't kid yourself. If I set foot in Iraq an Iraqi soldier would shoot me on sight. I aint a Muslim nor will I pretend to be one therefore I am deserving of death. These attempts to sympathize with them is hilarious, because they are sitting back looking at all these protesters and laughing their asses off at the PUSSY MENTALITY we are showing.
So we should go to war and kill thousands of people? Why are protesters showing "Pussy mentality?" If anything the real pussy is the man sitting at home not saying shit. It takes a lot of balls to step out in the open and protest.
 
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No, they may not have carried that out directly, but they support those who did. They provide refuge for them and they supply funding for them.
An alliance between the secularist Ba’ath Party and al-Qaeda is highly improbable. Saddam Hussein has used extreme repression against Islamicists; Osama bin Laden considers Saddam Hussein an infidel.


The strongest "link" between Iraq and al-Qaeda is that attacking Iraq may increase support for al-Qaeda by fueling resentment against the US and exacerbating conditions, such as political instability, mass displacement, poverty and social breakdown, that give rise to political extremism, including acts of terrorism.
 
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If thats your reasoning for war then we should attack about a dozen other countries as well.
I didn't say it was a reason for war, I was responding to your statement that "Iraq is responsible for those buildings?"

So your telling me Iraq invested money into the attacks? You got any evidence?
I didn't say that either. Damn homie can't you read? I said guilt by association *is* applicable in certain situations.

How about the 9/11 attacks?
You think the government has NOT focused on 9/11? What rock have you been living under?

Your telling me other countries dont have the same problems?
Sure they do.

You can thank our government for that.
And the governments that our government has to deal with.

Whatever. It doesnt matter what MC was saying, its besides the point.
I see. It's pertinent that Germany and France oppose military action, but when Britain, Australia, Italy, and other countries are on board with the U.S., all of the sudden it's besides the point.

So we should go to war and kill thousands of people?
You act as if war is a first resort. Thousands of people have been killed here, there, and everywhere.

Why are protesters showing "Pussy mentality?"
Because they are ACTING as if getting socked in the jaw is not a reason to sock back. They are presenting themselves as some sort of moral authority, and projecting bullshit ideals with no substance in reality. In an idealistic world there would be no conflicts or fighting. In the real world there are situations which demand it. I live in the real world, not idealland.

If anything the real pussy is the man sitting at home not saying shit.
There aint shit to say. Fuck SAYING shit, actions speak louder than words.

It takes a lot of balls to step out in the open and protest.
No it doesn't. All it takes is a heaping amount of self-importance and self-righteousness.
 
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I didn't say that either. Damn homie can't you read? I said guilt by association *is* applicable in certain situations.
lol. So Iraq is "guilty by association?"

You think the government has NOT focused on 9/11? What rock have you been living under?
No. Not at all. What rock are you under? The media rock?

I see. It's pertinent that Germany and France oppose military action, but when Britain, Australia, Italy, and other countries are on board with the U.S., all of the sudden it's besides the point.
Funny how you left out the part of my quote that says, "I disagree with him." Most of those countries are and will NOT be supporting the war.

You act as if war is a first resort. Thousands of people have been killed here, there, and everywhere.
How am I acting as if war is the first resort?

Because they are ACTING as if getting socked in the jaw is not a reason to sock back. They are presenting themselves as some sort of moral authority, and projecting bullshit ideals with no substance in reality. In an idealistic world there would be no conflicts or fighting. In the real world there are situations which demand it. I live in the real world, not idealland.
We got socked in the Jaw? How and by who? Definately NOT by Iraq! How are they projecting bullshit ideas with no substance in reality? Have you been to any protests? Have you read any articles some of these protesters have published? Explain yourself.
There aint shit to say. Fuck SAYING shit, actions speak louder than words.
No, there is shit to say. Unless you want to sit back and let our government control our future without having a say in it. To me that is a pussy.
No it doesn't. All it takes is a heaping amount of self-importance and self-righteousness.
 
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Because they are ACTING as if getting socked in the jaw is not a reason to sock back.
You're right. Getting socked in the jaw is plenty reason to sock back. If somebody swings at me, Im smashin. But you're missing a big piece of the puzzle here...

You're supposed to sock back AT THE RIGHT PERSON.

And if the right person (the guy who actually socked you) ran like a hoe and you couldn't find him...that DOESN'T make it okay to punch some other guy cuz he looks like dude who socked you. Seem logical enough?